2024 US Presidential Elections Megathread

[HVC]

What does *more pragmatic* look like?

I sincerely think that the first woman president will have to be a republican. Only way to win over the south and fly over states. Even the female voters within.

They aren't going to ever nominate a woman, are you crazy?

I don't know, maybe Trumps grand daughter or something

Unlike CdM I think America will get a woman president eventually, just don't think it'll be a democrat.

[Valmy]

Unlike CdM I think America will get a woman president eventually, just don't think it'll be a democrat.

Yeah yeah. Yi said that about a black President as well.

[Valmy]

Surging right in the 30s and 40s?  WTF are you talking about?

I think he is referring to extremist forces during the depression.

[HVC]

Unlike CdM I think America will get a woman president eventually, just don't think it'll be a democrat.

Yeah yeah. Yi said that about a black President as well.

Black women vote for a black man, did black men vote for a black woman? Legitimate question, but I guess that stat will have to wait for exit polls to be tabulated. 

*edit* wait, Yi said that the republicans would nominate a black man? That's quite an out there prediction.

[Admiral Yi]

I hope the age of misogyny angle gets some examination out of this. I do think its quite the cornerstone factor of everything here.
As the power of women in the world rises, factually they're increasingly the ones getting the good education, the jobs (albeit not the TOP jobs), etc... whilst traditional "mens work" and "values" collapses...this has a lot of men pissed off and jumping to reactionary nonsense.
Harris being a woman was an issue in itself but it also helped tie her to the trash about "woke" gender changing immigrants eating dogs in schools. Also she was Caliofornian. That's not good for reactionaries.

I have seen examinations in Europe of how this is the way things are increasingly diverging here... But nothing from an American angle yet.

That's great.  Is there a way we use this knowledge to get more votes?

[Valmy]

Unlike CdM I think America will get a woman president eventually, just don't think it'll be a democrat.

Yeah yeah. Yi said that about a black President as well.

Black women vote for a black man, did black men vote for a black woman? Legitimate question, but I guess that stat will have to wait for exit polls to be tabulated. 

*edit* wait, Yi said that the republicans would nominate a black man? That's quite an out there prediction.

Long ago he said he thought the first black president would be a Republican. For largely the same logic I think.

[Admiral Yi]

*edit* wait, Yi said that the republicans would nominate a black man? That's quite an out there prediction.

I think I might have said the first black president would be a Republican.

[HVC]

Unlike CdM I think America will get a woman president eventually, just don't think it'll be a democrat.

Yeah yeah. Yi said that about a black President as well.

Black women vote for a black man, did black men vote for a black woman? Legitimate question, but I guess that stat will have to wait for exit polls to be tabulated. 

*edit* wait, Yi said that the republicans would nominate a black man? That's quite an out there prediction.

Long ago he said he thought the first black president would be a Republican. For largely the same logic I think.

I mean republicans at least kind of like women, especially (now) if they're crazy. Can't  say the same thing about their overall view of African Americans.

[jimmy olsen]

Millions of Hispanic citizens are citizens because of birthright citizenship.

And Trump said this would be applied retroactively?  Then OK, they just fucked themselves.

I would like you to take note of how you feel when I concede your point and consider picking up the habit yourself.

Sorry if I came off in a confrontational way. Didn't mean to offend.

I believe it was written down in plan 2025. So, I will concede it more likely that Vance or one of his minions came up with it.

And of course as Tamas, said, the legalities of it all won't really matter

[Valmy]

I mean republicans at least kind of like women, especially (now) if they're crazy. Can't  say the same thing about their overall view of African Americans.

I don't think so. Haley was the most successful one I have seen so far and she didn't do great.

But we'll see. I am skeptical though. The Republicans clearly know what they want: strong alpha male dude.

[Admiral Yi]

I think he is referring to extremist forces during the depression.

The German American Bund?  That was a couple thousand people.  Not very surgy.

The rise and fall of the influence of the Klan would be a much better case study.

[Valmy]

I think he is referring to extremist forces during the depression.

The German American Bund?  That was a couple thousand people.  Not very surgy.

The rise and fall of the influence of the Klan would be a much better case study.

The Klan got demolished by the depression and then put out of its misery by Roosevelt so not really.

Maybe the America First movement?

[Admiral Yi]

Sorry if I came off in a confrontational way. Didn't mean to offend.

You didn't.  I'm not offended.  Failure to concede points is just part of what I see as the greater trend of decaying manners that I would like to see reversed.

[Admiral Yi]

The Klan got demolished by the depression and then put out of its misery by Roosevelt so not really.

Maybe the America First movement?

Wasn't the heyday of the Klan around the time of Wilson's administration?  I'm operating on imperfect information but I thought they had ceased to be an important factor in national politics long before the Depression.  How did the Depression demolish them?  All unemployed and couldn't afford sheets and crosses?

I just wikied America First.  Gerald K. Smith got 1,780 votes in the 1944 election.

[Admiral Yi]

I believe it was written down in plan 2025. So, I will concede it more likely that Vance or one of his minions came up with it.

To clarify, are you saying that plan 2025 says birthright citizenship should be stripped *retroactively*?