What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Zoupa]

What's a grift/grifter?

[Razgovory]

What's a grift/grifter?

A drifter with a tight grip.

[Barrister]

What's a grift/grifter?

Scam or swindle.

[Barrister]

The Lincoln Project ads are a kind of grift.

I don't think so.  I mean there is probably some level of profiting going on (using their own companies to purchase the ad slots), but it's mostly about keeping their own profiles up during a time when they can't work for any Republican candidates, so that they can in the future go back to working on campaigns.

[Admiral Yi]

I don't think so.  I mean there is probably some level of profiting going on (using their own companies to purchase the ad slots), but it's mostly about keeping their own profiles up during a time when they can't work for any Republican candidates, so that they can in the future go back to working on campaigns.

I don't mean a for profit grift, I mean a grift in the sense of distorting and bending the truth to make the sale.

[Barrister]

I don't think so.  I mean there is probably some level of profiting going on (using their own companies to purchase the ad slots), but it's mostly about keeping their own profiles up during a time when they can't work for any Republican candidates, so that they can in the future go back to working on campaigns.

I don't mean a for profit grift, I mean a grift in the sense of distorting and bending the truth to make the sale.

I wouldn't use that word in that sense.  Grifting is definitely about money.

[Sheilbh]

I don't think so.  I mean there is probably some level of profiting going on (using their own companies to purchase the ad slots), but it's mostly about keeping their own profiles up during a time when they can't work for any Republican candidates, so that they can in the future go back to working on campaigns.

I don't mean a for profit grift, I mean a grift in the sense of distorting and bending the truth to make the sale.

Yeah, it's a con - maybe.

[viper37]

I don't think so.  I mean there is probably some level of profiting going on (using their own companies to purchase the ad slots), but it's mostly about keeping their own profiles up during a time when they can't work for any Republican candidates, so that they can in the future go back to working on campaigns.

I don't mean a for profit grift, I mean a grift in the sense of distorting and bending the truth to make the sale.

isn't that the basis of marketing?  especially political marketing?
"Vote for us, in the past, we've cut your medicare coverage and we will do it again so we can lower the tax rates of the billionaires, give them generous grant and you count on us to keep doing it for another 4 years" might not be the best sales pitch for the Republicans, despite its honesty.

And honestly, do Trump supporters really care about facts?  Do they really care about the unbiased truth?

[FunkMonk]

Lincoln Project ads are kinda garbage but that's the point.

The ads put out by Republican Voters Against Trump are probably more effective at convincing some conservatives to not vote for Donald again. https://twitter.com/RVAT2020/status/1280486725165502464

[Razgovory]

The fact that Biden is bland and uninteresting may be enough to convince enough conservatives to stay home.  I suspect many of them would be fine with a do-nothing democrat in office.  They probably won't vote for him, but if they just stay home that's half the battle.

[grumbler]

Lincoln Project ads are kinda garbage but that's the point.

The ads put out by Republican Voters Against Trump are probably more effective at convincing some conservatives to not vote for Donald again. https://twitter.com/RVAT2020/status/1280486725165502464

Yeah, the Lincoln Project is trolling Trump personally.  Republican Voters Against Trump are fighting for the party against Trump.

Pitting Reagan against Trump would have worked better a decade ago.  I don't think Reagan's vision has the power it once did.

[Sheilbh]

Lincoln Project ads are kinda garbage but that's the point.

The ads put out by Republican Voters Against Trump are probably more effective at convincing some conservatives to not vote for Donald again. https://twitter.com/RVAT2020/status/1280486725165502464

Yeah, the Lincoln Project is trolling Trump personally.  Republican Voters Against Trump are fighting for the party against Trump.

Pitting Reagan against Trump would have worked better a decade ago.  I don't think Reagan's vision has the power it once did.

Also it might have relevance for some Republican voters - and I've no doubt it's relevant for the people involved. But that was 40 years ago, which I think limits it's appeal. There's a chunk of voters who that won't resonate with because it's not a time they remember or were alive in.

[Grey Fox]

What's a grift/grifter?

Members of the caucus of a conservative party.

[Eddie Teach]

Nah, some are honest cold-hearted bastards.

[The Minsky Moment]

Reading up on George, he was up for a few different positions in the Trump administration before he voluntarily pulled his name from consideration, and later became a vocal critic of Trump.  Doesn't sound like a grifter to me.

He was a very successful lawyer years before any of this political stuff, argued (successfully) the most significant securities case to go before the Supreme Court in the last 20 years.