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Started by Sheilbh, December 05, 2013, 05:07:17 PM

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Admiral Yi

Quote from: 11B4V on December 07, 2013, 10:50:02 PM
Castro was a cunt, as was his henchmen Guevara.

He's not that bad.  By communist standards he's a saint.

And he's a very useful object lesson on the joys of income equality.

PDH

Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 07, 2013, 10:18:35 PM
I fully expect Fidel Castro to get some love around here as well when he passes away, PDH.

The best thing I can say about Castro is that he was born the same year as my Dad.
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 07, 2013, 11:04:00 PM
And he's a very useful object lesson on the joys of income equality.

Because income inequality was so much better.

garbon

Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 07, 2013, 11:06:18 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 07, 2013, 11:04:00 PM
And he's a very useful object lesson on the joys of income equality.

Because income inequality was so much better.

Just think how much you'd be enjoying it if you were back in the saddle.
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 07, 2013, 11:06:18 PM
Because income inequality was so much better.

I thought that was self evident.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 07, 2013, 11:29:29 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 07, 2013, 11:06:18 PM
Because income inequality was so much better.

I thought that was self evident.

Not for most Cubans in the 1950's, it wasn't.

Razgovory

I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Admiral Yi

Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 07, 2013, 11:43:59 PM
Not for most Cubans in the 1950's, it wasn't.

And thus the usefulness of the object lesson.

derspiess

I wonder what Al Haig would think of Seedy's Castro fanboyism.
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: derspiess on December 08, 2013, 12:36:46 AM
I wonder what Al Haig would think of Seedy's Castro fanboyism.

I probably could've convinced him in reducing the number of monthly CIA-sponsored operations against Cuban economic interests during the Nixon Administration to about half, from 4 or 5 to maybe 2 a month.

Razgovory

Quote from: derspiess on December 08, 2013, 12:36:46 AM
I wonder what Al Haig would think of Seedy's Castro fanboyism.

What would your fellow Republicans think of you praising a Black Radical Socialist lawyer and community organizer turned President.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Razgovory

At least some Conservatives remember.

The message says "No one has commented yet". OK, so what's to say? Mandela was a cold blooded, communist, murderer. Rather redundant, to be sure, but that's the part that leftists don't want to hear anyone say because the truth hurts.

Exactly right. The MK were ruthless scum. And the ANC has set SA back decades. It's the story of Arfica.

Top commenters from the Breitbart site.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/12/07/Cornel-West-We-Are-Witnessing-the-Santa-Clausification-of-Nelson-Mandela
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

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Breitbart is no where near mainstream.
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dps

Quote from: Razgovory on December 07, 2013, 03:02:16 AM
Quote from: derspiess on December 06, 2013, 05:54:06 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 06, 2013, 12:52:03 PM
Quote from: derspiess on December 06, 2013, 11:27:09 AM
Really?  You think that's a majority view here?

No, you guys have rewritten your history on how Mandela was viewed.

Go on.

Many Conservative politicians in this country opposed Mandela's efforts and called him a terrorist back in the 1980's.

As someone pointed out earlier, terrorism is a tactic, not an ideology.  And yeah, lots of people thought that if the ANC took power, Mandela would become a 2-bit dictator like Mugabe or Amin (though not crazy like Amin).  And frankly, you were a fool if you didn't at least acknowledge that it was a possibility that he would rule as a dictator.  He proved his doubters wrong--he proved to be a better man than he could have been.  And now people, including many of those same doubters, are praising him for that.

I don't see that as re-writing history.