The Government Shutdown Countdown Lowdown MEGATHREAD

[merithyn]

It's after midnight. Yay for America.

And I'm going to enroll for healthcare coverage tomorrow anyway, so suck on that all you Obama- and CdM-haters.  You want to kill me, you're going to need a bigger shutdown, fuckers.

Um... you know that all you can do tomorrow/today is fill out an application, right? I mean.... ACA doesn't go into affect until Jan 1.

So all this stamping and huffing by the Republicans about how they have to shut it down NOW is a little confusing. The only thing that "opens" tomorrow is the application process.

[Jacob]

So hey... I know there's still a chance that Boehner will pass a clean CR before he adjourns the House (unless he just did that?), so a shutdown is not 100% quite yet.

... anyhow, in two weeks there's the debt ceiling and - as I understand it - it's the real deal this time. No winging it and limping along with accounting tricks or anything like that; the debt ceiling must be raised or social security cheques and/or treasure bonds will not get paid.

How do you all feel about that? How's that going to play out?

[CountDeMoney]

Um... you know that all you can do tomorrow/today is fill out an application, right? I mean.... ACA doesn't go into affect until Jan 1.

Yes mother, I am aware of those little details. 

[merithyn]

So hey... I know there's still a chance that Boehner will pass a clean CR before he adjourns the House (unless he just did that?), so a shutdown is not 100% quite yet.

Nope. It's done. Shutdown complete. 'Murica!!

... anyhow, in two weeks there's the debt ceiling and - as I understand it - it's the real deal this time. No winging it and limping along with accounting tricks or anything like that; the debt ceiling must be raised or social security cheques and/or treasure bonds will not get paid.

How do you all feel about that? How's that going to play out?

I expect the US Government to fail to do anything, and us to default on some of our debts, causing the worldwide financial markets to teeter for a few days. Then, magically, they'll figure something out that will allow us to limp along again for another year, and the Dow will recover.

[merithyn]

Um... you know that all you can do tomorrow/today is fill out an application, right? I mean.... ACA doesn't go into affect until Jan 1.

Yes mother, I am aware of those little details.

That wasn't really directed at you, personally, as at every journalist and Republican in the US that keeps talking about how, when the exchanges open, TEH WROLD AS WE NO IT IS GOIN' TO CHANGE 4-EVER!!!

That's just ignorant.

[Razgovory]

Not obstructionism in action?

I don't understand the question.

The "defund the Iraq war" thing was theoretical, never acted on.  There was no budget crisis over it.  No actual obstruction.  This on the other hand has been acted on and precipitated a crisis and a partial government shutdown.  My understanding is that you were drawing equivalency because of principle, even if the actions and results are wildly different.  Is my understanding correct?

[Ideologue]

So hey... I know there's still a chance that Boehner will pass a clean CR before he adjourns the House (unless he just did that?), so a shutdown is not 100% quite yet.

... anyhow, in two weeks there's the debt ceiling and - as I understand it - it's the real deal this time. No winging it and limping along with accounting tricks or anything like that; the debt ceiling must be raised or social security cheques and/or treasure bonds will not get paid.

How do you all feel about that? How's that going to play out?

I hope it ends in a bloody civil war where my side wins.

[Ideologue]

Also that I survive.

[Razgovory]

So hey... I know there's still a chance that Boehner will pass a clean CR before he adjourns the House (unless he just did that?), so a shutdown is not 100% quite yet.

... anyhow, in two weeks there's the debt ceiling and - as I understand it - it's the real deal this time. No winging it and limping along with accounting tricks or anything like that; the debt ceiling must be raised or social security cheques and/or treasure bonds will not get paid.

How do you all feel about that? How's that going to play out?

In all likelihood The speaker will allow the loopier GOP members to have their little tantrum for now, but will bring a bill to deal with the debt ceiling to a vote that will get enough votes to pass the House.

[Razgovory]

I hope it ends in a bloody civil war where my side wins.

I'm sorry, but the South won't be rising again.

[Jacob]

In all likelihood The speaker will allow the loopier GOP members to have their little tantrum for now, but will bring a bill to deal with the debt ceiling to a vote that will get enough votes to pass the House.

Oh, I don't doubt they'll pass a bill to raise the debt ceiling; but it'll probably have defunding Obamacare attached to it.

[Razgovory]

In all likelihood The speaker will allow the loopier GOP members to have their little tantrum for now, but will bring a bill to deal with the debt ceiling to a vote that will get enough votes to pass the House.

Oh, I don't doubt they'll pass a bill to raise the debt ceiling; but it'll probably have defunding Obamacare attached to it.

Nah, they'll put a serious one up.  Boehner can't control his own caucus, be he can get enough of them along with Democrats to move something if absolutely required.

[Tamas]

I think this rightwing tantrum is a disgrace to the US.

I am wondering what is the point of a debt ceiling if you just raise it whenever it is inconvenient, though.

[Brazen]

Chuck Hagel's message to DoD military and civilian personnel basically says, "Sucks to be you, but thank you for your service!"

[Camerus]

Sounds like the organization I work for.  Actually, I wonder if it's possible the US govt is even more dysfunctional?