Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

Started by Josquius, February 20, 2016, 07:46:34 AM

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How would you vote on Britain remaining in the EU?

British- Remain
12 (12%)
British - Leave
7 (7%)
Other European - Remain
21 (21%)
Other European - Leave
6 (6%)
ROTW - Remain
34 (34%)
ROTW - Leave
20 (20%)

Total Members Voted: 98

PJL

Quote from: Zanza on March 21, 2019, 02:45:58 PM
The EU apparently will offer 7th May as new Brexit date unless the UK commits to participate in the European parliament elections end of May by 11th April.

Moving the deadline doesn't matter anymore. MV3 is just a box-ticking exercise for May. If I were an MP, I would vote for it now, in the national & political interest, as it would hurt the Tories more than anyone else. No deal would do the reverse.

PJL

Quote from: Zanza on March 21, 2019, 02:47:45 PM
Quote from: PJL on March 21, 2019, 02:42:56 PM
She now has a very strong hand aganst both Parliament AND the EU.
:huh: Strong hand against parliament and EU? Parliament will again shit all over her proposed deal in MV3 and the EU will give her a fig leaf so they cannot be blamed for hard Brexit right now. That shows their goodwill towards Britain and that's it then.

Exactly, May doesn't care about the deal anymore, since she'll be out of a job if it goes through. The deadline is merely niceties on the EU side to make them look good.

Threviel

Well, I don't think the EU can bluff. If the deadline is met and no deal is in place the UK is out and there is not one thing the EU can do about that.

Tamas

QuoteSources have dismissed Theresa May's plea for more time to deliver a form of Brexit she and parliament can live with as "90 minutes of nothing". My colleagues, Daniel Boffey, Heather Stewart and Jennifer Rankin, report that, according to a source, the prime minister "dismally" failed to offer any answers as to what she would do if the deal was blocked by MPs again

One aide is quoted as saying:

She didn't even give clarity if she is organising a vote. Asked three times what she would do if she lost the vote, she couldn't say. It was awful. Dreadful. Evasive even by her standards.

When leaders asked May what she was going to do if her deal was voted down, an official added that the prime minister replied that she was following her 'Plan A' of getting it through.

It was then the EU decided that "she didn't have a plan so they needed to come up with one for her", the source added

Josquius

Another day, another attack.

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/17518776.lloyd-russell-moyle-attacked-in-brighton-over-brexit/
QuoteThe Brighton Kemptown MP said: "We were leafleting for the People's Vote.

"This gentleman came out of Morrisons and said 'why the hell are you doing this, you're trying to deny the will of the people.

"He got very agitated and lunged for me.

"He was clearly angry and probably a bit disturbed.

"It sums up what Brexit is all about.

"Nasty, vengeful and without any logical arguments."
I must laugh at the awesome way of putting it.
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PJL

I expect May to reject it. Her plan will be to try one more time with MV3, then to ask the EU for an extension if the vote is accepted. Otherwise, she will go to no deal at the end of next week.

mongers

Quote from: Tamas on March 21, 2019, 05:00:37 PM
QuoteSources have dismissed Theresa May's plea for more time to deliver a form of Brexit she and parliament can live with as "90 minutes of nothing". My colleagues, Daniel Boffey, Heather Stewart and Jennifer Rankin, report that, according to a source, the prime minister "dismally" failed to offer any answers as to what she would do if the deal was blocked by MPs again

One aide is quoted as saying:

She didn't even give clarity if she is organising a vote. Asked three times what she would do if she lost the vote, she couldn't say. It was awful. Dreadful. Evasive even by her standards.

When leaders asked May what she was going to do if her deal was voted down, an official added that the prime minister replied that she was following her 'Plan A' of getting it through.

It was then the EU decided that "she didn't have a plan so they needed to come up with one for her", the source added

She's like Stalin on the 22nd June.
"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

garbon

So the EU realized it had played its hand too firmly?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2019/mar/21/brexit-latest-news-eu-summit-article-50-extension-theresa-may-appeal-to-nation-backfires-as-mps-accuse-her-of-stoking-hate-politics-live

QuoteThe European Council agrees to an extension until 22 May 2019, provided the withdrawal agreement is approved by the House of Commons next week. If the withdrawal agreement is not approved by the House of Commons next week, the European Council agrees to an extension until 12 April 2019 and expects the United Kingdom to indicate a way forward before this date for consideration by the European Council.

The European Council reiterates that there can be no opening of the withdrawal agreement that was agreed between the [European] Union and the United Kingdom in November 2018. Any unilateral commitment, statement or other act should be compatible with the letter and the spirit of the withdrawal agreement.

The European Council calls for work to be continued on preparedness and contingency at all levels for the consequences of the United Kingdom's withdrawal, taking into account all possible outcomes.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Admiral Yi

Quote from: garbon on March 21, 2019, 06:07:45 PM
So the EU realized it had played its hand too firmly?

How so?  I read that as a massively hardass statement.  Vote yes to the deal on the table within a week or fuck off.

garbon

Because they have now added if it was not approved then there is an extension to the 12th,during which time they expect the UK to show a way forward..

Yesterday's stance had been approve or crash out
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

mongers

For those who haven't seen it:

Quote

Text of EU summit agreement on Brexit

1. The European Council takes note of the letter of Prime Minister Theresa May of 20 March 2019.

2. In response, the European Council approves the Instrument relating to the Withdrawal Agreement and the Joint Statement supplementing the Political Declaration agreed between the European Commission and the government of the United Kingdom in Strasbourg on 11 March 2019.

3. The European Council agrees to an extension until 22 May 2019, provided the Withdrawal Agreement is approved by the House of Commons next week. If the Withdrawal Agreement is not approved by the House of Commons next week, the European Council agrees to an extension until 12 April 2019 and expects the United Kingdom to indicate a way forward before this date for consideration by the European Council.

4. The European Council reiterates that there can be no opening of the Withdrawal Agreement that was agreed between the Union and the United Kingdom in November 2018. Any unilateral commitment, statement or other act should be compatible with the letter and the spirit of the Withdrawal Agreement.

5. The European Council calls for work to be continued on preparedness and contingency at all levels for the consequences of the United Kingdom's withdrawal, taking into account all possible outcomes.

6. The European Council will remain seized of the matter.

"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

Admiral Yi

At least Grab On and myself have seen it.  :P

HisMajestyBOB

So, another two weeks of dithering and fucking around?
Three lovely Prada points for HoI2 help

Richard Hakluyt

Quote from: mongers on March 21, 2019, 05:15:58 PM
Quote from: Tamas on March 21, 2019, 05:00:37 PM
QuoteSources have dismissed Theresa May's plea for more time to deliver a form of Brexit she and parliament can live with as "90 minutes of nothing". My colleagues, Daniel Boffey, Heather Stewart and Jennifer Rankin, report that, according to a source, the prime minister "dismally" failed to offer any answers as to what she would do if the deal was blocked by MPs again

One aide is quoted as saying:

She didn't even give clarity if she is organising a vote. Asked three times what she would do if she lost the vote, she couldn't say. It was awful. Dreadful. Evasive even by her standards.

When leaders asked May what she was going to do if her deal was voted down, an official added that the prime minister replied that she was following her 'Plan A' of getting it through.

It was then the EU decided that "she didn't have a plan so they needed to come up with one for her", the source added

She's like Stalin on the 22nd June.

She even gave a 90-minute content-free speech to the European leaders  :P

Though a proper demagogue would have spoken for at least 3 hours, can't even get that right.

Monoriu

Giving a 90-minute content-free speech takes some skill and guts :ph34r: