Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-25

[chipwich]

If the US didn't want to be scorned and hated, then it shouldn't have aligned with Russia against Ukraine and talked about minerals and deals when there's a war on and people are dying. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Fuck around and find out. Loose lips sink ships.

I'm sure it can be painful to wake up one morning and one's country is garbage and rightfully hated by every sane person on the planet. I can't lie to you about your country, but... you have my sympathies.

Do you feel this way against Chad or Indonesia or Iraq that have given no help to Ukraine whatsoever?

If this is the gratitude we get for helping Ukraine for the past 3 years and defending Europe for the past 80 years, then we are better off without these deadweight "allies".

Did you actually read what you quoted? I was talking about the backstabbing of Ukraine and alignment with Russia, not about history. Europe should support American cooperation with Russia against Ukraine out of gratitude for earlier good deeds?

I fully understand that there may be an instinct to get defensive and rally around Daddy Trump and your bff Vance against the foreign meanies. Only reinforces how important it is for sane countries to cut ties with America.

America should not be punished for giving aid to Ukraine for 3 years and then not continuing, especially if countries that never helped Ukraine are not punished.

[HVC]

Even if you accept that line of reasoning how do you shoehorn in teaming up with Russia to work out a "peace" agreement"?

[chipwich]

America isn't teaming up with Russia.

[The Brain]

If the US didn't want to be scorned and hated, then it shouldn't have aligned with Russia against Ukraine and talked about minerals and deals when there's a war on and people are dying. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Fuck around and find out. Loose lips sink ships.

I'm sure it can be painful to wake up one morning and one's country is garbage and rightfully hated by every sane person on the planet. I can't lie to you about your country, but... you have my sympathies.

Do you feel this way against Chad or Indonesia or Iraq that have given no help to Ukraine whatsoever?

If this is the gratitude we get for helping Ukraine for the past 3 years and defending Europe for the past 80 years, then we are better off without these deadweight "allies".

Did you actually read what you quoted? I was talking about the backstabbing of Ukraine and alignment with Russia, not about history. Europe should support American cooperation with Russia against Ukraine out of gratitude for earlier good deeds?

I fully understand that there may be an instinct to get defensive and rally around Daddy Trump and your bff Vance against the foreign meanies. Only reinforces how important it is for sane countries to cut ties with America.

America should not be punished for giving aid to Ukraine for 3 years and then not continuing, especially if countries that never helped Ukraine are not punished.

Are you seriously going to pretend that the last weeks never happened? The US is actively cooperating with Russia to destroy Ukraine. The US has killed Nato. Since you're a Trump voter you should rejoice in the amount of liberal tears you cause, not whine about it.

[chipwich]

I'm not a trump voter you hallucinating idiot.

[HVC]

I'm not a trump voter you hallucinating idiot.

Not smart enough to check the right choice on the ballot? Who'd you accidently vote for?

[The Brain]

I'm not a trump voter you hallucinating idiot.

Of course you're not. You just eat Trump's ass for recreational purposes.

[Grey Fox]

America isn't teaming up with Russia.

Krasnov and Vance are trying their hardest.

And punishment for America maybe not but scorn. Unfeathered scorn forever. Betrayal is worse than anything some random African country is not doing.

[chipwich]

America isn't teaming up with Russia.

And punishment for America maybe not but scorn. Unfeathered scorn forever. Betrayal is worse than anything some random African country is not doing.

The moral of the story is to never stick your neck out for Europe.

[Grey Fox]

The moral of the story is what HVC said. America was never good, it was only on the same side.

[Jacob]

The moral of the story is that when you turn your allies, emotions are going to run high.

[Legbiter]

Tusk is turning into a cyborg

I've long since lost count of these European summits held just this year. Looks like displacement activity. The Europeans could just start enforcing their own sanctions against russia, maybe not let the Greek shipping tycoons buy oil tankers for them, actually deliver the weapons and ammo they promised to do 5 aid packages ago...

[chipwich]

Euros need to control their emotions.

[Admiral Yi]

America should not be punished for giving aid to Ukraine for 3 years and then not continuing, especially if countries that never helped Ukraine are not punished.

Should the US be punished for saying Ukraine started the war?  Or for threating to invade Greenland and Canada?   Or for starting several trade wars?

[chipwich]

America should not be punished for giving aid to Ukraine for 3 years and then not continuing, especially if countries that never helped Ukraine are not punished.

Should the US be punished for saying Ukraine started the war?  Or for threating to invade Greenland and Canada?   Or for starting several trade wars?

Yes to the latter two, the first is too unimportant for a policy change on Europe's part. But Europosters are clearly tantruming for the US no longer supporting Ukraine since they decided to