Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[OttoVonBismarck]

Just to add to the shit pile that is UK politics right now: there are claims going around that the Scottish parliament and the Welsh assembly might have a veto over Brexit legislation. If true, this could trigger an even more severe constitutional crisis.

Due to Parliamentary supremacy they really don't, Westminster may "allow" them to have one, though. One of the problems for Britain keeping Scotland (and also why people not living London are sometimes exasperate with Westminster) is the lack of real permanent power anything other than the Parliament in Westminster has. In Germany or America the states are immutable facts, and the Federal governments can no more remove them they can could the Sun.

[Sheilbh]

Incidentally actual turnout of 18-24 year olds was higher, though still only 36%

Also the Bregret meme seems to be bollocks. Polling of voters says only 1% of Leave voters are unhappy, 92% are happy. I imagine every one of that one percent will have been interviewed by the Guardian and Indy by now.

[Zanza]

Just to add to the shit pile that is UK politics right now: there are claims going around that the Scottish parliament and the Welsh assembly might have a veto over Brexit legislation. If true, this could trigger an even more severe constitutional crisis.

Due to Parliamentary supremacy they really don't, Westminster may "allow" them to have one, though. One of the problems for Britain keeping Scotland (and also why people not living London are sometimes exasperate with Westminster) is the lack of real permanent power anything other than the Parliament in Westminster has. In Germany or America the states are immutable facts, and the Federal governments can no more remove them they can could the Sun.

The German constitution actually has a procedure to merge or split states and that is one of the very few things where our constitution necessitates a referendum. Berlin and Brandenburg were meant to merge in the 1990s, but the people of Brandenburg rejected this.

[Sheilbh]

Cracking resignation letter by Chris Bryant:

At this point, given Corbyn's stubbornness and the Corbyn team's determination to hold on, I really do wonder if the Labour Party might split?

[OttoVonBismarck]

America can actually merge or split states as well, but it's not really happened more than once (Virginia split off West Virginia.) North and South Carolina split, but it was in the colonial era.

[Agelastus]

America can actually merge or split states as well, but it's not really happened more than once (Virginia split off West Virginia.) North and South Carolina split, but it was in the colonial era.

Doesn't Texas have the right to split itself, or something similar?

[OttoVonBismarck]

America can actually merge or split states as well, but it's not really happened more than once (Virginia split off West Virginia.) North and South Carolina split, but it was in the colonial era.

Doesn't Texas have the right to split itself, or something similar?

Perhaps, it's never been rigorously tested. Under the ordinary process, two states could merge or a state could split as long as the state legislature(s) and congress approved of the move. The legislation admitting the Republic of Texas into the United States said that Texas could sub-divide itself in up to five states. "As long as it met the requirements of the Federal constitution." Some have read that to mean Texas's position is essentially no different from any other State--it could split, but it'd require another vote in congress. Others view the 1845 resolution as tantamount to a "pre-approval" so that it would only require the Texas legislature to enact it.

Even if that were the case, since Congress is not bound by previous acts of Congress, if it was ever felt this might happen undesirably the Congress could just pass legislation specifically making it known that Texas doesn't have pre-approval and would have to go through the same process as any other state to split up.

[garbon]

At this point, given Corbyn's stubbornness and the Corbyn team's determination to hold on, I really do wonder if the Labour Party might split?

Since he was first elected, he's been a stubborn git. Principles before Party?

[Sheilbh]

Thing that pisses me off is it's not even principles. It's his pride and his purity that matters, that he can say to himself he never compromised and never shared a stage with Cameron

Edit: See, for example, his response:

He's from the hard-left. For them control of a much reduced Labour party is a bigger victory than anything

[garbon]

As I say it's a revolution at the minute. Absolute vacuum of power into which, with some panache, steps Nicola Sturgeon

I would like Nicola if she wasn't always plotting the demise of the UK.

[garbon]

Is democratic election always such a buzzword in the UK? Labour keeps throwing that around.

[Agelastus]

As I say it's a revolution at the minute. Absolute vacuum of power into which, with some panache, steps Nicola Sturgeon

I would like Nicola if she wasn't always plotting the demise of the UK.

Strangely enough, I agree with you here; she's certainly a different kettle-of-fish in my mind to Salmond.

[mongers]

Incidentally actual turnout of 18-24 year olds was higher, though still only 36%

Also the Bregret meme seems to be bollocks. Polling of voters says only 1% of Leave voters are unhappy, 92% are happy. I imagine every one of that one percent will have been interviewed by the Guardian and Indy by now.

Shelf, thanks for tracking that figure down, not doomsday bad, but still dreadful.

Maybe reality tv and social media consumption has blinded many to the wider world they live in?   

[Admiral Yi]

One thing that's interesting to me about that Corbin note is he seems to be more or less conceding that his conception of Labour is not as a governing party but rather an advocate for "his people."  Which I suppose is something like peaceniks living on the dole.

[OttoVonBismarck]

Corbyn reminds me of a British Sanders, and in a bad way.