Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-25

[Razgovory]

This one is from 2007.

So some times, they really don't like us.

Well if it adjusts depending on what the United States happens to be doing at the time, so they disliked us when we had GWB starting wars and bringing down the economy and then like us at other times like in 2024, I think it is inaccurate to say they dislike the United States. I think it is accurate to say they dislike some actions of the United States and like others.  So maybe don't take that shit personally?

But anyway I find the notion that we should be allied to countries based not on their actions and things they have done for us, but rather based on opinion polls rather absurd.

I didn't say we shouldn't be allied with them, I said it was annoying that people who constantly denounce are militarism are ones who demand that our military protect them.

[Valmy]

I didn't say we shouldn't be allied with them, I said it was annoying that people who constantly denounce are militarism are ones who demand that our military protect them.

Actually I think the people who have been denouncing us are delighted the yankees are going home and Europe is now going to be militarized.

The people who look like fools are the people who believed in us and were our friends.

[Razgovory]

I didn't say we shouldn't be allied with them, I said it was annoying that people who constantly denounce are militarism are ones who demand that our military protect them.

Actually I think the people who have been denouncing us are delighted the yankees are going home and Europe is now going to be militarized.

The people who look like fools are the people who believed in us and were our friends.

Well the yankees are going home but I doubt Europe will be militarized.

[Valmy]

Well the yankees are going home but I doubt Europe will be militarized.

We'll see.

[crazy canuck]

I didn't say we shouldn't be allied with them, I said it was annoying that people who constantly denounce are militarism are ones who demand that our military protect them.

Actually I think the people who have been denouncing us are delighted the yankees are going home and Europe is now going to be militarized.

The people who look like fools are the people who believed in us and were our friends.

Well the yankees are going home but I doubt Europe will be militarized.

Take a look at the stock prices of European arms and steel manufacturers and then tell me again about your doubts.

[Tamas]

And I recently sold my couple of Rheinmetal stocks at a mere 20% profit

[Oexmelin]

Time to pick up Riefenstahl instead.

[The Minsky Moment]

The US committed to the security of Europe in the Cold War because it was in the US national interest to do so.
The US committed to NATO after the Cold War because it is in the US national interest to do so.
The US backed Ukraine against Russia because it is in the US national interest to do so.
The US opposes Russia because it is in the US national interest to do so.  Russia's foreign policy is oriented towards weakening American power and influence so it's not in our interest to support Russian foreign policy goals

Perhaps the saddest thing is watching the party of Nixonian realism and Reaganite peace through strength degenerate into this dickless emo high school drama diplomacy ("You were rude to me  ... you must apologize  ...I didn't get thanked enough for all I did for you . . . wah wah wah)  If anything Zelensky was overly deferential in the oval office; it would have been better for him to be even more firm. But the personal soap opera bullshit is irrelevant.  American foreign policy should be based on American interests, not on whether JD Vance is experiencing hormonal imbalances that day as part of his chemical transition from swamp rat to human.

As for the Euros what Trump never got was that there was no way they would go to 3 percent on defense spending while still buying much of their high-end equipment from the US.  The Euro defense stocks are going up not only because Euro defense spending is likely to increase, but because that spending will shift to European platforms and equipment.  There will be potential long-term implications for US programs like F-35, where unit cost savings rely on spreading development costs over overseas orders.

[Duque de Bragança]

Time to pick up Riefenstahl instead.

The Criterion Collection has Olympia, under license of the IOC.
Triumph of the Will copyrights are held in theory by the German Federal Republic. Some bootlegs or unauthorised releases exist since the BRD is not really interested in re-releasing the movie.

The "mountain" movies are not really comparable.

[Jacob]

As for the Euros what Trump never got was that there was no way they would go to 3 percent on defense spending while still buying much of their high-end equipment from the US.  The Euro defense stocks are going up not only because Euro defense spending is likely to increase, but because that spending will shift to European platforms and equipment.  There will be potential long-term implications for US programs like F-35, where unit cost savings rely on spreading development costs over overseas orders.

100% this.

I was reading a Danish article yesterday about the upcoming purchase of missile defense systems. Up until the last few weeks, it had been a "no brainer" to go for the next generation Patriots over the comparable Eurosam (I think it was), in spite of several disadvantages.

Compared to Eurosam, the disadvantage of the Patriot is/ was longer delivery times (unclear when we'd get them), crew size (the required crew size was still not clearly stated yet, but estimated to be about twice that of Eurosam if I understood correctly; which matters due to recruitment/ training). However, the two big plusses were interoperability with US forces (much less relevant now) and - even more importantly - that it put us "inside the circle" with the US, which is clearly not the case.

So yeah, I expect the market for US military products is going to shrink significantly, which will likely impact efficiencies of scale.

[Threviel]

If I understand F-35 properly every use of it requires sending the flight plan to the US and receiving a flight key which without the plane cannot operate. Israel can di this itself, but it's apparently how all other users operate.

I think not one single F-35 not already contracted will be sold outside the US.

They might further block SAAB Gripen due to it using lots of US components.

I don't know the status of the Eurofighter, but I guess that it and Rafale is what everyone will buy from now on until new 6th gens come online.

Edit: Whoopsie, apparently some things online that one reads is wrong. There is no flight key. But the US and Israel are the only countries with the source code to the thing apparently.

[crazy canuck]

The Trumpists have forgotten, or never learned, the substantial advantages the US has enjoyed by being the Military Industrial Complex for liberal democracy.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Well the yankees are going home but I doubt Europe will be militarized.

We'll see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7giYIisLuaA&ab_channel=Perun

Europe isn't unmilitarized, it's militaries are very splintered and not equipped for globe spanning operations

[chipwich]

20,000 isn't enough to dissuade a Russian horde.

[The Brain]

20,000 isn't enough to dissuade a Russian horde.

True, nothing would dissuade the GOP from wrecking America.