The Off Topic Topic

[Eddie Teach]

Or maybe you're just saying that out of the kindness of your heart, I suppose.

[Archy]

Anyone remember Mishka?

Was he a jew who secretly loved Jesus?

Wasn't he a Christian secretly loving Mohammed?

[Archy]

Isn't it time to deconstruct the narrative of this thread concerning the subgroup and cultural references pertaining to the white male dominated narrative of the deconstruction of Palestinian constructs being exposed by the IDF as it where with stark forceful arguments denying the uniqueness of the feminist pov on this position, I would dare say. Won't you agree?

[jimmy olsen]

What relevance does that question have?

EDIT:  And/or has the mass slaughter of Palestinians been a reasonable price to pay to maintain Israel as such today?  Because, you know, that's not a hypothetical.

The relevance of that question lies in its relation to a military defeat of Israel which results in the elimination of the state of Israel.

A truly democratic state that represents Jews and Arabs (i.e. not Israel qua Israel) wouldn't be the result of an Israeli defeat.

Yes, you're right.

That wouldn't be the result of a Jewish defeat. The murder of millions would be.

Going to respond to this Mihail?

[Jacob]

Going to respond to this Mihail?

I'm guessing "no".

[Josquius]

If children on the train aren't bad enough today two decided to squeeze onto the chair beside me/half of my train.
But they don't belong to meeee

[Duque de Bragança]

The construction is "I understand why people are sympathetic to [psychopath mass murderer] in light of [development/proposal I do not like]" is fine as a jibe/ sarcasm. I'm okay with that, as long as you extend the courtesy of allowing that same construction to be similarly acceptable for people expressing view points you don't approve of

I don't think I did not allow the similar construction. Yet, some countries have laws against terrorism apology (France and Spain IIRC) though so it's not exactly comparable. In part, because terrorism apology may be a tool for recruitment. This means some dumb rapper doing islamist terrorism apology in his lyrics is not prosecuted. Fair enough, as long he does not get public/tax payer money.
It's interesting you compare not liking PC to apology of islamist terrorism talk though. This is more damning than I could ever dream of. 

I'm using the pro-islamist rapper Black M (Mesrine gangster reference) example since this is the current polemic in France for the hundredth anniversary of the battle of Verdun. This Black M was to "play" there thanks to French tax payer money to commemorate the battle...
To give you an idea on how mighty Fallen France has fallen, in 1979 Ernst Jünger of Storms of Steel fame, was invited to further seal the Franco-German reconciliation. Even Mitterrand the previous left-wing president managed a proper commemoration with Kohl, in 1984.

To end on a positive note, at least you're not comparing the ones you disagree with you with ABB since you described him as a psychopatch mass murderer, and/or blaming exclusively the extreme right/fascist/nazi/right/conservative/whatever leftist scape goat. So we're making progress.

PS: this last part deserves his own thread, too late for now.

[DGuller]

Going to respond to this Mihail?

I'm guessing "no".

And that's why Mihali is having trouble getting anywhere with his arguments, apart from the neurological disease afflicting many of the posters here.  Anything that complicates the narrative is going to get ignored.  What's going to happen when Israel suffers a massive military defeat?  How is the unified Palestine as a single "fully democratic" entity actually supposed to function without political deadlock and eventual brutal civil war?  Nope, not gonna think about that, it will make it too hard to be dead certain in one's morality.

[Jacob]

I don't think I did not allow the similar construction.

Fair enough.

Yet, some countries have laws against terrorism apology (France and Spain IIRC) though so it's not exactly comparable. In part, because terrorism apology may be a tool for recruitment. This means some dumb rapper doing islamist terrorism apology in his lyrics is not prosecuted. Fair enough, as long he does not get public/tax payer money.

It's interesting you compare not liking PC to apology of islamist terrorism talk though. This is more damning than I could ever dream of. 

I did not compare it to "not liking PC"; I compared it to "joking" that the Norwegian mass murderer had good cause for his actions.

