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Started by Korea, March 10, 2009, 06:24:26 AM

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Duque de Bragança

Quote from: HVC on February 19, 2021, 12:01:22 PM
mandarin is also from portuguese so that might be a tie in the the orange/portugal thing

Tangerina (Al-Gharb connection?) is the more commonly used word in Portuguese though. Brazil may be different.

As for Mandarin, the Longman refers to two etymologies, for separate meanings:

Origin mandarin 1. (1700-1800) French mandarine, from Spanish mandarina, probably from mandarín 'MANDARIN3'; perhaps because mandarins wore orange-colored clothes. 2. (1500-1600) Portuguese mandarim, from Malay menteri, from Sanskrit mantrin "adviser", from mantra; → MANTRA Mandarin (1700-1800) mandarin


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If an orange is a tangerina what is a tangerine? :hmm:
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Quote from: Tyr on February 19, 2021, 12:48:56 PM
If an orange is a tangerina what is a tangerine? :hmm:

Good thing an orange, of which there are several kinds, is not a tangerine per se, then, I guess. :P [spoiler]Tangerina is the Portuguese name of the mandarin[/spoiler]

Here is one in French for you:

a mandarine is a clémentine.  :D

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Quote from: Duque de Bragança on February 19, 2021, 01:20:21 PM
a mandarine is a clémentine.  :D

Over here mandarine is smaller than a clementine which is smaller than an orange. :P
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Is the tangerine a hybrid or a natural species?

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Quote from: Syt on February 19, 2021, 01:32:57 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on February 19, 2021, 01:20:21 PM
a mandarine is a clémentine.  :D

Over here mandarine is smaller than a clementine which is smaller than an orange. :P
I know what an orange is. I have literally no idea on the differences between mandarins, clementines, satsumas or easy-peelers :lol:

Edit: And I forgot tangerines!
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Syt

Satsuma or Mandarine has no seeds, I forget which is which :D
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Quote from: Syt on February 19, 2021, 01:32:57 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on February 19, 2021, 01:20:21 PM
a mandarine is a clémentine.  :D

Over here mandarine is smaller than a clementine which is smaller than an orange. :P

Yeah, tha'ts the crazy french thing. We switched mandarine & clementine around.
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The Larch

And nobody mentioned tangerines yet!  :P At the end of the day they're all different varieties of the same plant. The whole citrus family is a weird mix of hybrids.

Duque de Bragança

Quote from: Syt on February 19, 2021, 01:32:57 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on February 19, 2021, 01:20:21 PM
[spoiler]Here is one in French for you:[/spoiler]
a mandarine is a clémentine.  :D

Over here mandarine is smaller than a clementine which is smaller than an orange. :P


Selective quoting, I see.  :P
Fixed!

Though The Larch has yet to pick up the tangerina train.  :D

Duque de Bragança

Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 19, 2021, 01:34:24 PM
Is the tangerine a hybrid or a natural species?

Depends on the language, and language level i.e common parlance or not.

In French, for Tyr:

QuoteCLÉMENTINE, subst. fém.
Fruit comestible proche de la mandarine :
À la mandarine « commune » on préfère maintenant la « clémentine », qui s'est imposée par sa précocité, son aspermie et sa saveur très agréable.
J.-F. LEROY, Les Fruits tropicaux et subtropicaux, Paris, P.U.F., 1968, p. 66.
Prononc. : []. Étymol. et Hist. 1929 (Lar. 20e). Dér. avec suff. -ine* du nom du Père Clément qui obtint ce fruit, vers 1902, en Oranie, par croisement d'un mandarinier et d'un oranger amer (DEI).

The Larch

A tangerine is a hybrid between a mandarin and a pomelo. A clementine is a hybrid between a mandarin and a sweet orange. The sweet orange itself is also a hybrid, between pomelo and mandarin.

Basically all citrus are hybrids in different degrees of three ancestral plants, "true" mandarins, pomelos and citrons.