Chris Christie's Bullying, Revisited

[Jacob]

(2) a vast conspiracy of multi-culturalists, liberals, etc. - indeed, everyone in the "elite" - devoted to tearing down the sacred order of western civilization in the minds of some extreme right-wing types. An example of this sort of thing:

http://www.westernrevival.org/who_stole_our_culture.htm

Ah... so just name calling.

[derspiess]

Because that was not what he said.  He said Commies had infiltrated the government and he had a list of them.

Okay.  Communists are a security risk.  Some of them may not be spies, but their very nature as communists made them unfit for many positions in the federal government.  Are you of the opinion that communists were not security risks?

But the issue was not Commies and left-wingers but actual spies and he had no clue who they were.

Not true.  He had access to lots of FBI case info with evidence that some individuals on his list(s) could possibly be spies.

[Ed Anger]

I'd like to round up some on Languish. I have lists!

[derspiess]

(2) a vast conspiracy of multi-culturalists, liberals, etc. - indeed, everyone in the "elite" - devoted to tearing down the sacred order of western civilization in the minds of some extreme right-wing types. An example of this sort of thing:

http://www.westernrevival.org/who_stole_our_culture.htm

Ah... so just name calling.

Well, maybe a little

[Jacob]

Okay.  Communists are a security risk.  Some of them may not be spies, but their very nature as communists made them unfit for many positions in the federal government.  Are you of the opinion that communists were not security risks?

Are you or are you not in favour of abolishing the right of free association?

[derspiess]

Okay.  Communists are a security risk.  Some of them may not be spies, but their very nature as communists made them unfit for many positions in the federal government.  Are you of the opinion that communists were not security risks?

Are you or are you not in favour of abolishing the right of free association?

Not.  Next question.

[Valmy]

Okay.  Communists are a security risk.  Some of them may not be spies, but their very nature as communists made them unfit for many positions in the federal government.  Are you of the opinion that communists were not security risks?

I am of the opinion we should have been damn sure they were security risks before we violated the Constitution.  In any case most of them were former CPUSA members, the party pretty much imploded in the 30s.  That is part of what made it so ridiculous, Communism was all but dead in the US by the 50s.  I guess if you had proof they were current members of the Comintern taking their orders from Moscow then sure.

[Ed Anger]

Should have cut off their heads and hands and nailed them to the senate door.

[Sheilbh]

There were serious problems with Soviet infiltration (which didn't normally coincide with party membership). McCarthy's flamboyant, theatrical media whoring and pissant hypocrisy did far, far more harm than good to anti-communism at the time and historically.

You could almost wonder if he were on the Kremlin payroll.

[Jacob]

Not.  Next question.

Yet you advocate destroying peoples careers and branding them spies, without evidence of actual spying but rather based on their previous association.

How do you reconcile these to positions?

[derspiess]

I am of the opinion we should have been damn sure they were security risks before we violated the Constitution.  In any case most of them were former CPUSA members, the party pretty much imploded in the 30s.  That is part of what made it so ridiculous, Communism was all but dead in the US by the 50s.

CPUSA as a viable competitor in US politics was dead by then-- you're right.  But there were still plenty of communists and it's still shocking IMO that some of them infiltrated the system as far as they did, e.g. Alger Hiss.

I guess if you had proof they were current members of the Comintern taking their orders from Moscow then sure.

Wow.  I'm not talking about convicting someone on 20 counts of espionage-- I'm talking about identifying communists as security risks during the Cold War (and before, for that matter).  Communists & communist sympathizers were much more likely to spy for the Soviets.

[derspiess]

Not.  Next question.

Yet you advocate destroying peoples careers and branding them spies, without evidence of actual spying but rather based on their previous association.

How do you reconcile these to positions?

It's all about Risk Management.  Communists were risky people to put in important positions.

[Jacob]

It's all about Risk Management.  Communists were risky people to put in important positions.

No further questions.

It is clear that derspiess advocates suspending the Constitutional rights of people he dislikes. As such, it is fair to consider him Anti-American.

[Jacob]

Communists & communist sympathizers were much more likely to spy for the Soviets.

Do you have any evidence of this?

[Ed Anger]

I wasted a good Cicero reference on this crowd. Goddamn hippies.