2024 US Presidential Elections Megathread

[Admiral Yi]

Yi Trump didn't follow any of the rules you are suggesting.  He didn't shut up and didn't moderate, he did the exact opposite. And it didn't stop him him from winning

The democrats aren't going to convince voters they deserve to govern by rolling over and hiding.🫣

Trump had the brilliant political insight that around 50% of the American electorate is made up of angry morons.  Morons who are impervious to reason.  How do you win back people who are impervious to reason, certainly don't accept your moral authority, and in fact reflexively think everything you say is a lie?

I think you do that by leaving them alone and letting them discover the value of all the principles we uphold for themselves.  Give them the time to discover fire for themselves.

It's either that or move to a deep blue state and try to secede.

Civil war is not an option because we would get bitch slapped.

[Josephus]

I don't get it.  I really don't.

[Admiral Yi]

I mean, the biggest shift was with hispanic men and Trump is openly saying he's going to round them up into camp and deport them.

Can we really do much when people just willfully vote against their own self interest like that?

The shift was with Hispanic citizens who can vote.  Trump didn't say anything about rounding them up.

One very, very easy lesson that Democrats should learn from this election is that being lax on immigration does *not* deliver the Hispanic vote.  It might deliver the Hispanic activist vote.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Quite.
Suddenly orban looks like a fucking genius

[garbon]

Trump had the brilliant political insight that around 50% of the American electorate is made up of angry morons.  Morons who are impervious to reason.  How do you win back people who are impervious to reason, certainly don't accept your moral authority, and in fact reflexively think everything you say is a lie?

I think you do that by leaving them alone and letting them discover the value of all the principles we uphold for themselves.  Give them the time to discover fire for themselves.

It's either that or move to a deep blue state and try to secede.

Civil war is not an option because we would get bitch slapped.

Ah, I get it now. While some of us can retreat selfishly into privilege, I'm not sure we all can. But yes, personally for self-preservation I can care less and let others try out the beds they made, cold comfort for those without such luxuries.

[jimmy olsen]

I mean, the biggest shift was with hispanic men and Trump is openly saying he's going to round them up into camp and deport them.

Can we really do much when people just willfully vote against their own self interest like that?

The shift was with Hispanic citizens who can vote.  Trump didn't say anything about rounding them up.

One very, very easy lesson that Democrats should learn from this election is that being lax on immigration does *not* deliver the Hispanic vote.  It might deliver the Hispanic activist vote.

He's talked about revoking birth right citizenship. He's not going to discriminate between the two.

[Admiral Yi]

Ah, I get it now. While some of us can retreat selfishly into privilege, I'm not sure we all can. But yes, personally for self-preservation I can care less and let others try out the beds they made, cold comfort for those without such luxuries.

I honestly don't know what you are talking about.  I reread my post and I can't see privilege or not caring anywhere within eyesight.

[Admiral Yi]

He's talked about revoking birth right citizenship. He's not going to discriminate between the two.

That doesn't impact Hispanic citizens either.

[chipwich]

Promise deportations?

Yes, a President should enforce the laws and protect the border; or in Trump's case make an empty promise to enforce the laws and protect the border. Much better than pretending that immigration abuse isn't a problem.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Yi Trump didn't follow any of the rules you are suggesting.  He didn't shut up and didn't moderate, he did the exact opposite. And it didn't stop him him from winning

The democrats aren't going to convince voters they deserve to govern by rolling over and hiding.🫣

They should claim the election was stolen and launch case after case. Clearly the US wants Trump so let's give them more Trump than they can handle? It's the one thing not tried yet I guess.

[chipwich]

Biden should pardon his son. if the voting public acts indifferent to criminality so should he.

[Syt]

Biden should pardon his son. if the voting public acts indifferent to criminality so should he.

Oh they care, but: "It's not a crime if our people do it."

[DGuller]

I guess we can't do anything.  Let's feel superior about ourselves, we at least know how to do that.

Let's hear some ideas from you. Go.

I already covered a lot of it, but I'll try to summarize.

• Drop the woke shit.  And drop the "what does woke even mean?  " shit
• Recognize that when it comes to woke shit, people don't feel free to say what's on their mind.  Stop that.
• Don't martyr yourself on issues where you think you're in the right, but which are unpopular.  Make sure you give yourself the chance to understand when your issues are unpopular, so don't intimidate people into agreeing with you so they don't get canceled.
• Stop ticking demographic boxes.  The reason Democrats were stuck with Kamala traces back to Biden's decision in 2020 to have a woman VP.  Turns out limiting the pool of talent can backfire on you later.
• Allow for the possibility that Fox News sometimes taps into a legitimate grievance, even with illegitimate talking points.  Pay attention sometimes, don't reflexively mock.

[garbon]

Ah, I get it now. While some of us can retreat selfishly into privilege, I'm not sure we all can. But yes, personally for self-preservation I can care less and let others try out the beds they made, cold comfort for those without such luxuries.

I honestly don't know what you are talking about.  I reread my post and I can't see privilege or not caring anywhere within eyesight.

You've asked the Democrats to keep quiet and let people work out for themselves why they should value things the Democrats value. Waiting it out is entirely the perogative of the privileged. For those who have already had their rights eroded or are in the firing line, just waiting can hardly seem like a viable option.

[Admiral Yi]

You've asked the Democrats to keep quiet and let people work out for themselves why they should value things the Democrats value. Waiting it out is entirely the perogative of the privileged. For those who have already had their rights eroded or are in the firing line, just waiting can hardly seem like a viable option.

If by speaking up you think you will change minds for the better, by all means do so.  I think it will do the opposite.