Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-25

[Iormlund]

Merci Charles.

Until Le Pen gets elected, then we're both screwed.

She hasn't been elected yet, and they've been trying to get elected since 1974. They're perpetual losers.

Mélenchon is no better.

[grumbler]

Charles de Gaulle would absolutely betray Ukraine to get in Russia's good graces.

Edgelords will edgelord.

[Richard Hakluyt]

De Gaulle was a great man, he was also bloody irritating 

[Syt]

De Gaulle was a great man, he was also bloody irritating 

Most great men are. Few people become great by being selfless rays of sunshine.

[Baron von Schtinkenbutt]

How does this work?  Is there some override switch at the Pentagon?

The only delivery system the UK has are US-made missiles.  I obviously don't know how much direct control the US can exert, since that would be classified, but they can at least threaten the continued viability of the systems.

Edit: grumbler beat me to it.

[Neil]

Charles de Gaulle would absolutely betray Ukraine to get in Russia's good graces.

Probably not.  De Gaulle might have been similar to Trump in that he was an egotistical maniac, but he wasn't a complete idiot who would uncritically accept any lie fed to him.  While De Gaulle's extreme nationalism might make you wonder why he didn't side with Petain, his vision was of a world where France controlled (or at least was first amoung equals in) some sort of supernational structure, not one where France was dominated by a greater power, be that Germany, the Soviets, the United Kingdom or the United States.

[Zoupa]

Merci Charles.

Until Le Pen gets elected, then we're both screwed.

She hasn't been elected yet, and they've been trying to get elected since 1974. They're perpetual losers.

Mélenchon is no better.

Also never elected, trying for 30 years now.

[Razgovory]

Charles de Gaulle would absolutely betray Ukraine to get in Russia's good graces.

Probably not.  De Gaulle might have been similar to Trump in that he was an egotistical maniac, but he wasn't a complete idiot who would uncritically accept any lie fed to him.  While De Gaulle's extreme nationalism might make you wonder why he didn't side with Petain, his vision was of a world where France controlled (or at least was first amoung equals in) some sort of supernational structure, not one where France was dominated by a greater power, be that Germany, the Soviets, the United Kingdom or the United States.

Yes, that is De Gaulle, and if betraying Ukraine would help France and piss of the hated Anglo-Saxons he would do it in a heartbeat. 

[viper37]

Charles de Gaulle would absolutely betray Ukraine to get in Russia's good graces.

Probably not.  De Gaulle might have been similar to Trump in that he was an egotistical maniac, but he wasn't a complete idiot who would uncritically accept any lie fed to him.  While De Gaulle's extreme nationalism might make you wonder why he didn't side with Petain, his vision was of a world where France controlled (or at least was first amoung equals in) some sort of supernational structure, not one where France was dominated by a greater power, be that Germany, the Soviets, the United Kingdom or the United States.

Yes, that is De Gaulle, and if betraying Ukraine would help France and piss of the hated Anglo-Saxons he would do it in a heartbeat. 

You are a fucking idiot, probably of equal idiocy to the man who governs you now.


At least, you will get to soon experience the Palestinian life.  May that humble you.

[Razgovory]

Charles de Gaulle would absolutely betray Ukraine to get in Russia's good graces.

Edgelords will edgelord.

"my country first" is pretty much on brand for a guy like De Gaulle.

[Grey Fox]

Caliss, les amis. Chuck c'était pas un paragon de la virtue trans-atlantique là. Vous réagissez comme si Raz viens d'insulter Obama.

[Zoupa]

Il dit n'importe quoi au lieu de se preoccuper de son pays de marde. Moi chu ben content que De Gaulle ai insisté pour avoir une force de frappe indépendante. Que ca fasse chier les yanks c juste la cerise sur le sundae.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Yeah if Putinists or fellow travellers get elected in France or Germany then it's a dire time for Europe.

I wonder to what degree the current shitshow will affect their support.

Not sure Le Pen would choose the option of playing second fiddle to Putin if she and France can play first violin in Europe though. She is, after all, still french.
Melenchon is not an alternative since he's even worse.

[Solmyr]

As I mentioned elsewhere, this will require the UK to actually develop an indigenous means of delivering their weapons, as right now their entire deterrent could theoretically be neutered by the US.

How does this work?  Is there some override switch at the Pentagon?

There will probably be an override switch at the Kremlin in a few months.

[Duque de Bragança]

Il dit n'importe quoi au lieu de se preoccuper de son pays de marde. Moi chu ben content que De Gaulle ai insisté pour avoir une force de frappe indépendante. Que ca fasse chier les yanks c juste la cerise sur le sundae.

D'accord sur le fond, la forme est plus personnelle. 
La force de frappe indépendante c'est dû à l'expédition de Suez (, un traumatisme, d'où un large soutien à l'époque et une absence de remise en cause après. Les Britanniques n'en tirèrent pas les mêmes conclusions...