Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-25

[Josquius]

I notice a distinct lack of people calling me Pope Zoupa. 

I mean... If I'm invited to the concave you have my vote if you really want it.

[HVC]

I notice a distinct lack of people calling me Pope Zoupa. 

Do you want a schism? because this is how we get schisms

[Valmy]

I notice a distinct lack of people calling me Pope Zoupa. 

Pope Francis seems to be on the mend, you might have to wait a bit for your chance.

[Grey Fox]

Yeah, I am doing great. Last week was a little hard with having no voice but that's behind us now.

[Neil]

Best I can do is Papa Zoupa

Pepe Zoupa? 

[Valmy]

Yeah, I am doing great. Last week was a little hard with having no voice but that's behind us now.

Glad you are feeling better Holiness.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Best I can do is Papa Zoupa

Pepe Zoupa? 

At least it's not papa smurf

[grumbler]

Best I can do is Papa Zoupa

Well, that's Pope Zoupa in English.

Though it should be noted that "Pope" is just a convention. The Pope's actual title is "Bishop of Rome."

[Syt]

Watching clips of the Zelenskyy-Trump meeting and holy crap. Surprised Zelenskyy didn't deck Trump and Vance right there and then

[Grey Fox]

This is how you sway Trump. Go Toe to toe, punch for punch.

[Syt]

It actually seems to become a trend that guests "correct" or push back against some of their assertions during these meetings. Macron, Zelenskyy, even Starmer a little bit. Or the Gov. of Maine recently. I assume that these press talks will cease soon.

[Syt]

https://youtu.be/oVpZlhiTNgo?t=6200 (1:43:20 timestamp)

[garbon]

Watching clips of the Zelenskyy-Trump meeting and holy crap. Surprised Zelenskyy didn't deck Trump and Vance right there and then

Yeah at least Vance. Trump might like that bloodsport.

[Zoupa]

This was painful to watch. I don't know what the right approach is with Trump, or even if there is a right approach, but I don't think this was it. Z should not have accepted to be in the room with all that press, that's of course assuming he had any inkling of what the 3 stooges would be assaulting him with.

What a shitshow. Ukraine stands alone. Thank god the russians are so fucking stupid and terrible at warfare.

[Sheilbh]

This was painful to watch. I don't know what the right approach is with Trump, or even if there is a right approach, but I don't think this was it. Z should not have accepted to be in the room with all that press, that's of course assuming he had any inkling of what the 3 stooges would be assaulting him with.

What a shitshow. Ukraine stands alone. Thank god the russians are so fucking stupid and terrible at warfare.

I don't know. I think it's different depending on context.

I think Jeffrey Goldberg said the best approach (citing Abe as very effective) was flattery and golf. I think that's probably the approach Europeans need to take right now. But I think with Ukraine, there is maybe a need to show fight and emphasise that you exist as a nation (maybe similar with Canada?).

On the other hand I am struck how much Europeans seem to have this issue while I feel countries in other regions (including Japan and other allies) kind of feel like they have a handle on how to deal with Trump.