I'm using the pro-islamist rapper Black M (Mesrine gangster reference) example since this is the current polemic in France for the hundredth anniversary of the battle of Verdun. This Black M was to "play" there thanks to French tax payer money to commemorate the battle...

To give you an idea on how mighty Fallen France has fallen, in 1979 Ernst Jünger of Storms of Steel fame, was invited to further seal the Franco-German reconciliation. Even Mitterrand the previous left-wing president managed a proper commemoration with Kohl, in 1984.

So, if I'm understanding you correctly you're saying your "jokes" about Breivik are not apologism because the stuff Black M espouses is equivalent and is not deemed apologism either by the laws of France? Fair enough, I'll take your word re: what Black M is saying.

The metric I was using based on what would happen if someone posted on languish and said that some minor political position that was extremely unlikely to come to fruition (so an analogy to the Norwegian style national celebration in France) would understandably drive people to support the terrorist murders in Paris (analogous to Breivik's murder). I reckoned that that would be considered apologism for the Paris attackers, so I rated your statements about Breivik similarly.

To end on a positive note, at least you're not comparing the ones you disagree with you with ABB since you described him as a psychopatch mass murderer, and/or blaming exclusively the extreme right/fascist/nazi/right/conservative/whatever leftist scape goat. So we're making progress.

No, I'm not comparing people I disagree with to Breivik; he is, as I said, a psychopathic mass murderer. I am, however, unimpressed with rhetorical devices that implicitly justify his murders and that's what I took your "joke" to be; if you were making a different point, I'm afraid I missed it.

[Jacob]

And that's why Mihali is having trouble getting anywhere with his arguments, apart from the neurological disease afflicting many of the posters here.  Anything that complicates the narrative is going to get ignored.  What's going to happen when Israel suffers a massive military defeat?  How is the unified Palestine as a single "fully democratic" entity actually supposed to function without political deadlock and eventual brutal civil war?  Nope, not gonna think about that, it will make it too hard to be dead certain in one's morality.

I was more basing it on Mihali having just said that he was done with this one-vs-many argument about the topic.

I'm pretty confident that he could provide a consistent answer, even if it would fail to persuade those of you who disagree with him.

[DGuller]

And that's why Mihali is having trouble getting anywhere with his arguments, apart from the neurological disease afflicting many of the posters here.  Anything that complicates the narrative is going to get ignored.  What's going to happen when Israel suffers a massive military defeat?  How is the unified Palestine as a single "fully democratic" entity actually supposed to function without political deadlock and eventual brutal civil war?  Nope, not gonna think about that, it will make it too hard to be dead certain in one's morality.

I was more basing it on Mihali having just said that he was done with this one-vs-many argument about the topic.

True, but he was ignoring such fundamental issues long before he was done with it.

[Jacob]

True, but he was ignoring such fundamental issues long before he was done with it.

I admire your valiant attempts at roping him into the argument again

[Jacob]

Photos from 1908 Japan







More here: http://www.demilked.com/old-photos-japan-1908-arnold-genthe/

[Jacob]

Trump Tower in Vancouver has application for liquor license rejected.

Internet commenters speculate that it's retaliation against Trump being a general douchebag, but no details are available at this time in spite of the speculation.

On Wednesday morning, the city rejected the application for a liquor licence in the nightclub on the third floor of the hotel in the new Trump Tower.

Whilst the controversial name may have something to do with it, the 64 residents who opposed the licence cited noise, littering, drunk behaviour and traffic as concerns.

It's unclear what will become of the Trump Tower nightclub plans now.

But maybe it wouldn't have been that exciting anyway – there would certainly have been no drinks by the pool as we previously thought.

According to the application, nightclub is set to include a mezzanine, indoor pool deck and outdoor patio. Before 5 p.m., the indoor pool would be used for swimming and family use.

At 5 p.m., the area would convert to a bar/nightclub and the pool floor would rise up to become a multi-use area for dancing, fashion shows and product launches.

Meanwhile, liquor service would only have been permitted when the pool was covered and used as a dance floor.

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2016/05/trump-tower-nightclub-liquor-licence-rejected/

[Jacob]

Alright... who here has a setup like this?