How far right are you?

[MadImmortalMan]

Yet most of the forum is in the opposite quadrant. 

I really suspect if the politicians plotted took the test they would not be where they are according to that. They seem to skew them up and right.

[Razgovory]

Yet most of the forum is in the opposite quadrant. 

The authoritarian-libertarian axis is bullshit.

[MadImmortalMan]

How so?

[Razgovory]

How so?

Because the opposite of libertarian is not authoritarian.  Libertarians want protection of property rights which requires some sort of authority even if it's just a mob.  The opposite of Authoritarianism is anarchy where there are no restrictions on actions at all.  Not legal, ethical, religious, private or public.

[Martinus]

You are wrong, Raz, anarchism is really the extreme form of libertarianism.

[Grinning_Colossus]

Is Raz talking about anarchism or anarchy? Traditional anarchists don't necessarily support anarchy, just voluntary, self-organized order maintained by social norms.

[Siege]

"Michael Brown, a police officer, a radical Muslim from CAIR, and a Jew are on one side of a river and have to get across on a boat that can only fit two people. If the radical Muslim from CAIR is alone with the Jew, he will attack him. If Michael Brown is alone with the police officer, he will take the police officer's gun and shoot him with it. How can the four get across safely without harm coming to anyone?


If 4 homeland security employees can legalize 40 illegals in 4 hours, how many hours would it take 7 homeland security employees to legalize 70 illegals?


If you call a company in Mexico on the phone, what number do you need to press to hear the voice menu in Spanish?


When minority youngsters get into violent trouble with police, we always see photos of them dressed in their high school graduation outfit. Do you think minority youth would be less suspicious looking if they stopped using graduation outfits as every day walking around clothes?


If Lando Calrissian is the only black person in the original Star Wars universe, who were his parents?


In the Blade series Wesley Snipes was a black vampire at conflict with white vampires. Do you think if the white vampires had a more inclusive diversity program, that conflict might have been avoided?


If it is ok to remake Shakespeare and Little Orphan Annie with black people, when can we expect to see the remake of Roots with an all white cast?"

[grumbler]

Is Raz talking about anarchism or anarchy? Traditional anarchists don't necessarily support anarchy, just voluntary, self-organized order maintained by social norms.

I don't think Raz knows.  He's been demonizing "libertarians' here for so long I don't think he even knows that the term describes a belief set rather than a group of people.  Anarchy describes a condition, not a set of beliefs.  As you note, anarchism isn't the espousal of anarchy, but rather the rejection of arbitrary authority.

[grumbler]

And I see Siege is plagiarizing more ideas from other people.  At least he and ML King Jr had one thing in common.

[Eddie Teach]

If it is ok to remake Shakespeare and Little Orphan Annie with black people, when can we expect to see the remake of Roots with an all white cast?"

[Valmy]

When minority youngsters get into violent trouble with police, we always see photos of them dressed in their high school graduation outfit. Do you think minority youth would be less suspicious looking if they stopped using graduation outfits as every day walking around clothes?

"Always"? Every single minority youngster who has ever gotten into violent trouble with the police have graduated from High School? That is an amazing stat Siege. Why do you think minorities always wait until they are over 18 to get into violent trouble with the police and why do they graduate at a higher rate than the general population?

[Razgovory]

You are wrong, Raz, anarchism is really the extreme form of libertarianism.

Nope.  Most forms of Anarchy abolish private property.  That's a big no-no in libertarian circles.

[Razgovory]

Is Raz talking about anarchism or anarchy? Traditional anarchists don't necessarily support anarchy, just voluntary, self-organized order maintained by social norms.

I thought I said anarchy.

[Razgovory]

Is Raz talking about anarchism or anarchy? Traditional anarchists don't necessarily support anarchy, just voluntary, self-organized order maintained by social norms.

I don't think Raz knows.  He's been demonizing "libertarians' here for so long I don't think he even knows that the term describes a belief set rather than a group of people.  Anarchy describes a condition, not a set of beliefs.  As you note, anarchism isn't the espousal of anarchy, but rather the rejection of arbitrary authority.

Says, the libertarian.  Don't bother denying it.  I know you wouldn't dream of disagreeing with me.

[Valmy]

Nope.  Most forms of Anarchy abolish private property.  That's a big no-no in libertarian circles.

Just pretend it says 'order vs anarchy'.  Same intended meaning and no need for us to get into semantic debates.