Chris Christie's Bullying, Revisited

[The Minsky Moment]

Joe McCarthy was a bully, a man who used the power of his office to intimidate, coerce, silence and ruin others.

Christie is just a fat guy from Jersey with a loud voice. 

[Eddie Teach]

I think the traffic thing could be seen that way too. But not the clips Yi posted.

[derspiess]

Joe McCarthy was a bully, a man who used the power of his office to intimidate, coerce, silence and ruin others.

Yeah, but he gave those commies what-fer.

[Admiral Yi]

Interesting poll results.

[Valmy]

Joe McCarthy was a bully, a man who used the power of his office to intimidate, coerce, silence and ruin others.

Yeah, but he gave those commies what-fer.

Were any actual Commie spies found by McCarthy?  I thought it was just leftwing Hollywood types and New Dealers.  I figured it was just revenge for all the hell the Roosevelt Administration gave the Isolationist Republican types during WWII-pretty much declaring them Fascist and Nazi sympathizers.  Turn-about is fair play and all that.

Anyway I don't think Christie is a bully.

[HVC]

Interesting poll results.

guess the bully/no bully view comes down to whether you were bullied by a fat kid growing up

[derspiess]

Were any actual Commie spies found by McCarthy?  I thought it was just leftwing Hollywood types and New Dealers.  I figured it was just revenge for all the hell the Roosevelt Administration gave the Isolationist Republican types during WWII-pretty much declaring them Fascist and Nazi sympathizers.  Turn-about is fair play and all that.

There were quite a few communists, sympathizers, and outright Soviet agents in various branches of government and throughout the entertainment industry.  This was well-known in some circles but most Americans seemed unaware.  In hindsight, McCarthy was probably too blunt an instrument for the job, but his heart was in the right place.

Anyway I don't think Christie is a bully.

I think he probably is, but in the context of New Jersey politics it's kind of a non-issue.

[Valmy]

There were quite a few communists, sympathizers, and outright Soviet agents in various branches of government and throughout the entertainment industry.  This was well-known in some circles but most Americans seemed unaware.  In hindsight, McCarthy was probably too blunt an instrument for the job, but his heart was in the right place.

How could they be unaware after the Rosenberg fiasco?  Anyway McCarthy pissed all over the US Constitution and achieved zilch in actually catching any spies.  But he was not really interested in going after actual Soviet Spies, this was about revenge on left wing Americans.

[alfred russel]

Hey derspiess, random question...if the bengals win the super bowl, will you get a ring?

[derspiess]

How could they be unaware after the Rosenberg fiasco?

Good question-- you'd have to think people would be suspicious.  But the fact that McCarthy's Wheeling speech caused such a stir indicates that they were not.

Anyway McCarthy pissed all over the US Constitution and achieved zilch in actually catching any spies.

I did say he was a bit of a blunt instrument.  He did shine the light on a few rats, at least.

But he was not really interested in going after actual Soviet Spies, this was about revenge on left wing Americans.

He had it in for a few Dems, that's for sure.  But I don't see anything to indicate he was an insincere anti-communist.

[derspiess]

Hey derspiess, random question...if the bengals win the super bowl, will you get a ring?

Maybe if I buy one, lol. 

My brother definitely would and he would've definitely earned it.  I'm just a part-time consultant/go-fer of sorts.

[grumbler]

How could they be unaware after the Rosenberg fiasco?

What was the Rosenberg fiasco?

[derspiess]

Maybe Valmy's mad they got caught? 

[Razgovory]

Were any actual Commie spies found by McCarthy?  I thought it was just leftwing Hollywood types and New Dealers.  I figured it was just revenge for all the hell the Roosevelt Administration gave the Isolationist Republican types during WWII-pretty much declaring them Fascist and Nazi sympathizers.  Turn-about is fair play and all that.

There were quite a few communists, sympathizers, and outright Soviet agents in various branches of government and throughout the entertainment industry.  This was well-known in some circles but most Americans seemed unaware.  In hindsight, McCarthy was probably too blunt an instrument for the job, but his heart was in the right place.

Anyway I don't think Christie is a bully.

I think he probably is, but in the context of New Jersey politics it's kind of a non-issue.

Being a communist is not actually a crime.  Was he able to prove anyone was actually a soviet agent?

[derspiess]

Being a communist is not actually a crime.

Given the high correlation between CPUSA membership and Soviet spying, being a communist is a red flag (of sorts) that people should know about.  And it should definitely disqualify someone from a federal government position of any importance.

Was he able to prove anyone was actually a soviet agent?

Dunno, but he sure did out a bunch of communists.