Mass shooting in San Bernadino

[Berkut]

That number includes suicides tho.

Oh, well, I guess they aren't really dead then.

[Valmy]

Hey a comfortably middle class guy in the First World becomes a radical fundy and commits acts of terrorism. I thought these guys were supposed to be forced into this because of their bleak economic realities?

No, global warming is causing the terrorism.

Without it it would be too cold in San Bernardino to think about Salafism.

[The Minsky Moment]

Hey a comfortably middle class guy in the First World becomes a radical fundy and commits acts of terrorism. I thought these guys were supposed to be forced into this because of their bleak economic realities?

No the Saudis that bombed the towers were doing OK
The more typical pattern IIRC is someone able to find some decent employment but not what they had expected based on their education and background, or ambition.

[The Minsky Moment]

Hey a comfortably middle class guy in the First World becomes a radical fundy and commits acts of terrorism. I thought these guys were supposed to be forced into this because of their bleak economic realities?

No, global warming is causing the terrorism.

There is a pretty good correlation between warming surface temperatures and the rise of radical Islamic terrorism.

[The Minsky Moment]

But no matter. We must protect our RAHTS! The ones we invented a couple decades ago.

7 years ago to be exact.

I don't think that is entirely true. There are plenty of laws restricting gun sales and capabilities that are perfectly Constitutional.

Correct.  So far most regs that have been challenged under Heller have been upheld.

[Berkut]

Hey a comfortably middle class guy in the First World becomes a radical fundy and commits acts of terrorism. I thought these guys were supposed to be forced into this because of their bleak economic realities?

No, global warming is causing the terrorism.

There is a pretty good correlation between warming surface temperatures and the rise of radical Islamic terrorism.

There is no question that economic and political upheaval directly leads to the empowerment of radical ideologies. The historic examples of everywhere.

The death toll from global warming is going to be in the tens of millions, completely outside the actual physical effects.

[grumbler]

Hey a comfortably middle class guy in the First World becomes a radical fundy and commits acts of terrorism. I thought these guys were supposed to be forced into this because of their bleak economic realities?

No the Saudis that bombed the towers were doing OK
The more typical pattern IIRC is someone able to find some decent employment but not what they had expected based on their education and background, or ambition.

  He was mocking the "bleak economic realities" rationalization.

[grumbler]

There is a pretty good correlation between warming surface temperatures and the rise of radical Islamic terrorism.

It's the decline of pirates with parrots that's doing it.  That's been scientifically proven.

[Berkut]

There is a pretty good correlation between warming surface temperatures and the rise of radical Islamic terrorism.

It's the decline of pirates with parrots that's doing it.  That's been scientifically proven.

I don't think there is real scientific consensus on that yet. It is a strong theory though.

[derspiess]

There is a pretty good correlation between warming surface temperatures and the rise of radical Islamic terrorism.

There we go! 

[Grey Fox]

That number includes suicides tho.

Are those not dead people? Or are you trying to suggest that said people would kill themselves even if they didn't have a gun?

A number of them, yes. Not all of course. I think there's data outthere that proves that more people survive a suicidal pass when access to guns is harder.

[Baron von Schtinkenbutt]

Or are you trying to suggest that said people would kill themselves even if they didn't have a gun?

Don't know about Grey Fox, but I will assert that.  I do not see the evidence that the availability of a gun increases the likelihood of someone acting on their suicidal ideations by a statistically significant degree.  It may well increase the likelihood of success, but that is a somewhat different moral debate.

[Baron von Schtinkenbutt]

Oh, well, I guess they aren't really dead then.

I do not consider dead by your own hand violence, so I think including suicides in violence numbers is intellectually dishonest.

[Berkut]

Oh, well, I guess they aren't really dead then.

I do not consider dead by your own hand violence, so I think including suicides in violence numbers is intellectually dishonest.

I think drawing such a distinction is ludicrous.

Self inflicted violence is still violence, and whatever word you want to use to describe humans beings going from alive to dead through the use of a tool designed to thrown small pieces of metal at high rates of speed into human bodies, it doesn't really change the message in the least.

[Berkut]

Or are you trying to suggest that said people would kill themselves even if they didn't have a gun?

Don't know about Grey Fox, but I will assert that.  I do not see the evidence that the availability of a gun increases the likelihood of someone acting on their suicidal ideations by a statistically significant degree.  It may well increase the likelihood of success, but that is a somewhat different moral debate.

Yeah, it is surely crazy talk to imagine that access to a tool which humans have specifically designed to efficiently kill humans would have a profound impact on the ability to humans to actually kill humans, whether they be themselves or others.