2024 US Presidential Elections Megathread

[DGuller]

I do recall reading a Reddit poster who was an Ohio Republican voting for Harris.  He implored the others on that liberal subreddit to please not argue politics with their Republican friends who may be on the fence, because he saw multiple times how it snaps them back into Trump territory.  There is something to be said about not triggering people's defensiveness and letting them arrive at a conclusion on their own.

[garbon]

I do recall reading a Reddit poster who was an Ohio Republican voting for Harris.  He implored the others on that liberal subreddit to please not argue politics with their Republican friends who may be on the fence, because he saw multiple times how it snaps them back into Trump territory.  There is something to be said about not triggering people's defensiveness and letting them arrive at a conclusion on their own.

I think it would be a mistake (and patronising) to suggest most voters didn't vote based on their own conclusions but simply as they were "triggered."

[garbon]

You've asked the Democrats to keep quiet and let people work out for themselves why they should value things the Democrats value. Waiting it out is entirely the perogative of the privileged. For those who have already had their rights eroded or are in the firing line, just waiting can hardly seem like a viable option.

If by speaking up you think you will change minds for the better, by all means do so.  I think it will do the opposite.

Not speaking up is a good way to convince one's allies that you don't support them.

[Admiral Yi]

Not speaking up is a good way to convince one's allies that you don't support them.

If supporting your allies is a higher priority than winning elections, go for it.  My priorities are different.

[Tamas]

I do recall reading a Reddit poster who was an Ohio Republican voting for Harris.  He implored the others on that liberal subreddit to please not argue politics with their Republican friends who may be on the fence, because he saw multiple times how it snaps them back into Trump territory.  There is something to be said about not triggering people's defensiveness and letting them arrive at a conclusion on their own.

I think it would be a mistake (and patronising) to suggest most voters didn't vote based on their own conclusions but simply as they were "triggered."

Yeah, especially as they see themselves the "no nonsense" side, I am not keen to walk on egg shells lest I disturb he delicate mental balance of people voting fascist.

[jimmy olsen]

He's talked about revoking birth right citizenship. He's not going to discriminate between the two.

That doesn't impact Hispanic citizens either.

Millions of Hispanic citizens are citizens because of birthright citizenship.

[Admiral Yi]

I think it would be a mistake (and patronising) to suggest most voters didn't vote based on their own conclusions but simply as they were "triggered."

Patronizing is built into it.  They're morons.

[Admiral Yi]

Millions of Hispanic citizens are citizens because of birthright citizenship.

And Trump said this would be applied retroactively?  Then OK, they just fucked themselves.

I would like you to take note of how you feel when I concede your point and consider picking up the habit yourself.

[Tamas]

Millions of Hispanic citizens are citizens because of birthright citizenship.

And Trump said this would be applied retroactively?  Then OK, they just fucked themselves.

I would like you to take note of how you feel when I concede your point and consider picking up the habit yourself.

The real way they fucked themselves is that if deportations and/or other hostile acts begin, they will be just some brown-faced people to the racists like they have always been. In the racists' eyes, their untermensch status will be made official whether they have paperwork to keep them in the country or not.

[Solmyr]

I'm calling it, there is just nothing going Kamala's way, nothing at all.  Every update is just an additional nail in her coffin.  The left really needs to get its shit together and decide whether it wants to win elections or signal its virtues.

Well, courting Republicans clearly hasn't worked, so next time maybe try going for more left-wing voters?

[Josquius]

I hope the age of misogyny angle gets some examination out of this. I do think its quite the cornerstone factor of everything here.
As the power of women in the world rises, factually they're increasingly the ones getting the good education, the jobs (albeit not the TOP jobs), etc... whilst traditional "mens work" and "values" collapses...this has a lot of men pissed off and jumping to reactionary nonsense.
Harris being a woman was an issue in itself but it also helped tie her to the trash about "woke" gender changing immigrants eating dogs in schools. Also she was Californian. That's not good for reactionaries.

I have seen examinations in Europe of how this is the way things are increasingly diverging here... But nothing from an American angle yet.

[Gups]

I guess we can't do anything.  Let's feel superior about ourselves, we at least know how to do that.

Let's hear some ideas from you. Go.

I already covered a lot of it, but I'll try to summarize.

• Drop the woke shit.  And drop the "what does woke even mean?  " shit
• Recognize that when it comes to woke shit, people don't feel free to say what's on their mind.  Stop that.
• Don't martyr yourself on issues where you think you're in the right, but which are unpopular.  Make sure you give yourself the chance to understand when your issues are unpopular, so don't intimidate people into agreeing with you so they don't get canceled.
• Stop ticking demographic boxes.  The reason Democrats were stuck with Kamala traces back to Biden's decision in 2020 to have a woman VP.  Turns out limiting the pool of talent can backfire on you later.
• Allow for the possibility that Fox News sometimes taps into a legitimate grievance, even with illegitimate talking points.  Pay attention sometimes, don't reflexively mock.

I don't really disagree with this but it seems to require that Dems act as a monolithic block. For example, it doesn't much matter if 80% of Dems drop the "woke shit". If 20% don't then, it provides sufficient ammunition for Trump etc to attack.

[Solmyr]

What does *more pragmatic* look like?

I sincerely think that the first woman president will have to be a republican. Only way to win over the south and fly over states. Even the female voters within.

They aren't going to ever nominate a woman, are you crazy?

[Tamas]

Good point, Gups. I totally didn't get any "woke" shit being forced by the mainstream of the Democratic party, unless opposing mass deportations, and being pro-choice on abortion count.

FFS, it only took one ugly boxing lady on the Olympics for the right to see it proven that woke agenda has ruined everything.

When the left actually defeat a surging right in the 30s and 40s it did so by standing up to it AND bribing people into voting for them. Do that, not the "ah, ok, you disagree with me. I'll shut up then" act DG and Yi seem to advocate.

[Admiral Yi]

Surging right in the 30s and 40s?  WTF are you talking about?