Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-23 and Invasion

[Maladict]

Best case scenario might be Wagner gets destroyed but at very heavy cost, then Putin can use the stab in the back story to withdraw from Ukraine without losing his job.

[Legbiter]

Yeah his only chance is speeding to Moscow, regime forces surrender/switch sides without a fight, priggy enters the Kremlin and addresses the nation as the new Warboss. Most likely this plan fails and he and Wagner get crushed in the next couple of days.

[viper37]

Edit: And on the point of this as a mutiny - can't help but feel Prigozhin's accusations ring true, because they are true. Soldiers in a meat grinder, thousands dying for minimal advances, failures of logistics and support while the leadership have been embezzling etc.

This part is true.
It's the part about Russia having bombed Wagner that is unverified.

[viper37]

Allegedly the first skirmish between Wagner and the National Guard took place on the main road between Rostov to Moscow with the Guard routing and leaving behind their equipment, but then again this may be entirely made up.

It sounds like many of the skirmishes against the Ukrainians...

[Sheilbh]

From Ukrainian sources so handle with care, but apparently videos showing highways being dug up south of Moscow to block (or delay) route in. Also reports that the Kadyrovites have now reached Rostov and, apparently, are being disarmed.

[Legbiter]

Incredible.

[Legbiter]

At least the Russians managed 1 impressive offensive in this war. 

[Duque de Bragança]

At least the Russians managed 1 impressive offensive in this war. 

Better planning than the Capitol attack of January 6th perhaps, but it's still far too early to say it' successful.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

At least the Russians managed 1 impressive offensive in this war. 

ouch, nice burn.

[Sheilbh]

This may not mean anything but it feels interesting how few senior state figures (since the two generals last night) appear to have popped up on TV or social media supporting Putin

[HVC]

This may not mean anything but it feels interesting how few senior state figures (since the two generals last night) appear to have popped up on TV or social media supporting Putin

They all have two recordings. Just waiting on the outcome of the battle for Moscow.

[Tamas]

I find it incredible that Wagner has not been crushed yet. I see only two possible explanations: one is that a lot of generals actually want Wagner to win, which I find unlikely. Or indeed the war in Ukraine has consumed everything Russia has, and they simply do not have reserves to move against Wagner, and disengaging whatever offensive-worthy forces they might still have in Ukraine must be difficult even if they'd be willing to do so.

[Legbiter]

Or indeed the war in Ukraine has consumed everything Russia has, and they simply do not have reserves to move against Wagner, and disengaging whatever offensive-worthy forces they might still have in Ukraine must be difficult even if they'd be willing to do so.

If they want to pull forces out of Ukraine of take part in vatnik domestic politics then godspeed to them...

[Hamilcar]

Iran and Kazakhstan no longer take Putin's calls. He has no allies left. (Luka doesn't count)

[HVC]

For a guy that has a hard on for his legacy getting overthrown by a hotdog vendor has to be a kick to the nuts for Putin. It's glorious.