How far right are you?

[Admiral Yi]

So you're thinking that guaranteed income is on top of whatever you earn?

[Grinning_Colossus]

Yes. It would cause inflation, but it would be the best way to maintain incentives for employment.

[dps]

So you're thinking that guaranteed income is on top of whatever you earn?

That seems to be what they're suggesting.

OTOH, are you suggesting that people won't wash dishes for $30,000/year?  'Cause probably dishwashers make half of that or so if they're lucky.  I think they'd be thrilled to get that big of a raise.

[Admiral Yi]

OTOH, are you suggesting that people won't wash dishes for $30,000/year?

I was suggesting no one would was dishes for 30,000 a year if that meant losing the 20,000 they got for playing XBox and whacking off.

[frunk]

I was suggesting no one would was dishes for 30,000 a year if that meant losing the 20,000 they got for playing XBox and whacking off.

I specified support could only be used for food/housing.  You want a TV, an XBox and a porn internet connection?  Get a job.

And I was thinking the support would be for all citizens, graduated down depending on the amount of income tax paid (rather than a sharp cutoff).

[Ideologue]

I was suggesting no one would was dishes for 30,000 a year if that meant losing the 20,000 they got for playing XBox and whacking off.

I specified support could only be used for food/housing.  You want a TV, an XBox and a porn internet connection?  Get a job.

On a moral level, I think this is absolutely acceptable--one of the most obvious objections to free market ideology is that in the presence of biological requirements, there can be no meaningful freedom of choice.

On a policy level, I think it's a mistake, since we want people to get comfortable with the idea of not working and ultimately transition to living off the basic income to the normative state in the face of automation and a reduced demand for labor.

[celedhring]

My leftist utopia is a place where the state guarantees that you will survive, and from there what you do with your life is up to your choices and desires. So if you want your xbox or a bigger house, you have to work. Problem is, as people have pointed out, that there are probably few people that desire to be janitors or dishwashers. So essentially, we need people to be unable to make truly free choices in order for our society to work. We need people to be forced to take shitty jobs, to work shitty hours, to do things they don't want to do because they have to pay for food and rent.

Unless we get robots. But then they will rise up against us.

[Berkut]

I was suggesting no one would was dishes for 30,000 a year if that meant losing the 20,000 they got for playing XBox and whacking off.

I specified support could only be used for food/housing.  You want a TV, an XBox and a porn internet connection?  Get a job.

On a moral level, I think this is absolutely acceptable--one of the most obvious objections to free market ideology is that in the presence of biological requirements, there can be no meaningful freedom of choice.

On a policy level, I think it's a mistake, since we want people to get comfortable with the idea of not working and ultimately transition to living off the basic income to the normative state in the face of automation and a reduced demand for labor.

Thank you for expressing yourself in your more normal insane manner, and letting me off the hook. Much appreciated.

[Ideologue]

Half of us should dig ditches, and the other half will fill in those ditches thus dug.  A bold plan!

[Ed Anger]

Half of us should dig ditches, and the other half will fill in those ditches thus dug.  A bold plan!

PROGRESS

[Admiral Yi]

Half of us should dig ditches, and the other half will fill in those ditches thus dug.  A bold plan!

And we could all sleep on level ground, eat level ground, and wear level ground.  A true workers' paradise.

[Razgovory]

Half of us should dig ditches, and the other half will fill in those ditches thus dug.  A bold plan!

And we could all sleep on level ground, eat level ground, and wear level ground.  A true workers' paradise.

A total ending of Hierarchy.

[Admiral Yi]

A total ending of Hierarchy.

Filling in is a lot cushier than digging.

[The Brain]

Should happiness be mandatory?

[Ideologue]

Half of us should dig ditches, and the other half will fill in those ditches thus dug.  A bold plan!

And we could all sleep on level ground, eat level ground, and wear level ground.  A true workers' paradise.

I was making fun of Berkut.  CONTEXT CLUES.