Pastor has sex with teens to cure them of homosexuality

[jimmy olsen]

Something about this story doesn't make sense.  How is homosexual sex supposed to cure you of homosexuality?

The beating aftwards has Pavlovian effects.

I feel terrible for laughing at that

[garbon]

Something about this story doesn't make sense.  How is homosexual sex supposed to cure you of homosexuality?

The beating aftwards has Pavlovian effects.

I feel terrible for laughing at that

As you should. According to Seeds, beating is an integral part of the sex act.

[Josquius]

So...the idea was to make the sex so bad they wouldn't want to do it again?

[merithyn]

Wasn't the girl experienced at sex?

We don't know the boy wasn't.

[DGuller]

So...the idea was to make the sex so bad they wouldn't want to do it again?

Eventually.  Sounds like it was a slow process.

[DGuller]

Wasn't the girl experienced at sex?

We don't know the boy wasn't.

I'm sure he was after the first 20 times.

[Ideologue]

I meant that the comparison to the Montana case is spurious.  Which, again, we don't really know that much about.  But viewing the facts of the Montana case which we do know in the light most favorable to the defendant,* which I think we have to do--they share some surface similarities, but this is really very clearly a case of resistance being overwhelmed by authority and of inability to consent.  Homosexuality can be cured through homosexuality?  This is 100% what stat rape laws are designed to stop: children who through a combination of ignorance and oppression being coerced into sex.

*Of course, all the caveats I've previously made are still in effect.  If it is more similar to this case than has been reported, well, it's more similar to this case than has been reported.

Montana - teacher has "consensual sex" with an emotionally fragile 14-year-old girl 

Iowa - pastor has "consensual sex" with an emotionally fragile 14-year-old boy

Help me out here with the difference.

The girl was reportedly having sex for pleasure, the boy in order to battle Satan.  It is completely clear in the latter case that no real consent was ever manifested, whereas in the former case it is completely unclear.

[Razgovory]

Wasn't the girl experienced at sex?

We don't know the boy wasn't.

I'm sure he was after the first 20 times.

So everyone wins!

[Valmy]

The logic is bizarre but I suspect it is a result of having minimum sentencing so draconian that the judge chickened out on it.  This is a huge problem with this sort of thing: we build this caricature of the sub-human vile sex predator and pass laws based on stopping that person...so when confronted with actual complex people that are actual sex predators we chicken out because our laws were not designed to stop them just those other people.

But it is fucked up this dude is not getting some significant jail time.  Only after that should he be getting probation with a sex offender program.

[dps]

The logic is bizarre but I suspect it is a result of having minimum sentencing so draconian that the judge chickened out on it.  This is a huge problem with this sort of thing: we build this caricature of the sub-human vile sex predator and pass laws based on stopping that person...so when confronted with actual complex people that are actual sex predators we chicken out because our laws were not designed to stop them just those other people.

But it is fucked up this dude is not getting some significant jail time.  Only after that should he be getting probation with a sex offender program.

What is the minimum in this case?  And if a judge can opt not to impose it, can it really be said to be mandatory?

[Viking]

I meant that the comparison to the Montana case is spurious.  Which, again, we don't really know that much about.  But viewing the facts of the Montana case which we do know in the light most favorable to the defendant,* which I think we have to do--they share some surface similarities, but this is really very clearly a case of resistance being overwhelmed by authority and of inability to consent.  Homosexuality can be cured through homosexuality?  This is 100% what stat rape laws are designed to stop: children who through a combination of ignorance and oppression being coerced into sex.

*Of course, all the caveats I've previously made are still in effect.  If it is more similar to this case than has been reported, well, it's more similar to this case than has been reported.

Montana - teacher has "consensual sex" with an emotionally fragile 14-year-old girl 

Iowa - pastor has "consensual sex" with an emotionally fragile 14-year-old boy

Help me out here with the difference.

I'm 100% on board with this.

But, just confirmation here, did the pastor have intercourse with the boys?

[merithyn]

I'm 100% on board with this.

But, just confirmation here, did the pastor have intercourse with the boys?

Yes, from what I understood by the news sources, he did. Multiple times over the course of many years.

[dps]

I'm 100% on board with this.

But, just confirmation here, did the pastor have intercourse with the boys?

Yes, from what I understood by the news sources, he did. Multiple times over the course of many years.

From the story in the opening post, I'm not sure that there was actual penetration.  I kind of got the impression that it was mutual masturbation.  I'm not sure it makes any difference.  Actually, I don't really think it does morally or ethically.  It might legally.

[merithyn]

From the story in the opening post, I'm not sure that there was actual penetration.  I kind of got the impression that it was mutual masturbation.  I'm not sure it makes any difference.  Actually, I don't really think it does morally or ethically.  It might legally.

There are multiple news stories that say that Girouex admitted to having had sex with the boys. I took that to mean penetration.

[Viking]

From the story in the opening post, I'm not sure that there was actual penetration.  I kind of got the impression that it was mutual masturbation.  I'm not sure it makes any difference.  Actually, I don't really think it does morally or ethically.  It might legally.

There are multiple news stories that say that Girouex admitted to having had sex with the boys. I took that to mean penetration.

I gotta go with dps here, I got the impression that it was either mutual masturbation/circle jerks or communal masturbation (no touching just jerking off while being next to each other). With his admission of sex I took that to mean the circle jerk, not anal penetration.

Though, I must say, I have no fucking clue what these overlapping, unclear and diffuse euphemisms for inappropriate conduct are supposed to mean. Because, to be honest I need some means of calibrating my outrage. Cause the communal masturbation is merely inappropriate and wierd, the mutual masturbation is bad enough, but anal rape would get me hoping there was a hell for this fucker to go to. The sentence suggests rape, the coverage suggests fondling and the leniency suggests merely exposing himself while masturbating himself.