Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Sheilbh]

I've seen that apparently youth turnout was around 25-30%. If true they've no right to moan about the old people forcing them out 

[The Larch]

In more frivolous news, apparently Real Madrid are reconsidering the big fat contract they were going to offer Bale to stay in Madrid until 2020 in case he ends up taking a non-EU player spot.

[Richard Hakluyt]

Any news from the Leave camp on how to proceed? Or are they leaving it for the government to deal with?

Is there even a single Leave camp? Are Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage on speaking terms?

A pertinent question.

There isn't and I think that is going to add to our difficulties. I don't accept that Farage or Boris are competent to negotiate for us. I think we will have to have a General election.

[Sheilbh]

Any news from the Leave camp on how to proceed? Or are they leaving it for the government to deal with?

Is there even a single Leave camp? Are Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage on speaking terms?

There isn't a leave camp. The official campaign included some Labour, Johnson, Give and UKIP's only MP.

Farage W's in a different camp and isn't even on speaking terms with his MP.

[Josquius]

So your constitutional crisis is not just that you have a severely limited freedom of action for the government and parliament but also that all of a sudden your regions claim to have a say in foreign policy? What is this nonsense?

The Kingdom of Scotland, the Principality of Wales and the remnant portion of the Kingdom of Ireland are hardly regions. Scotland in particular needs to be in the position almost of a co-negotiator given the political situation.

London, however...that's really stretching it.

The power centre of the UK which is clearly at odds with the majority opinion of the UK shouldn't have a say?

It's the power centre of the uk  because it's where all our educated people from around the country have to live.

I wonder what the traditional Londoner vote was like

[Richard Hakluyt]

I've seen that apparently youth turnout was around 25-30%. If true they've no right to moan about the old people forcing them out 

That is so fucking pitiful 

Are you sure of the figure?

[mongers]

I've seen that apparently youth turnout was around 25-30%. If true they've no right to moan about the old people forcing them out 

Really? , that's very dispiriting. 

As it, is the overall turnout of around 73% has been the one bright spot in the results; I feared voting in the 50s, so having that high figure conveys an unarguable legitimacy to the result.

[OttoVonBismarck]

Listening to BBC World Service earlier they interviewed an 18 year old who voted for the first time in this election. She said that she blamed Remain for not getting more young people to vote, and also said that "while I believe in one person one vote, I think it is unfair that youth turnout was so low and somehow our votes should have counted for more." The reporter was nice about it but was kind of like "how would that work?" 

Edit: She also said that most of her peers didn't vote because they assumed Remain would win, which also "made the result unfair."

[Zanza]

A pertinent question.

There isn't and I think that is going to add to our difficulties. I don't accept that Farage or Boris are competent to negotiate for us. I think we will have to have a General election.

Let's say Theresa May wins a majority for the Tories in a general election. She would have to implement a major policy that she is personally not convinced of. Hardly ideal.
Or let's say you have another hung parliament like in 2010 with UKIP winning the north of England, Labour being reduced to a mid-sized party, the Tories not winning a majority and SNP ruling Scotland. You would have a hard time to even form a government then. Tories plus UKIP in a coalition? Maybe led by a pro-Remain Tory? Fun times. 

[Richard Hakluyt]

Listening to BBC World Service earlier they interviewed an 18 year old who voted for the first time in this election. She said that she blamed Remain for not getting more young people to vote, and also said that "while I believe in one person one vote, I think it is unfair that youth turnout was so low and somehow our votes should have counted for more." The reporter was nice about it but was kind of like "how would that work?" 

Edit: She also said that most of her peers didn't vote because they assumed Remain would win, which also "made the result unfair."

She's not that girl who thought Barry O'Bama is our prime minister is she?

[Crazy_Ivan80]

I've seen that apparently youth turnout was around 25-30%. If true they've no right to moan about the old people forcing them out 

That is so fucking pitiful 

Are you sure of the figure?

probably couldn't be bothered to stop abusing the smartphones for half an hour

[Caliga]

They were too busy Noping on Tinder.

[Richard Hakluyt]

A pertinent question.

There isn't and I think that is going to add to our difficulties. I don't accept that Farage or Boris are competent to negotiate for us. I think we will have to have a General election.

Let's say Theresa May wins a majority for the Tories in a general election. She would have to implement a major policy that she is personally not convinced of. Hardly ideal.
Or let's say you have another hung parliament like in 2010 with UKIP winning the north of England, Labour being reduced to a mid-sized party, the Tories not winning a majority and SNP ruling Scotland. You would have a hard time to even form a government then. Tories plus UKIP in a coalition? Maybe led by a pro-Remain Tory? Fun times. 

I'm reminded of General Ducrot's immortal comment just prior to the battle of Sedan :

"Nous sommes dans un pot de chambre, et nous y serons emmerdé"

[Sheilbh]

I've seen that apparently youth turnout was around 25-30%. If true they've no right to moan about the old people forcing them out 

That is so fucking pitiful 

Are you sure of the figure?

No. Just seen it on Twitter so treat with caution.

Let's say Theresa May wins a majority for the Tories in a general election. She would have to implement a major policy that she is personally not convinced of. Hardly ideal.

No. But everyone was quite surprised that May was a Remainer as she had previously said we should Leave. Her position was actually we should stay in the EU but leave the ECHR. The only plausible reason I've seen put forward for that is that while she did generally want to leave she was worried about the impact on Scotland so would remain for that but leave what bits of European institutions/law she could. Of course that ignores that the ECHR is absolutely essential for the Good Friday Agreement.

Or let's say you have another hung parliament like in 2010 with UKIP winning the north of England, Labour being reduced to a mid-sized party, the Tories not winning a majority and SNP ruling Scotland. You would have a hard time to even form a government then. Tories plus UKIP in a coalition? Maybe led by a pro-Remain Tory? Fun times. 

Quite.

So for all the European and Corbynite requests that Article 50 is activated immediately....It may take some time

I doubt I'll live to see anything as seismic as this in UK politics again.

[LaCroix]

Edit: She also said that most of her peers didn't vote because they assumed Remain would win, which also "made the result unfair."

it's of course silly to call it unfair, but it further evidences that more people likely supported remain than exit. this means nothing for britain, but it could mean something for the other major countries that some think might hold their own referendums. with those, people are less likely to complacently sit back, not vote, and instead assume remain wins