Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[grumbler]

I have heard that some people signing the petition are not actually UK citizens, and are actually eastern Europeans working in the UK.

I have heard that some people posting in this thread are not actually UK citizens, and are actually Americans working in the US.

[Tamas]

UK residents are allowed to sign in fact you can indicate whether you're a citizen or a resident, Alfred Dorsey Guller.

Sounds like I heard correctly then. 

If that's a concern this one will give you a stroke: residents can also vote in local elections.

[garbon]

UK residents are allowed to sign in fact you can indicate whether you're a citizen or a resident, Alfred Dorsey Guller.

Sounds like I heard correctly then. 

If that's a concern this one will give you a stroke: residents can also vote in local elections.

Well not all residents.

[Tamas]

EU summit is ongoing, so far both Macron and the Lithuanian PM suggested there are 3 options remaining for the UK:

1. Withdrawal Agreement on table plus short extension to implement it
2. Revoke A50
3. Disorderly exit

For now at least they refuse to entertain any other possibilities.

[Threviel]

Good man that Macron. Since the UK is unreliable right now the way forward is to force them. Good for both unions with closure on the uncertainty, since the UK seems unable to deliver it on its own.

Edit: Me fail english, that's unpossible!

[Tamas]

Good man that Macron. Since the UK is inreliable right now the way forward is to force them. Good for both unions with closure on the uncertainty, since the UK seems unable to deliver it on its own.

I sadly agree. It is high time somebody takes charge.

[viper37]

UK residents are allowed to sign in fact you can indicate whether you're a citizen or a resident, Alfred Dorsey Guller.

Sounds like I heard correctly then. 

If that's a concern this one will give you a stroke: residents can also vote in local elections.

residents from other EU nations only, I think.
If Brexit comes to pass, you won't be allowed to vote in local elections, I guess, just like Garbon.

[Syt]

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-military-steps-up-preparations-in-case-of-no-deal-11671941

Brexit: Military steps up no-deal planning from Whitehall bunker

Operation Redfold will direct some 3,500 military personnel who have been put on standby for a no-deal scenario.

The armed forces have activated a team in a nuclear-proof bunker under the Ministry of Defence as the government prepares next Monday to enter "very high readiness mode" for a no-deal Brexit, Sky News can reveal.

Control of overall planning for the impact of the UK leaving the European Union without a withdrawal agreement next week shifts from the Cabinet Office to the government's emergency committee Cobra.

There will be near 24-hour manning of critical departments most at risk from Brexit disruption.

Teams in situ in the Cabinet Office and the departments for health, transport and defence will be primed to divert resources or deploy manpower where required, a government insider told Sky News.

The military's crisis management operation - dubbed Operation Redfold - was mobilised at the beginning of this week.

It will direct some 3,500 military personnel who have been put on standby to help the government if required in the event of disruption following a no-deal departure from the EU.

Troops from Monday will ready to be deployed at a day's notice as the government lays the groundwork for a possible no-deal exit at the end of next week.

The Redfold mission is the military dimension of the cross-Whitehall no-deal contingency preparations, called Operation Yellowhammer.

The armed forces could be used to help transport food, fuel and other goods into and around the country. A 200-strong team of military personnel is ready to drive fuel tankers to petrol stations if required.

Military bases could also be used to park lorries and other vehicles backed up at ports if there are delays with customs checks at the borders.

The nuclear-proof bunker, called Pindar, is deep underground, beneath the MoD's main building in Whitehall. It is the facility used by the armed forces at a time of war or national emergency.

[The Brain]

How can it be an emergency when no deal Brexit has been the default position for years?

[Josquius]

I am worried about the apparent detachment from reality by large number of MPs though. Apparently a "cross party consensus" is building over implementing a Norway++ system where we stay in the single market and we get a super special customs union with the EU.

1. That could be negotiated while under the currently proposed withdrawal agreement. They totally not understand what the present trouble is about.

2. Do they seriously think the EU will agree to restart 2 years worth of negotiations in literally the last moment, if by some miracle they manage to scrape together a tight majority for a single motion opposed by the government?

It wouldn't take much negotiation to agree to one of the EU's original proposals.
Though no doubt it would be very annoying to go "You know that super special weird and shitty deal we just spend years negotiating? Yeah...no. We'll just have the original offer afterall"

[Tamas]

I am worried about the apparent detachment from reality by large number of MPs though. Apparently a "cross party consensus" is building over implementing a Norway++ system where we stay in the single market and we get a super special customs union with the EU.

1. That could be negotiated while under the currently proposed withdrawal agreement. They totally not understand what the present trouble is about.

2. Do they seriously think the EU will agree to restart 2 years worth of negotiations in literally the last moment, if by some miracle they manage to scrape together a tight majority for a single motion opposed by the government?

It wouldn't take much negotiation to agree to one of the EU's original proposals.
Though no doubt it would be very annoying to go "You know that super special weird and shitty deal we just spend years negotiating? Yeah...no. We'll just have the original offer afterall"

There is no original offer. They are talking about trade relations. The Withdrawal Agreement is a temporary construct until we figure the trade relations out.

[Iormlund]

Yeah. It's worrying how many people see the WA as the last step in Brexit. It is only the prelude to actual trade negotiations. Norway will be as much on the table in two weeks as it is now.

[PJL]

Looks like the deal is up for Remainers. It's going to be no deal or May's deal. There is no way May will revoke A50, as it means she'll be out of a job. Hell, even if MV3 goes through, she's out of a job. That's why May was so haughty last night, she doesn't care about the deal anymore, she wants no deal. My guess she will go through the motions next week, MV3 will fail and then blame the MPs for not voting her deal through. Loyalists will tow her line. That also means she has called the EU's bluff on the March 29th deadline. She now has a very strong hand aganst both Parliament AND the EU.

So no deal is the most likely, as it's unlikely the Tories will oust her during a crisis, even if's a manufactured one they brought on about. The caveat to that, of course, is if there are enough hardcore Tory remainers to defect to TIG in order to force a VOC on the govt to bring it down. But other than one or two defecting, I can't see there being enough to bring it down. And then again, would they want to during a crisis.

As for tanking the economy to suit their ideological beliefs, well they done that too. And with record employment & low inflation, now is the perfect time to do this.

[Zanza]

The EU apparently will offer 7th May as new Brexit date unless the UK commits to participate in the European parliament elections end of May by 11th April.

[Zanza]

She now has a very strong hand aganst both Parliament AND the EU.

Strong hand against parliament and EU? Parliament will again shit all over her proposed deal in MV3 and the EU will give her a fig leaf so they cannot be blamed for hard Brexit right now. That shows their goodwill towards Britain and that's it then.