The Off Topic Topic

[Valmy]

Went & got the books for my daughter's 4th grade. Browsing thru her History book, there's an entire section on the 13 colonies up to 1745. Kind of amazing, really.

13? Delaware was never a colony I don't think.

[Grey Fox]

Went & got the books for my daughter's 4th grade. Browsing thru her History book, there's an entire section on the 13 colonies up to 1745. Kind of amazing, really.

Anything on Nova Scotia? Newfoundland?

Nothing on Newfoundland. Talks about the Nova Scotia part of New France. Doesn't seem to talk much of the English system. I expect that the Conquest gets covered in Grade 5.

[Oexmelin]

Went & got the books for my daughter's 4th grade. Browsing thru her History book, there's an entire section on the 13 colonies up to 1745. Kind of amazing, really.

13? Delaware was never a colony I don't think.

It sure was. Why do you think there are 13 stripes on your flag?

[Oexmelin]

Nothing on Newfoundland. Talks about the Nova Scotia part of New France. Doesn't seem to talk much of the English system. I expect that the Conquest gets covered in Grade 5.

It's inevitable that there needs to be choices - it's just that the "13 colonies" without Newfoundland, or Nova Scotia (or, indeed, Jamaica or Barbados) is anachronistic. If you want to talk about French - British rivalries, Nova Scotia and Newfoundland ought to be featured. They don't magically disappear because they will not form the USA. 

[Syt]

[celedhring]

Surprised that the figure for Spain is so high to be honest. Military issues are pretty unpopular (and people in favor of military spending are usually nationalists).

[Josquius]

Surprised that the figure for Spain is so high to be honest. Military issues are pretty unpopular (and people in favor of military spending are usually nationalists).

Thats a primary benefit of the EU army though. Massively cuts down on what you have to spend.

[jimmy olsen]

[DGuller]

Having a combined army would essentially be making a tag switch into EU as a single country, no?

[Valmy]

Went & got the books for my daughter's 4th grade. Browsing thru her History book, there's an entire section on the 13 colonies up to 1745. Kind of amazing, really.

13? Delaware was never a colony I don't think.

It sure was. Why do you think there are 13 stripes on your flag?

Because Pennsylvania agreed they could represent themselves at tbe Continental Congress as a self governing part of Pennsylvania, but they never had a colonial charter or anything.

Both Vermont and Deleware were unofficial colonies, the only difference is Pennsylvania was nice about it and New York and New Hampshire were not.

[grumbler]

Because Pennsylvania agreed they could represent themselves at tbe Continental Congress as a self governing part of Pennsylvania, but they never had a colonial charter or anything.

Both Vermont and Deleware were unofficial colonies, the only difference is Pennsylvania was nice about it and New York and New Hampshire were not.

Penn's lease of Delaware was separate from his charter for Pennsylvania, and Delaware was already settled, so it was never formally part of Pennsylvania, just ruled from there (though with its own legislature).  You are correct that it was not a separate colony, and that the 13 stripes on the flag represent states, not colonies.

[Oexmelin]

Penn's lease of Delaware was separate from his charter for Pennsylvania, and Delaware was already settled, so it was never formally part of Pennsylvania, just ruled from there (though with its own legislature).  You are correct that it was not a separate colony, and that the 13 stripes on the flag represent states, not colonies.

The fact that it had its own charter and its own legislature is what made it a "separate colony", the "Lower Counties on the Delaware", which Penn later renamed the "Counties of Pennsylvania" in 1701. Penn tried, and failed, to unite them, leading to the joint charter of 1701. I do not know what other criteria would make it not an independent colony. The settlers in Vermont, for instance, did not have such an assembly, nor did they have a charter independent from the competing land grants of New York and New Hampshire (although they indeed tried in 1775-1776).

[Razgovory]

Ugh, I don't feel well.  I think I have a fever.

[Malthus]

Recently came across a picture of Joseph Bloor, an early 19th century brewer and land speculator who was the guy "Bloor Street" in Toronto was named after.

The man has the single least flattering photograph I have ever seen. Seriously, check this guy out:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Bloor

I sense a marketing idea: put his pic on the label of a locally brewed beer!

[PDH]

Waddaya mean?  That is a great picture, probably captures his inner tranquility.