Mass shooting in San Bernadino

[derspiess]

Yeah, we can't be slandering a whole group of people because of the actions of a violent minority, can we?

Who's doing that?

[Razgovory]

Bullshit.  Violence against clinics has a direct and immediate impact on daily operations, and a day without an abortion is a day without sunshine.  Besides, today's abortions are tomorrow's improved rush hour commute times.

Yeah, but on the other hand it gives you a chance to try & slander all pro-life folks based on the actions of a lone nutter.  And you love doing that.

If Muslims must repudiate terrorists every time one of their number shoots someone, why shouldn't American conservatives?

[Savonarola]

CNN's 5 things to start your day are the San Bernardino shooting, the Senate vote for Obamacare repeal, US military combat positions are now open to women, some follow ups on the Paris Terror Attacks and the Republican candidates talk at the Republican Jewish Coalition forum.  They titled it:

Friday's 5 Things: A fighting chance, a song and dance, a murderous romance

Nothing says "Senseless tragedy" quite like rhyme.

[Savonarola]

So, Jewish radicals?

He's a negotiator, just like them.   

[11B4V]

CNN is reporting, investigating official are saying a link with ISIS has been established. Further the wife posted on Facebook her alliance to the leader of ISIS.

Investigators are saying this is looking more and more like self radicalization.

No link yet.

[Berkut]

Awesome.

In other news...someone did some counting and is claiming that gun violence since 1968 has killed more Americans than all our wars put together since the American Revolution.

I don't think most people even really understand the incredible scale of carnage that we experience in this country from guns. 33,000 deaths per year. That is as many as are killed in car crashes.

I think the number just kind of blanks out for most Americans - it might as well be 3,000 or 300,000 or 33.

But no matter. We must protect our RAHTS! The ones we invented a couple decades ago.

[Grey Fox]

That number includes suicides tho.

[11B4V]

Awesome.

In other news...someone did some counting and is claiming that gun violence since 1968 has killed more Americans than all our wars put together since the American Revolution.

I don't think most people even really understand the incredible scale of carnage that we experience in this country from guns. 33,000 deaths per year. That is as many as are killed in car crashes.

I think the number just kind of blanks out for most Americans - it might as well be 3,000 or 300,000 or 33.

But no matter. We must protect our RAHTS! The ones we invented a couple decades ago.

Yes, thanks.

[garbon]

That number includes suicides tho.

Are those not dead people? Or are you trying to suggest that said people would kill themselves even if they didn't have a gun?

[Valmy]

CNN is reporting, investigating official are saying a link with ISIS has been established. Further the wife posted on Facebook her alliance to the leader of ISIS.

Investigators are saying this is looking more and more like self radicalization.

No link yet.

Yeah that is what I thought.

Hey a comfortably middle class guy in the First World becomes a radical fundy and commits acts of terrorism. I thought these guys were supposed to be forced into this because of their bleak economic realities?

[Valmy]

Awesome.

In other news...someone did some counting and is claiming that gun violence since 1968 has killed more Americans than all our wars put together since the American Revolution.

I don't think most people even really understand the incredible scale of carnage that we experience in this country from guns. 33,000 deaths per year. That is as many as are killed in car crashes.

I think the number just kind of blanks out for most Americans - it might as well be 3,000 or 300,000 or 33.

But no matter. We must protect our RAHTS! The ones we invented a couple decades ago.

What is to be done though? The Supreme Court pretty much decided this.

[jimmy olsen]

Awesome.

In other news...someone did some counting and is claiming that gun violence since 1968 has killed more Americans than all our wars put together since the American Revolution.

I don't think most people even really understand the incredible scale of carnage that we experience in this country from guns. 33,000 deaths per year. That is as many as are killed in car crashes.

I think the number just kind of blanks out for most Americans - it might as well be 3,000 or 300,000 or 33.

But no matter. We must protect our RAHTS! The ones we invented a couple decades ago.

The murder rate in 2013 (latest year we have stats for) was the lowest since 1957. That's the lowest in 56 years. So, while mass shootings are way up in the last two decades, for the vast majority of Americans they're just something depressing they see on the news. They don't affect them and make them feel personally unsafe like the epidemic of violence that accompanied the crack wars of the 80s. Given that, I don't think there's much likelyhood for any change on the gun issue.   

[Berkut]

Awesome.

In other news...someone did some counting and is claiming that gun violence since 1968 has killed more Americans than all our wars put together since the American Revolution.

I don't think most people even really understand the incredible scale of carnage that we experience in this country from guns. 33,000 deaths per year. That is as many as are killed in car crashes.

I think the number just kind of blanks out for most Americans - it might as well be 3,000 or 300,000 or 33.

But no matter. We must protect our RAHTS! The ones we invented a couple decades ago.

The murder rate in 2013 (latest year we have stats for) was the lowest since 1957. That's the lowest in 56 years. So, while mass shootings are way up in the last two decades, for the vast majority of Americans they're just something depressing they see on the news. They don't affect them and make them feel personally unsafe like the epidemic of violence that accompanied the crack wars of the 80s. Given that, I don't think there's much likelyhood for any change on the gun issue.   

If people like you stick their head in the sand, you are right.

Gun violence is not about mass shootings. That is a tiny, tiny portion of it.

[Berkut]

Awesome.

In other news...someone did some counting and is claiming that gun violence since 1968 has killed more Americans than all our wars put together since the American Revolution.

I don't think most people even really understand the incredible scale of carnage that we experience in this country from guns. 33,000 deaths per year. That is as many as are killed in car crashes.

I think the number just kind of blanks out for most Americans - it might as well be 3,000 or 300,000 or 33.

But no matter. We must protect our RAHTS! The ones we invented a couple decades ago.

What is to be done though? The Supreme Court pretty much decided this.

I don't think that is entirely true. There are plenty of laws restricting gun sales and capabilities that are perfectly Constitutional. And the USSC is not unchangeable - it was a change to invent the personal right to carry arms to begin with, and it can change again, if enough people want it to change.

[derspiess]

Hey a comfortably middle class guy in the First World becomes a radical fundy and commits acts of terrorism. I thought these guys were supposed to be forced into this because of their bleak economic realities?

No, global warming is causing the terrorism.