The Top 10 Conservative Movies of the Last Decade

Started by viper37, February 01, 2010, 04:53:04 PM

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Barrister

Quote from: Razgovory on February 01, 2010, 06:33:28 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 01, 2010, 06:30:14 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 01, 2010, 06:25:44 PM
For one thing, I think it's kind of nebulous what "conservative" means here.  It seems to be just what some conservatives happen to like.  David Vitter is a conservative and enjoys sex with hookers so apparently sex with hookers is a conservative value.

:rolleyes:

Sure, it's kind of nebulous what "conservative" means (just as the meaning of "liberal" is fairly elastic), but you can certainly pinpoint the vague outlines of what conservative values are:

-respect for tradition
-respect for family
-belief in the individual over the group
-religion
-support the military
-free enterprise
-self reliance

It's not than "liberals" are opposed to any of the above, but those are values more emphasized by Conservatives

Just out of curiosity could you make a list for what liberals support?

Okay, trying to be quite fair-minded...

-questioning authority and tradition
-sexual freedom
-belief in collective rights (e.g. collective bargaining)
-questioning faith
-pacifism / negotiating solutions
-government as a positive influence
-'people helping people'

Feel free to criticize - I spent 60 seconds, and tried to compare the list to my earlier list, when I didn't really design the first list in that manner...
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jimmy olsen

Quote from: Tyr on February 01, 2010, 04:58:26 PM
How is the Dark Knight in any way conservative?
If anything its anti-conservative; this radical man in black who doesn't obey the rule book and upsets the system in going against the authorities in the pursuit of what is right.

It's the conflict of order vs. chaos, what can be a more conservative message? The fact that it was all about terrorism tied it to the Bush administrations narrative in nearly every review I read.
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Martinus

Do you realize that these lists are internally inconsistent? How can you put "respect for family, tradition, religion, military" right next to "belief in individual over group"? These very ideas are exactly about the individual putting his or her freedom behind the values of the group he or she belongs to.

katmai

Quote from: Ed Anger on February 01, 2010, 06:38:23 PM
Quote from: katmai on February 01, 2010, 06:37:25 PM
You forgot spics, you asshole. :ultra:

We are all trying to forget.

We are like VD, you try to forget us, but every once and a while we come back to haunt you...or something.
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Josquius

Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 01, 2010, 06:39:38 PM

It's the conflict of order vs. chaos, what can be a more conservative message? The fact that it was all about terrorism tied it to the Bush administrations narrative in nearly every review I read.
Batman though is disorder himself. It wasn't order vs chaos. Quite the opposite, Batman was used to chaos (him) vs order (organised crime) and instead he ended up here faced by someone who just wants to watch the world burn.
Conservative Batman would stick with the police and not end up their enemy at the end, he'd play by the rule book and arrest the joker and let Dent be saw to be the criminal he was.
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Martinus

Quote from: Tyr on February 01, 2010, 06:45:26 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 01, 2010, 06:39:38 PM

It's the conflict of order vs. chaos, what can be a more conservative message? The fact that it was all about terrorism tied it to the Bush administrations narrative in nearly every review I read.
Batman though is disorder himself. It wasn't order vs chaos. Quite the opposite, Batman was used to chaos (him) vs order (organised crime) and instead he ended up here faced by someone who just wants to watch the world burn.
Conservative Batman would stick with the police and not end up their enemy at the end, he'd play by the rule book and arrest the joker.

Well, there is more than just one type of conservatism. Batman was about decisionism ("Sometimes you need to violate the order to preserve it").

Razgovory

Quote from: Martinus on February 01, 2010, 06:43:47 PM
Do you realize that these lists are internally inconsistent? How can you put "respect for family, tradition, religion, military" right next to "belief in individual over group"? These very ideas are exactly about the individual putting his or her freedom behind the values of the group he or she belongs to.

I noticed that to, but chose not to comment.  It's as confusing to me as American conservatives praising the works of Ayn Rand and then decrying the dechristianize of America.
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Ed Anger

Quote from: katmai on February 01, 2010, 06:44:50 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 01, 2010, 06:38:23 PM
Quote from: katmai on February 01, 2010, 06:37:25 PM
You forgot spics, you asshole. :ultra:

We are all trying to forget.

We are like VD, you try to forget us, but every once and a while we come back to haunt you...or something.

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Razgovory

Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 01, 2010, 06:39:38 PM
Quote from: Tyr on February 01, 2010, 04:58:26 PM
How is the Dark Knight in any way conservative?
If anything its anti-conservative; this radical man in black who doesn't obey the rule book and upsets the system in going against the authorities in the pursuit of what is right.

It's the conflict of order vs. chaos, what can be a more conservative message? The fact that it was all about terrorism tied it to the Bush administrations narrative in nearly every review I read.

Which side is conservatism on?  Order or Chaos?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Ed Anger

Quote from: Razgovory on February 01, 2010, 06:51:37 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 01, 2010, 06:39:38 PM
Quote from: Tyr on February 01, 2010, 04:58:26 PM
How is the Dark Knight in any way conservative?
If anything its anti-conservative; this radical man in black who doesn't obey the rule book and upsets the system in going against the authorities in the pursuit of what is right.

It's the conflict of order vs. chaos, what can be a more conservative message? The fact that it was all about terrorism tied it to the Bush administrations narrative in nearly every review I read.

Which side is conservatism on?  Order or Chaos?

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katmai

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DGuller

Quote from: Martinus on February 01, 2010, 06:43:47 PM
Do you realize that these lists are internally inconsistent? How can you put "respect for family, tradition, religion, military" right next to "belief in individual over group"? These very ideas are exactly about the individual putting his or her freedom behind the values of the group he or she belongs to.
I noticed that incredible inconsistency as well, although the problem is with the retardation that is American conservatism, not with the accuracy of Beeb's representation.


Sahib

Quote from: Barrister on February 01, 2010, 06:10:04 PM
http://nrd.nationalreview.com/article/?q=YWQ4MDlhMWRkZDQ5YmViMDM1Yzc0MTE3ZTllY2E3MGM=

Even the titles it shares in common with the first list, it does a much better job of explaining why they are "conservative"

Are all conservative so bitter and passive-aggresive?
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Admiral Yi

Evol corporation movies are liberal.  Manchurian Candidate remake, that African movie with Ray Feines and whatshername, Erin Brokavitch, etc.

Hard nosed cops and vigilantes are conservative, like Dirty Harry and Death Wish.