Chris Christie's Bullying, Revisited

[Jacob]

I'll go on the record as having no opinion on Chris Christie being a bully.

[Valmy]

How could they be unaware after the Rosenberg fiasco?

What was the Rosenberg fiasco?

People giving Nuclear secrets to the Soviet Union?  I figured that was a bit of a fiasco.

[Valmy]

Maybe Valmy's mad they got caught? 

Huh?  Um...touché.  I guess.

[Razgovory]

Being a communist is not actually a crime.

Given the high correlation between CPUSA membership and Soviet spying, being a communist is a red flag (of sorts) that people should know about.  And it should definitely disqualify someone from a federal government position of any importance.

Was he able to prove anyone was actually a soviet agent?

Dunno, but he sure did out a bunch of communists.

So despite all his talk about treason, you can't name any actual spies he outed?  Anyone he was able to prove actually committed treason?  Remember, his claims were that communist agents in the government were handing the communists victories, most notably in China.

[grumbler]

People giving Nuclear secrets to the Soviet Union?  I figured that was a bit of a fiasco.

Ah.  I guess we just have different definitions of "fiasco."  Not all espionage cases are fiascos to me, and certainly Rosenberg was not the only, nor was he by any means the most important, figure passing atomic secrets to the Soviets.

[Valmy]

People giving Nuclear secrets to the Soviet Union?  I figured that was a bit of a fiasco.

Ah.  I guess we just have different definitions of "fiasco."  Not all espionage cases are fiascos to me, and certainly Rosenberg was not the only, nor was he by any means the most important, figure passing atomic secrets to the Soviets.

Well whatever it was it definitely brought the issue to public attention.

[derspiess]

So despite all his talk about treason, you can't name any actual spies he outed?  Anyone he was able to prove actually committed treason?  Remember, his claims were that communist agents in the government were handing the communists victories, most notably in China.

Is this one of those Razz tricks where I answer the question and then you change your criteria from "actual spy" to "convicted spy"?  Anyway, I believe the Venona transcripts corroborated some of the people on his list. 

But even with zero evidence of espionage, communists in sensitive federal agencies represented a security risk in that day & age and it was well worth the effort to identify them.

[garbon]

But even with zero evidence of espionage, communists in sensitive federal agencies represented a security risk in that day & age and it was well worth the effort to identify them.

As well as efforts to uncover homosexuals as they represented a security risk by virtue of blackmail of their identities.

[derspiess]

As well as efforts to uncover homosexuals as they represented a security risk by virtue of blackmail of their identities.

Okay.

[Jacob]

I shouldn't be surprised that derspiess thinks favourably of McCarthyism; but somehow I still am.

[derspiess]

I shouldn't be surprised that derspiess thinks favourably of McCarthyism; but somehow I still am.

It had its excesses, but something had to be done.  Meanwhile, your Cultural Marxism never surprises me

[Malthus]

I'll go on the record as having no opinion on Chris Christie being a bully.

After he beat me up and stole my lunch money, I voted "yes".

[Valmy]

I shouldn't be surprised that derspiess thinks favourably of McCarthyism; but somehow I still am.

It had its excesses, but something had to be done.  Meanwhile, your Cultural Marxism never surprises me

Something with no tangible positive results that violates the basics of the Bill of Rights does not have to be done.  I know that seems to be a difficult concept for our politicians to swallow.

Anyway what is cultural Marxism?

[grumbler]

Well whatever it was it definitely brought the issue to public attention.

I'd say it was the execution of the Rosenbergs that made the headlines.  Klaus Fuchs gave away more important secrets for a longer period of time, and this didn't seem all that traumatic to the public.

[Malthus]

I shouldn't be surprised that derspiess thinks favourably of McCarthyism; but somehow I still am.

It had its excesses, but something had to be done.  Meanwhile, your Cultural Marxism never surprises me

Something with no tangible positive results that violates the basics of the Bill of Rights does not have to be done.  I know that seems to be a difficult concept for our politicians to swallow.

Anyway what is cultural Marxism?

A "cultural" Marxist is just like a real Marxist, only without the Marxism.