What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[The Minsky Moment]

I'm not sure what you're trying to get me to say. I don't believe in punching first but I also don't believe in turning the other cheek. The Charlotteville volkdeutsch came prepared with weapons and body armor. I was totally fine when the counterprotesters started swinging back, especially since the police were unwilling or ineffective in controlling the marches.

I'm OK with that too, but from there to the March on Tucker Carlson I get lost.

[The Brain]

That call should be made by the law, not the mob.

What if the mob is in charge of the law?

Democracy may not be perfect, but I haven't found a better system.

[Razgovory]

Let's keep it contemporary.  How would you stop Nazis before they strike?

Put on black clothes and carry garbage can lids?

I'll take that as "No, I don't have a way".

[Razgovory]

I was really thinking more of the Nazi who shot up the Synagogue.  How would you stop the Nazis?  Stern letters?  Public debates?

Are you asking me how to stop a guy from shooting up a synagogue, or how to stop the Nazi party from rounding up and gassing Jews?

Let's keep it contemporary.  How would you stop Nazis before they strike?

That's the rub- until they strike, they're law-abiding citizens with the same rights as you and me.

For nearly 20 years we have been trying to prevent Muslim terrorists from launching terrorist attacks.  Now that's it's right-wingers doing the murders we suddenly lose our zeal of bending the constitution?

[Razgovory]

If people were looking for why moderates and centrists tolerated the rise of the Nazis I would submit your post.  This isn't just an off hand snarky comment,  This is a real reason why people tolerated the Nazis.  Ian Kershaw once stated that "The Road to Auschwitz was paved with indifference" and that indifference was bred by people like you making false equivalency arguments.

We have people who openly talk about committing genocide in this country, and as the events of the last few weeks have shown, will actually murder as many people as they can when they get tired of talking about it.  We have people who want to stop them, and finally we have people who equally hostile to both the murderous Nazis and those that try to stop them.

If people were looking for why moderates and centrists tolerated the rise of Stalin I would submit your post.  This isn't just an off hand snarky comment,  This is a real reason why people tolerated Stalin.  Ivan Kershaovich once stated that "The Road to the Gulags was paved with indifference" and that indifference was bred by people like you making false equivalency arguments.

We have people who openly talk about committing genocide in this country, and as the events of the last few weeks have shown, will actually murder as many people as they can when they get tired of talking about it.  We have people who want to stop them, and finally we have people who just want to promote violence and see countering right-wing violence as their excuse.  Stalin and Hitler started as vigilantes, and you want to promote vigilantism.

EDIT:  Sorry I responded to this before I realized it was suppose to be incoherent nonsense. 

[Syt]

Speaking of Nazis, the class of 2019 in Baraboo Wisconsin.





More, with Twitter links here - supposedly white supremacy shenanigans are par for the course at the school:

https://heavy.com/news/2018/11/baraboo-wi-high-school-class-pose-doing-nazi-salute/

[Eddie Teach]

"Bullying, immaturity, taking things as a joke" - male adolescence in a nutshell

[Admiral Yi]

I'll take that as "No, I don't have a way".

I'll take this as "I forgot what we were supposed to be talking about."

[viper37]

I was really thinking more of the Nazi who shot up the Synagogue.  How would you stop the Nazis?  Stern letters?  Public debates?

Are you asking me how to stop a guy from shooting up a synagogue, or how to stop the Nazi party from rounding up and gassing Jews?

Let's keep it contemporary.  How would you stop Nazis before they strike?

I'd have a permanent police squad on domestic terror/radicalization in my country. To target both left&right wing movement types.  Seperate from muslim terrorism as this is more international and requires more exchange with foreing countries' intelligence service, and it's more CSIS role than any police squad.

By police, I mean an integrated force.  Using my country as an example, I would have a squad made of officers/investigators from the RCMP (Federal police) and CSIS (Intelligence agency), Provincial police and big cities like Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver.  It worked to contain organized crime at some point, I think it would work there too.  Back then it was RCMP - Ontario Provincial Police, Quebec Provincial police and Montreal's police corps.  An all integrated unit.  It worked to stop the bikers' war and contain the violence.
From there, you keep track of these people.  Who they are, where they meet, whom they report too.  Then you plan long term infiltrations for the ones you think represent the biggest threat, and shorter term infiltrations for those with lesser threats to properly determine their radicalization potential. 

Some maybe more fluff than real threats, and quite often, it's the ones we hear less about that are dangerous.

You can't expect them to catch the lone wolf type, like the Pittsburgh shooter, and the one who opened fire in a Quebec mosque.  But they can contain other, bigger groups.  And at some point, they may get a break and arrest the top leaders.  Or arrest most of their grunts for shorter prison terms.  6-12 months may seem like nothing, but once they have a criminal record, they are on every police radar everywhere they go, and they'll be first suspect for any hate crime committed in their area, and quite often, the "nazi" leadership will have to serve most ties with them because they're a burden.

It worked in the 90s.  I don't see why it wouldn't work now.  But you really need specialized squads, limited in number to avoid any leaks, but highly competent officers with lots of information sharing from every police corps, without hassles.

[viper37]

For nearly 20 years we have been trying to prevent Muslim terrorists from launching terrorist attacks.  Now that's it's right-wingers doing the murders we suddenly lose our zeal of bending the constitution?

the Constitution was bended for foreigners, no?  Deciding that foreigners had no rights as ennemy combattants, not suspending rights of American citizens in the US, unless I am mistaken?

[The Minsky Moment]

Viper you are mistaken.  The FISA surveillance program targeted calls that included calls with a US citizen participant. US citizens were also detained as "illegal combatants" and denied habeas corpus.  Trump has gone on record supporting this policy even though it was rejected by the Supreme Court.

[Razgovory]

For nearly 20 years we have been trying to prevent Muslim terrorists from launching terrorist attacks.  Now that's it's right-wingers doing the murders we suddenly lose our zeal of bending the constitution?

the Constitution was bended for foreigners, no?  Deciding that foreigners had no rights as ennemy combattants, not suspending rights of American citizens in the US, unless I am mistaken?

Yes.  You are mistaken.  Try again.

[Razgovory]

I'll take that as "No, I don't have a way".

I'll take this as "I forgot what we were supposed to be talking about."

I took your post as Unresponsive.  If you do have a way, I'd like to hear it.

[Admiral Yi]

I took your post as Unresponsive.  If you do have a way, I'd like to hear it.

I took your post as changing the subject.

[Razgovory]

I took your post as Unresponsive.  If you do have a way, I'd like to hear it.

I took your post as changing the subject.

You have taken it as a question.  It had a question mark.  You answered with another question.  If you'd like to answer my question you can go ahead.  "How would you stop Nazis before they strike?"