The Top 10 Conservative Movies of the Last Decade

[Admiral Yi]

Did Republicans really oppose entry into WWII more than Democrats?  Honest question.  Virtually every book I've read has said simply "the nation was in an isolationist mood."  There was the vote on declaring war, which went 99-1 (one Democrat dissenting), but that doesn't say anything.

Korea I don't know how it played politically either.  No declaration of war, so no vote.  Never heard of Truman having any problems with appropriations.  Then Dugout Doug ran as a Republican, and he was pretty darn hawkish on the war.

[jimmy olsen]

Not true, the Republicans were far more progressive than the Democrats prior to the realignment.

Was it Republicans who passed New Deal and Great Society?

They're the ones who passed the Civil Rights Act and were the ones responsible for the saftey regulations passed after the turn of the century.

[katmai]

Uh you sure about that statement timmay?

[jimmy olsen]

Uh you sure about that statement timmay?

A much higher percentage of Republicans were in favor than Dems. The Dems got credit just because LBJ was in charge.

[Fate]

Did Republicans really oppose entry into WWII more than Democrats?  Honest question.  Virtually every book I've read has said simply "the nation was in an isolationist mood."  There was the vote on declaring war, which went 99-1 (one Democrat dissenting), but that doesn't say anything.

Korea I don't know how it played politically either.  No declaration of war, so no vote.  Never heard of Truman having any problems with appropriations.  Then Dugout Doug ran as a Republican, and he was pretty darn hawkish on the war.

From what I've read the Senate Republicans were the isolationist power center in government before 1941. The most prominent American Firsters were Midwest Republican Senators.

It seems that many of the Neutrality Acts did not have recorded roll call votes... christ, the Senate was a bunch of limp dick cowards. 

[jimmy olsen]

Did Republicans really oppose entry into WWII more than Democrats?  Honest question.  Virtually every book I've read has said simply "the nation was in an isolationist mood."  There was the vote on declaring war, which went 99-1 (one Democrat dissenting), but that doesn't say anything.

Korea I don't know how it played politically either.  No declaration of war, so no vote.  Never heard of Truman having any problems with appropriations.  Then Dugout Doug ran as a Republican, and he was pretty darn hawkish on the war.

From what I've read the Senate Republicans were the isolationist power center in government before 1941. The most prominent American Firsters were Midwest Republican Senators.

It seems that many of the Neutrality Acts did not have recorded roll call votes... christ, the Senate was a bunch of limp dick cowards. 

You do know the Dems dominated the house and senate in the 30s don't you?

[ulmont]

You do know the Dems dominated the house and senate in the 30s don't you?

Nah, those were the 3-party days.  Dixiecrats don't count.

[dps]

Raz, show me a war that conservatives were against?

Kosovo?

World War 2?

World War 1?

Oh, I see a pattern here. Any war a Democrat starts?

Gavrilo Princip and Adolf Hitler weren't Democrats.   Bill Clinton I'll grant you, but he'd probably argue that Slobodan Milosevic started it.

[DGuller]

Gavrilo Princip and Adolf Hitler weren't Democrats.   Bill Clinton I'll grant you, but he'd probably argue that Slobodan Milosevic started it.

Adolf Hitler was very ideologically similar to today's Democrats, however.

[Alatriste]

...Master and Commander, making no concessions to modern, egalitarian sensibilities, is among the most thoroughly and proudly conservative movies ever made. It imagines the [H.M.S.] Surprise as a coherent society in which stability is underwritten by custom and every man knows his duty and his place.

Plus rum, sodomy and the lash, kid soldiers, and driving a man to suicide because of superstitious fears. Paradise on Earth, I suppose... As with 'Black Hawk Down' in the other list, I wonder if they watched the same movie I did.

[Razgovory]

Uh you sure about that statement timmay?

A much higher percentage of Republicans were in favor than Dems. The Dems got credit just because LBJ was in charge.

That and more actual Democrats voted for it then Republicans voted for it.  Besides reality intruding in your statement would be correct.

[Eddie Teach]

Gavrilo Princip and Adolf Hitler weren't Democrats.   Bill Clinton I'll grant you, but he'd probably argue that Slobodan Milosevic started it.

Princip didn't start the war either, he just gave the powers that be an excuse to start it.

[Delirium]

Well, it was a long shot.

[grumbler]

Do you realize that these lists are internally inconsistent? How can you put "respect for family, tradition, religion, military" right next to "belief in individual over group"? These very ideas are exactly about the individual putting his or her freedom behind the values of the group he or she belongs to.

I noticed that incredible inconsistency as well, although the problem is with the retardation that is American conservatism, not with the accuracy of Beeb's representation.

I don't think Beeb is talking about American conservatism.  I think his list illustrates the bumper-sticker mentality that "conservatives" and liberals both adopt when they start thinking of themselves as "conservatives" or "liberals" rather than people.

In very rough terms, the political right values opportunity most highly, while the political left values justice most highly.

[grumbler]

Well, it was a long shot.

Not really, at least according to the reconstructions.