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Started by Sheilbh, December 05, 2013, 05:07:17 PM

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Queequeg

#15
December 05, 2013, 05:51:10 PM
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Only by his woman was he understood
Nelson Mandela was Shaft?
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#16
December 05, 2013, 06:07:18 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on December 05, 2013, 05:51:10 PM
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Only by his woman was he understood
Nelson Mandela was Shaft?
shut your mouth
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#17
December 05, 2013, 06:21:25 PM
He worked hard advancing the cause of his people.  He deserves his rest.
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#18
December 05, 2013, 08:31:51 PM
He had some serious missteps in his life, but eventually came around to promoting peace and understanding with everyone and malice towards none.  Good in my book.
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fhdz

#19
December 05, 2013, 09:08:16 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on December 05, 2013, 08:31:51 PM
He had some serious missteps in his life, but eventually came around to promoting peace and understanding with everyone and malice towards none.  Good in my book.

When I'm 95, I sure wouldn't want anyone holding me steadfastly to the stupid things I did when I was a mere kid.

Rest in peace, Nelson. A perfect life isn't the goal; a perfect conclusion just might be.

Nota bene: my dad died in his sleep in his early sixties. I'm not likely to make 95.
and the horse you rode in on

Admiral Yi

#20
December 05, 2013, 09:13:22 PM
What are these indiscretions y'all are referring to?

dps

#21
December 05, 2013, 09:13:22 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on December 05, 2013, 08:31:51 PM
He had some serious missteps in his life, but eventually came around to promoting peace and understanding with everyone and malice towards none.  Good in my book.

Yep.

fhdz

#22
December 05, 2013, 09:20:53 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 05, 2013, 09:13:22 PM
What are these indiscretions y'all are referring to?

He co-founded the militant wing of the ANC, which bombed a bunch of government targets in the 60s.
and the horse you rode in on

Razgovory

#23
December 05, 2013, 09:55:42 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 05, 2013, 09:13:22 PM
What are these indiscretions y'all are referring to?

I'm honestly surprised you forgot.  You're older then me, you must have remembered what people were saying in the 1980's.
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PDH

#24
December 05, 2013, 10:03:33 PM
The thing is, I am not sure they were serious missteps.  He had a militant period, but it seems pretty clear he was fighting injustice and tyranny.  When it came time to make peace, he not only did so, he worked hard to include even those who worked on the side of injustice.  The measure of the man is not that he might have fought when it was time to fight, but that he was willing to forgive when it was time to forgive.  South Africa is not Zimbabwe for a reason, and I think that is the legacy of Mandela.  Now let's see if others can live up to that.
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#25
December 05, 2013, 11:07:51 PM
Quote from: fhdz on December 05, 2013, 09:20:53 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 05, 2013, 09:13:22 PM
What are these indiscretions y'all are referring to?

He co-founded the militant wing of the ANC, which bombed a bunch of government targets in the 60s.
*Shrug*
Menachem Begin was a terrorist/freedom fighter and he was awarded the Noble for peace.
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#26
December 06, 2013, 12:48:26 AM
He spent a lot of time in gaol.
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#27
December 06, 2013, 12:59:15 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 05, 2013, 09:13:22 PM
What are these indiscretions y'all are referring to?

Besides the whole "he was a commie-sympathizing terrorist in the 60s" bit (which is very true)...

As President he was completely inactive on HIV in SA, despite pretty strong evidence, which led to his successor following along the same course.

Plus there was the pretty complex relationship with Winnie, who had her own issues.
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#28
December 06, 2013, 09:19:02 AM
Quote from: PDH on December 05, 2013, 10:03:33 PM
The thing is, I am not sure they were serious missteps.  He had a militant period, but it seems pretty clear he was fighting injustice and tyranny.  When it came time to make peace, he not only did so, he worked hard to include even those who worked on the side of injustice.  The measure of the man is not that he might have fought when it was time to fight, but that he was willing to forgive when it was time to forgive.  South Africa is not Zimbabwe for a reason, and I think that is the legacy of Mandela.  Now let's see if others can live up to that.
Very well said. :cheers:
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mongers

#29
December 06, 2013, 09:31:07 AM Last Edit: December 06, 2013, 07:13:31 PM by mongers
Just copying a tweet a news reporter sent, about Peter Tatchell's assessment of Mandela:

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Peter Tatchell: Mandela ranks alongside Ghandi, but got it wrong on HIV, poverty + Mugabe
"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"
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