Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

Started by Josquius, February 20, 2016, 07:46:34 AM

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How would you vote on Britain remaining in the EU?

British- Remain
12 (12%)
British - Leave
7 (7%)
Other European - Remain
21 (21%)
Other European - Leave
6 (6%)
ROTW - Remain
34 (34%)
ROTW - Leave
20 (20%)

Total Members Voted: 98

crazy canuck

Quote from: Grey Fox on Today at 10:56:38 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on Today at 08:18:07 AMAnd right on cue, we get the bromide of the slippery slope. Well done.

 :hmm:

What's the idiom bromide means here? I googled it but it only raised more questions.

I am not sure if this is a dictionary definition, but it is often used as a term to describe an old trite justification that doesn't really stand up to scrutiny.  But repeat it enough times and people start to believe it.

Slippery slope arguments are one of the best examples.

"I don't trust doctors" is a specific example here. 

crazy canuck

Quote from: Tamas on Today at 11:48:32 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on Today at 11:37:58 AM
Quote from: garbon on Today at 10:02:01 AMYou appear to have much more faith in the accuracy of the medical profession and NHS than I do.
Yeah - I fairly sympathise with Jason Okundaye's take: "my position on assisted dying is I agree with it but I don't agree with this country doing it".

 :wacko:

You just can't have a reasoned debate when someone is employing that kind of "logic".

garbon

Quote from: crazy canuck on Today at 12:11:39 PM
Quote from: Tamas on Today at 11:48:32 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on Today at 11:37:58 AM
Quote from: garbon on Today at 10:02:01 AMYou appear to have much more faith in the accuracy of the medical profession and NHS than I do.
Yeah - I fairly sympathise with Jason Okundaye's take: "my position on assisted dying is I agree with it but I don't agree with this country doing it".

 :wacko:

You just can't have a reasoned debate when someone is employing that kind of "logic".

Nor can you have a conversation when you're so quick to dismiss people you don't even consider their experiences.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

crazy canuck

Quote from: garbon on Today at 12:14:17 PMNor can you have a conversation when you're so quick to dismiss people you don't even consider their experiences.

First, your experiences with getting treated for ailments does not in any way equip you to make any judgments about the ability of doctors to deal with issues related to MAID.

Second, if you want to talk about more relevant experience, I have seen a close family member in palliative care living in agony, dosed on pain killing drugs which didn't really work, for months. Until mercifully someone likely gave a bit too much pain killer and the pain came to an end.

That all happened years before the Supreme Court of Canada required the Federal government to bring in MAID legislation in Canada. 

garbon

Quote from: crazy canuck on Today at 12:32:20 PM
Quote from: garbon on Today at 12:14:17 PMNor can you have a conversation when you're so quick to dismiss people you don't even consider their experiences.

First, your experiences with getting treated for ailments does not in any way equip you to make any judgments about the ability of doctors to deal with issues related to MAID.

Second, if you want to talk about more relevant experience, I have seen a close family member in palliative care living in agony, dosed on pain killing drugs which didn't really work, for months. Until mercifully someone likely gave a bit too much pain killer and the pain came to an end.

That all happened years before the Supreme Court of Canada required the Federal government to bring in MAID legislation in Canada. 

So as I said you are unwilling to learn about experiences others have had. You just presume what they are.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

crazy canuck

Quote from: garbon on Today at 12:39:19 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on Today at 12:32:20 PM
Quote from: garbon on Today at 12:14:17 PMNor can you have a conversation when you're so quick to dismiss people you don't even consider their experiences.

First, your experiences with getting treated for ailments does not in any way equip you to make any judgments about the ability of doctors to deal with issues related to MAID.

Second, if you want to talk about more relevant experience, I have seen a close family member in palliative care living in agony, dosed on pain killing drugs which didn't really work, for months. Until mercifully someone likely gave a bit too much pain killer and the pain came to an end.

That all happened years before the Supreme Court of Canada required the Federal government to bring in MAID legislation in Canada. 

So as I said you are unwilling to learn about experiences others have had. You just presume what they are.

Not really, you have been pretty open with your experiences in the back room.  Granted, there may be something more recent.  But I really doubt you are currently a candidate for MAID, and so I am still not sure what your experience with another part of the health sector has to do with this issue.

It seems to me you are the one making some pretty big assumptions based on your limited experience.

Josquius

Cool fact I've heard.
New transport secretary Heidi Alexander being appointed means for the first time ever the cabinet is 100% state educated :flatcap:
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