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Started by Sheilbh, December 05, 2013, 05:07:17 PM

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garbon

#45
December 06, 2013, 11:04:13 AM
Quote from: derspiess on December 06, 2013, 11:02:54 AM
Was it a Kwanzaa present from your aunt?  She still off the Kwanzaa?  :(

No. I think it was actually my father's.

I don't know if she is - but I know that her daughter is all about it now. I think my aunt finally gave up on having her African name.
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CountDeMoney

#46
December 06, 2013, 11:16:52 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 06, 2013, 11:04:11 AM
Quote from: PDH on December 05, 2013, 10:03:33 PM
The thing is, I am not sure they were serious missteps.  He had a militant period, but it seems pretty clear he was fighting injustice and tyranny.  When it came time to make peace, he not only did so, he worked hard to include even those who worked on the side of injustice.  The measure of the man is not that he might have fought when it was time to fight, but that he was willing to forgive when it was time to forgive.  South Africa is not Zimbabwe for a reason, and I think that is the legacy of Mandela.  Now let's see if others can live up to that.

Well said

Not really.  Posting that on Languish, PDH is endorsing a Marxist terrorist.

derspiess

#47
December 06, 2013, 11:27:09 AM
Really?  You think that's a majority view here? 
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grumbler

#48
December 06, 2013, 11:45:51 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 06, 2013, 09:47:20 AM

It's not like he was running around McVeighing up South Africa.  But Americans I have a particular disconnect when it comes to synthesizing the moral applications of violence when it comes to people who don't wear uniforms.  Violence is an option for the oppressor, never the oppressed.  Fits within their my selective notions of good and evil.
It's either Gandhi or Patton for them me, there's nothing in between.
Fixed your projection problem.
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Tamas

#49
December 06, 2013, 11:47:34 AM
One of you Languish people with money really ought to give Seedy a job.

derspiess

#50
December 06, 2013, 11:53:13 AM
I'd give him a job, but with the stipulation that he relocate to this conservative little corner of Ohio :menace:
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Siege

#51
December 06, 2013, 11:57:52 AM
I'll give Seeedy a job. Shinning my boots.



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Razgovory

#52
December 06, 2013, 12:52:03 PM
Quote from: derspiess on December 06, 2013, 11:27:09 AM
Really?  You think that's a majority view here?

No, you guys have rewritten your history on how Mandela was viewed.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

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11B4V

#53
December 06, 2013, 12:58:35 PM
Quote from: grumbler on December 06, 2013, 11:45:51 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 06, 2013, 09:47:20 AM

It's not like he was running around McVeighing up South Africa.  But Americans I have a particular disconnect when it comes to synthesizing the moral applications of violence when it comes to people who don't wear uniforms.  Violence is an option for the oppressor, never the oppressed.  Fits within their my selective notions of good and evil.
It's either Gandhi or Patton for them me, there's nothing in between.
Fixed your projection problem.

:lol: You go Seedy. Dont let the esatblished elite keep you down.
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Barrister

#54
December 06, 2013, 01:01:11 PM
Quote from: Tamas on December 06, 2013, 11:47:34 AM
One of you Languish people with money really ought to give Seedy a job.

I offered him one.  He turned me down. -_-
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Admiral Yi

#55
December 06, 2013, 01:46:59 PM
Seedy has gone full Chomsky.  You never go full Chomsky. :(

Razgovory

#56
December 06, 2013, 02:16:11 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 06, 2013, 01:46:59 PM
Seedy has gone full Chomsky.  You never go full Chomsky. :(

Hey when you worked for Phil Gramm did you ever ask him why he voted against the South African Sanctions?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Admiral Yi

#57
December 06, 2013, 02:21:47 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 06, 2013, 02:16:11 PM
Hey when you worked for Phil Gramm did you ever ask him why he voted against the South African Sanctions?

:lol: I just posted in the soccer and movie threads.  You should respond to those too.

You've been slacking the last couple weeks and you have a lot of ground to make up.

11B4V

#58
December 06, 2013, 03:55:39 PM
QuoteThe Zionist Text books where they distort and re-write history to make them the everlasting victors......yes, I have read those books too and it's full of errors and bull shit!!

Facebook  :rolleyes:
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

Valmy

#59
December 06, 2013, 04:02:34 PM
History records the Zionists as everlasting victors?  Man I would hate to know the truth about the outcome of the Bar Kokhba Revolt then.
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