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Nelson Mandela RIP

Started by Sheilbh, December 05, 2013, 05:07:17 PM

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Admiral Yi

Quote from: chipwich on December 06, 2013, 09:41:28 PM
I'm not savvy to the arguments about Mandela being evil. How do you respond to the AIDS thing?

I never read or heard anything about Mandela and AIDS.  I think the knock on him, to the extent there is one at all, is that he didn't speak out against his bonehead successor's beliefs and policies.

Razgovory

Quote from: Neil on December 07, 2013, 09:24:28 AM
It's sociable not to heap invective on the recently deceased.  Just accept it Raz, it's one of those facets of human behavior that you don't understand.

Seems okay thing to do on Languish, if it wasn't Tuna my still be here.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

derspiess

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 07, 2013, 04:47:40 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 07, 2013, 03:02:16 AM
Many Conservative politicians in this country opposed Mandela's efforts and called him a terrorist back in the 1980's.

How Mandela was viewed by the GOP in the 80s has little to do with how he's viewed by Languish in 2013.

I think he's saying Languish in 2013 is full of GOP leaders from the 80s. 

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Ed Anger

Quote from: derspiess on December 07, 2013, 07:27:48 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 07, 2013, 04:47:40 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 07, 2013, 03:02:16 AM
Many Conservative politicians in this country opposed Mandela's efforts and called him a terrorist back in the 1980's.

How Mandela was viewed by the GOP in the 80s has little to do with how he's viewed by Languish in 2013.

I think he's saying Languish in 2013 is full of GOP leaders from the 80s. 

I'm Pierre DuPont.

I'm Bob Dole.
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Razgovory

Quote from: derspiess on December 07, 2013, 07:27:48 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 07, 2013, 04:47:40 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 07, 2013, 03:02:16 AM
Many Conservative politicians in this country opposed Mandela's efforts and called him a terrorist back in the 1980's.

How Mandela was viewed by the GOP in the 80s has little to do with how he's viewed by Languish in 2013.

I think he's saying Languish in 2013 is full of GOP leaders from the 80s. 

I'm Pierre DuPont.

Think harder Derspeiss.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

PDH

Just think about this, Raz.  Mandela allowed people to change, to take what they were saying at the present as the truth.  He allowed people to change, to repudiate their actions as long as they lived up to their new words.  He obviously had hard feelings and pain, he obviously had anger and resentment, but he allowed people to change.

We have all been asses, we have all sponsored causes that proved to be idiotic.  Some of us have even backed such things as regimes that were evil and awful.  Still, it is important to allow humans to own up to their mistakes and use that to become better.

I am sure there are those on this board who 20 years ago did not think Mandela would be an ANC terrorist again (though most are too young to really remember), but given what he did after that those people have said that he ended up immensely important.

Or, in other words, give it a rest.  Even those whom you might imagine as his enemies have said they respect the man.

(don't bother to reply to this.  I won't engage you in a pseudo debate)
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CountDeMoney

I fully expect Fidel Castro to get some love around here as well when he passes away, PDH.

garbon

Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 07, 2013, 10:18:35 PM
I fully expect Fidel Castro to get some love around here as well when he passes away, PDH.

Aren't there some here that do that already? We already have/had the Chavez supporters.
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I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

CountDeMoney

Chavez is a douche.  El Caballo is a horse of a different color.  Chavez isn't fit to carry Castro's combat boots.

Razgovory

Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 07, 2013, 10:18:35 PM
I fully expect Fidel Castro to get some love around here as well when he passes away, PDH.

We'll find he was actually a conservative fighting against the liberals Kennedy and Batista.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Eddie Teach

Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 07, 2013, 10:18:35 PM
I fully expect Fidel Castro to get some love around here as well when he passes away, PDH.

Josephus will be mourning the loss of his American-free vacation spot.
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Eddie Teach

Quote from: Razgovory on December 07, 2013, 10:23:46 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 07, 2013, 10:18:35 PM
I fully expect Fidel Castro to get some love around here as well when he passes away, PDH.

We'll find he was actually a conservative fighting against the liberals Kennedy and Batista.

Can you really not tell the difference between Languish and the right-wing news sites that you and Hans frequent?  :hmm:
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Razgovory

Since it's immaterial, I really don't care.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Admiral Yi

As a point of fact, Batista was a liberal.

11B4V

Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 07, 2013, 10:18:35 PM
I fully expect Fidel Castro to get some love around here as well when he passes away, PDH.

Castro was a cunt, as was his henchmen Guevara.
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