Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Tamas]

It looks like the entire Johnson's negotiating strategy is based upon the Blazing Saddles scene where the black sheriff threatens to shot himself if he's not let go.

More proof that this is exactly the masterplan:

Sky News - I've just sat down with PM in Downing Street

He's upping pressure on political opponents - suggesting they're harming his chances of a getting good deal with Brussels. He warned this generation of politicians won't be forgiven if they stop brexit

[Zanza]

This is from Steve Barclay, Brexit minister:

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The car industry's 'just in time' supply chains rely on fluid cross-Channel trade routes. >1,100 trucks filled with car parts cross seamlessly from EU into UK each day. We need to start talks now on how we make sure this flow continues if we leave without a deal.

But we are focussed on deal because we know businesses across Europe want an end to the uncertainty and to have the confidence to take advantage of the huge opportunities that trading with the UK presents.

He is part of a government that has ending the frictionless trade of the Single Market as its core policy. It is interesting to see the Tories pretending that the uncertainty is somehow and extraneous factor and not the direct consequence of their own actions.

I also wonder what there is to talk about in the no deal scenario. I am not aware of an on going WTO trade round. It almost sounds like the Brexit minister wants a deal in the case of no deal.

[Valmy]

It looks like the entire Johnson's negotiating strategy is based upon the Blazing Saddles scene where the black sheriff threatens to shot himself if he's not let go.

More proof that this is exactly the masterplan:

Sky News - I've just sat down with PM in Downing Street

He's upping pressure on political opponents - suggesting they're harming his chances of a getting good deal with Brussels. He warned this generation of politicians won't be forgiven if they stop brexit

This claim is weird. He acts like the people are desperate for Brexit but they just barely won a plebiscite several years ago based on promises and claims that do not seem to be true. Not exactly the iron-clad mandate.

[Iormlund]

This is from Steve Barclay, Brexit minister:

[...]
The car industry's 'just in time' supply chains rely on fluid cross-Channel trade routes. >1,100 trucks filled with car parts cross seamlessly from EU into UK each day. We need to start talks now on how we make sure this flow continues if we leave without a deal.

But we are focussed on deal because we know businesses across Europe want an end to the uncertainty and to have the confidence to take advantage of the huge opportunities that trading with the UK presents.

He is part of a government that has ending the frictionless trade of the Single Market as its core policy. It is interesting to see the Tories pretending that the uncertainty is somehow and extraneous factor and not the direct consequence of their own actions.

I also wonder what there is to talk about in the no deal scenario. I am not aware of an on going WTO trade round. It almost sounds like the Brexit minister wants a deal in the case of no deal.

Not just a deal. He wants a trade deal without first agreeing with the prerequisites the EU set. The cake fallacy all over again.

[Valmy]

But they are focused on getting a deal...somehow.

[Tamas]

Valmy, it has become a religion. Brexit must be delivered because Brexit must be delivered. There is now no other reason for Brexit than Brexit. Nobody is really talking about any advantages anymore. Just that it absolutely has to be done, because it was voted on 3 years ago, and it has to be done.

[Zanza]

The EU should publically offer Johnson a no strings attached extension. That would firmly place the decision to drop out without a deal in his hands.

[Richard Hakluyt]

I'm fairly sure the Johnson regime wants no-deal. Then they can get down to the important business of grinding the poor into the dirt and exploiting the skilled middle to benefit our future oligarchs. But it has to look, to the average moron, like the EU is being intransigent and vindictive. That way the tory vote and support can be maintained indefinitely.

I also think that Merkel and Macron are well aware of this and that is why they were so emolient in the recent meetings.

[Tamas]

I'm fairly sure the Johnson regime wants no-deal. Then they can get down to the important business of grinding the poor into the dirt and exploiting the skilled middle to benefit our future oligarchs. But it has to look, to the average moron, like the EU is being intransigent and vindictive. That way the tory vote and support can be maintained indefinitely.

I also think that Merkel and Macron are well aware of this and that is why they were so emolient in the recent meetings.

Probably, but then why not prorogue for the full duration?

[Threviel]

The EU should just offer a no strings attached 5 (or whatever is left) year extension well covering time after the next election, then Johnson would have to deny that publicly, which would put the blame on him or accept that there will have to be a new election before the decision is finally made.

[Richard Hakluyt]

I'm fairly sure the Johnson regime wants no-deal. Then they can get down to the important business of grinding the poor into the dirt and exploiting the skilled middle to benefit our future oligarchs. But it has to look, to the average moron, like the EU is being intransigent and vindictive. That way the tory vote and support can be maintained indefinitely.

I also think that Merkel and Macron are well aware of this and that is why they were so emolient in the recent meetings.

Probably, but then why not prorogue for the full duration?

He wants an election before the shit hits the fan, so there needs to be a vote of no confidence.

[Barrister]

I'm fairly sure the Johnson regime wants no-deal. Then they can get down to the important business of grinding the poor into the dirt and exploiting the skilled middle to benefit our future oligarchs. But it has to look, to the average moron, like the EU is being intransigent and vindictive. That way the tory vote and support can be maintained indefinitely.

I also think that Merkel and Macron are well aware of this and that is why they were so emolient in the recent meetings.

Probably, but then why not prorogue for the full duration?

Johnson's proroguing smells kind of fishy to me, but in the end it's only slightly longer than normal, and in any event Parliament has had many months to come up with some answer to Brexit and has totally failed to do so.  Parliament still gets another kick at the cat.

But if Johnson prorogued until after October 31, he ran the real risk that HM would not consent.

[Valmy]

So what he is going to no-deal Brexit and then run away and let somebody else deal with it?

[Zoupa]

The EU should just offer a no strings attached 5 (or whatever is left) year extension well covering time after the next election, then Johnson would have to deny that publicly, which would put the blame on him or accept that there will have to be a new election before the decision is finally made.

Nah. Kick them out already. The EU has other shit to deal with than playing UK politics.

[Valmy]

The EU should just offer a no strings attached 5 (or whatever is left) year extension well covering time after the next election, then Johnson would have to deny that publicly, which would put the blame on him or accept that there will have to be a new election before the decision is finally made.

Nah. Kick them out already. The EU has other shit to deal with than playing UK politics.

I think the best thing to do is just declare that the UK can leave whenever it wants (like maybe never, whatever) just for that reason. Trying to move around deadlines nobody follows just to try to influence politics is a waste of time and political capital.

The problem with just kicking them unilaterally out is the UK is still there, bordering Ireland. You don't want to fuck over Ireland if you can avoid it. Let the UK do that.