Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Richard Hakluyt]

She has grit and determination; but unfortunately beyond that her political skills are very limited.

I'm quite pleased with the EU's latest moves. If there is to be no-deal it will place the blame squarely on the UK. It also puts everything back on the table after May's meaningful vote #3 is lost by the government; whilst also imposing tight time constraints. I think remainer MPs are going to have a very busy weekend plotting.

Guardian article which covers the latest state of play quite well :

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/21/mays-appeal-falls-flat-as-eu-seizes-control-of-brexit-date

[Tamas]

So, another two weeks of dithering and fucking around?

Yes. News can probably be ignored until the 11th.

[Tamas]

Listening to BBC commentators I sense a feeling of relief, over the delay. Which is extremely foolish.

[The Larch]

She has grit and determination; but unfortunately beyond that her political skills are very limited.

I'm quite pleased with the EU's latest moves. If there is to be no-deal it will place the blame squarely on the UK. It also puts everything back on the table after May's meaningful vote #3 is lost by the government; whilst also imposing tight time constraints. I think remainer MPs are going to have a very busy weekend plotting.

Guardian article which covers the latest state of play quite well :

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/21/mays-appeal-falls-flat-as-eu-seizes-control-of-brexit-date

I'm also happy that the EU showed some leniency, but not a blank cheque. I really hope that, whatever the outcome, there's no bad blood between the UK and the EU after all this goes down.

[garbon]

She has grit and determination; but unfortunately beyond that her political skills are very limited.

I'm quite pleased with the EU's latest moves. If there is to be no-deal it will place the blame squarely on the UK. It also puts everything back on the table after May's meaningful vote #3 is lost by the government; whilst also imposing tight time constraints. I think remainer MPs are going to have a very busy weekend plotting.

Guardian article which covers the latest state of play quite well :

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/21/mays-appeal-falls-flat-as-eu-seizes-control-of-brexit-date

I'm also happy that the EU showed some leniency, but not a blank cheque. I really hope that, whatever the outcome, there's no bad blood between the UK and the EU after all this goes down.

Unfortunately, I think that hope is unrealistic.

[Syt]

Yes, this was already posted yesterday 

[Duque de Bragança]

Does it need a poll? 

[Tamas]

Some have made the point that main goal with last night's EU decision seems to be making sure blame for no deal can't be pushed on the EU. For which I can hardly blame them.

[The Larch]

She has grit and determination; but unfortunately beyond that her political skills are very limited.

I'm quite pleased with the EU's latest moves. If there is to be no-deal it will place the blame squarely on the UK. It also puts everything back on the table after May's meaningful vote #3 is lost by the government; whilst also imposing tight time constraints. I think remainer MPs are going to have a very busy weekend plotting.

Guardian article which covers the latest state of play quite well :

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/21/mays-appeal-falls-flat-as-eu-seizes-control-of-brexit-date

I'm also happy that the EU showed some leniency, but not a blank cheque. I really hope that, whatever the outcome, there's no bad blood between the UK and the EU after all this goes down.

Unfortunately, I think that hope is unrealistic.

If it's from the part of Hard Brexiteers, I don't think they really liked the EU to begin with. 

What I would want to avoid is, for instance, a feeling amongst the British general public, or at least the educated part of it (ie, not tabloid readers  ) that the EU was unreasonable, or too stiff, or unwilling to compromise. A "we were forced out" feeling, something that could feed a British version of the "stab in the back" myth in this regard.

[The Brain]

Yes, BUT you shouldn't bow to retardism too much. It's rarely a good idea in the long run.

[dps]

As for tanking the economy to suit their ideological beliefs, well they done that too. And with record employment & low inflation, now is the perfect time to do this.

Record employment and low inflation doesn't sound like they've tanked the economy.

[Monoriu]

I am all for remaining.  But sometimes I do wonder.  Switzerland and Norway didn't join the EU, and they seem to be doing perfectly fine.  Is life outside EU really that disastrous?  What is the counter-argument to that?

[Josquius]

The counter argument is they don't want to be like Switzerland or Norway. They pretended they did before the referendum to draw in moderates but then they decided that wasnt good enough and completely dropped all consideration of it.

As for tanking the economy to suit their ideological beliefs, well they done that too. And with record employment & low inflation, now is the perfect time to do this.

Record employment and low inflation doesn't sound like they've tanked the economy.

The record employment thing is an obvious lie.
Inflation has been rising at its quickest rate since the financial crisis. It has more than doubled since 2016

[The Larch]

I am all for remaining.  But sometimes I do wonder.  Switzerland and Norway didn't join the EU, and they seem to be doing perfectly fine.  Is life outside EU really that disastrous?  What is the counter-argument to that?

Both Switzerland and Norway, as part of the EEA (Norway) and EFTA (Switzerland), participate in the common market, think of them as EU lite, not really fully out of it. They also have to accept EU regulations and contribute to the EU budget. The UK wants to leave that as well in order of, mainly, restricting freedom of movement for people, which is an intrinsic part of it.

[Monoriu]

So the EU agrees to extend the deadline to 12 April.  Does the Commons need to approve that too?  What if they reject it?