Cultural Learnings Of United Kingdom To Make Benefit Glorious Nation Of Hungary

Started by Tamas, December 03, 2013, 08:22:53 AM

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The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Brazen on December 04, 2013, 09:13:29 AM
Quote from: Tyr on December 04, 2013, 09:11:25 AM
Its not quite local but it is the same country...
For the time being.

Yes soon they may be two countries.
. . . except for currency, head of state, regional transport planning, foreign policy, language, etc.

This may be an outsider thing, but they already have there own football team and a parliament.  What else does independence get them aside from the dubious privilege of having to send a delegate to the UN General Assembly.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

Gups

They wouldn't share foreign or defence policy. They would set their own taxes (.e.g low corporation tax a la Eire). They would recieve the revenues from those taxes and from thieir natural resources. They will get rid of nuclear weapons. Then there are all the intangibles - pride, self-determination etc etc

That's what the SNP say anyway

The Minsky Moment

The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

Queequeg

Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Jacob

Quote from: Tamas on December 04, 2013, 09:04:49 AM
One more thing: how does a flower become "ethically sourced"? Does it get killed very gently?

You should totally aske the people selling them.

Tamas

Quote from: Jacob on December 04, 2013, 12:19:04 PM
Quote from: Tamas on December 04, 2013, 09:04:49 AM
One more thing: how does a flower become "ethically sourced"? Does it get killed very gently?

You should totally aske the people selling them.

Matters of green stuff, local produce, fair trade etc. seem to have religious significance here. I ain`t revealing my heretic tendencies to random strangers, thankyouverymuch.


crazy canuck

Quote from: Gups on December 04, 2013, 12:27:15 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 04, 2013, 12:06:25 PM
Quote from: Gups on December 04, 2013, 12:02:16 PM
They wouldn't share foreign or defence policy.

De facto that seems questionable.

Why do you say that?

Its like saying the US and Canada dont share foreign or defence policy.  There may be disagreements on the outer edges of those policies but at core they are always going to be tied to some degree by necessity.

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Gups on December 04, 2013, 12:27:15 PM
Why do you say that?

Practicality.  They share the same island, they already have integrated air and naval defense systems, not to mention production and basing facilities - it would be insane to break that all up.  There are already strong pressures for defense and foreign policy integration within Europe (see UK-France) and Scotland on its own would have no clout anyways.  So I would forsee Scotland pursuing a scare-quote "independent" foreign/defense policy in the symbolic sense -- setting up consular missions and trade promotion offices, putting the St. Andrews cross on a couple of frigates, sending grunts in tartan to the occasional peacekeeping mission -- but otherwise closely coordinating.  Based on recent experience, the days of Britain/England supporting US military ventures without any European partner are probably over in the post-Basra world, so that probably won't be a significant point of contestation.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

mongers

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 04, 2013, 03:45:46 PM
Quote from: Gups on December 04, 2013, 12:27:15 PM
Why do you say that?

Practicality.  They share the same island, they already have integrated air and naval defense systems, not to mention production and basing facilities - it would be insane to break that all up.  There are already strong pressures for defense and foreign policy integration within Europe (see UK-France) and Scotland on its own would have no clout anyways.  So I would forsee Scotland pursuing a scare-quote "independent" foreign/defense policy in the symbolic sense -- setting up consular missions and trade promotion offices, putting the St. Andrews cross on a couple of frigates, sending grunts in tartan to the occasional peacekeeping mission -- but otherwise closely coordinating.  Based on recent experience, the days of Britain/England supporting US military ventures without any European partner are probably over in the post-Basra world, so that probably won't be a significant point of contestation.

Yes, but rationality and nationalism often make strange bedfellows. 
"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

Ed Anger

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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 04, 2013, 06:01:27 PM
Spellus is owed one (1) punch to the balls for the stupid cartoon.

I don't even know how those Eastern Europeans even managed to make it this far.

http://youtu.be/jR7m-4Vc3MU

In. A. Nutshell.

mongers

Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 04, 2013, 06:13:18 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 04, 2013, 06:01:27 PM
Spellus is owed one (1) punch to the balls for the stupid cartoon.

I don't even know how those Eastern Europeans even managed to make it this far.

http://youtu.be/jR7m-4Vc3MU

In. A. Nutshell.

Fanboy's keeping the 'memories' alive ? *

Talking of which the bbc have new series beginning next week, it's the story of Byzantium. 



*very tenuous link to mention the tv programme and Spellus.
"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

Ideologue

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 04, 2013, 11:57:08 AM
Quote from: Brazen on December 04, 2013, 09:13:29 AM
Quote from: Tyr on December 04, 2013, 09:11:25 AM
Its not quite local but it is the same country...
For the time being.

Yes soon they may be two countries.
. . . except for currency, head of state, regional transport planning, foreign policy, language, etc.

This may be an outsider thing, but they already have there own football team and a parliament.  What else does independence get them aside from the dubious privilege of having to send a delegate to the UN General Assembly.

A W76 over Glasgow.
Kinemalogue
Current reviews: The 'Burbs (9/10); Gremlins 2: The New Batch (9/10); John Wick: Chapter 2 (9/10); A Cure For Wellness (4/10)

Tamas

Oh an other favourite of mine: how the relation between curtains and privacy at home is apparently lost on a lot of Britons. They. Just. Would. Not. Put. Curtains. Up.
What the hell?!!