2024 US Presidential Elections Megathread

[DGuller]

Given my vast political knowledge ( ) I don't think it's the DEI stuff necessarily. Sure it might swing some of the fringe ends, but the main motivator is I think people are angry (or at least moody). Things are getting more expensive and wages aren't keeping up. The GOP is the party for angry people, as emblematized by the orange whiner in chief.

Yeah, Democrats got some bad cards, but it's not like GOP got dealt aces, they had Trump.  The warning was blaring very loudly in 2020 that they've lost some people.  They should've swept everything but barely eked out anything.  I really hope that the reaction of the left to second term of Trump would be a lot more pragmatic than the reaction to the first one.

[Oexmelin]

What does *more pragmatic* look like?

[HVC]

What does *more pragmatic* look like?

I sincerely think that the first woman president will have to be a republican. Only way to win over the south and fly over states. Even the female voters within.

[DGuller]

What does *more pragmatic* look like?

Less wokism, more freedom from consequences of speech (so if nothing else you actually find out before elections that people understand what "woke" means, and that a lot of them even in your camp don't really like it).

[Zoupa]

So I watched a bit of ABC news and I'm sorry to say that my 300 EV, +10 million vote differential for Harris might be just sliiiiiiiiiiiiightly off.

This is crazy. Americans truly are a nation of morons. Still, she might still pull off the blue wall.

[Zanza]

Disheartening

[The Minsky Moment]

DEI was already well entrenched in the corporate world during the Bush presidency.  Nobody cared a damn thing about it until Ron DeSchmuckis and Fox News made it into a buzzword. Just like "Critical Race Theory" had a run for a bunch of months and then everyone forgot about it again.  It has zero to do with what happened in this election.  No one came into the booth saying my top priority is to stop DEI. 

[Oexmelin]

Less wokism, more freedom from consequences of speech (so if nothing else you actually find out before elections that people understand what "woke" means, and that a lot of them even in your camp don't really like it).

I know these are your pet peeves, but none of that matters as long as the Democrats defer to Republican talking points. There could be a single instance of "woke gone wild" in the whole country, and it would still be whipped up as the most dangerous development in America by talk radio and FoxNews.

At some point, Democrats need to get rid of the delusion that their accomplishments speak for themselves.

[Admiral Yi]

The Democrats came to the realization, too late in the cycle, that their position on immigration is a loser.  That's something they could give up.

[DGuller]

DEI was already well entrenched in the corporate world during the Bush presidency.  Nobody cared a damn thing about it until Ron DeSchmuckis and Fox News made it into a buzzword. Just like "Critical Race Theory" had a run for a bunch of months and then everyone forgot about it again.  It has zero to do with what happened in this election.  No one came into the booth saying my top priority is to stop DEI. 

I disagree strongly with this, because for one the E in DEI was a fairly recent addition, but that wasn't even the point I was making.  People coming into the booth probably were reciting some Fox News bullshit, but they got into that rabbit hole to begin with because sometime before that they were alienated by stuff like DEI and became receptive to the pitch from the right. 

[DGuller]

Less wokism, more freedom from consequences of speech (so if nothing else you actually find out before elections that people understand what "woke" means, and that a lot of them even in your camp don't really like it).

I know these are your pet peeves, but none of that matters as long as the Democrats defer to Republican talking points. There could be a single instance of "woke gone wild" in the whole country, and it would still be whipped up as the most dangerous development in America by talk radio and FoxNews.

At some point, Democrats need to get rid of the delusion that their accomplishments speak for themselves.

They are not just my pet peeves, though, and I really think that a lot of people on the left just don't get it.  Just because Fox News latches onto something doesn't mean that they're not tapping into a resentment that's real.  Just keep swatting away any discussion, keep talking about what a nothingburger it is, keep asking what "woke" even means, let's see how that continues to work out.  However, let's not, I have to live in this country, and I really think it's better when Democrats get elected.

[Admiral Yi]

I'm with DGuller on DEI.

[chipwich]

Less wokism, more freedom from consequences of speech (so if nothing else you actually find out before elections that people understand what "woke" means, and that a lot of them even in your camp don't really like it).

I know these are your pet peeves, but none of that matters as long as the Democrats defer to Republican talking points. There could be a single instance of "woke gone wild" in the whole country, and it would still be whipped up as the most dangerous development in America by talk radio and FoxNews.

At some point, Democrats need to get rid of the delusion that their accomplishments speak for themselves.

They are not just my pet peeves, though, and I really think that a lot of people on the left just don't get it.  Just because Fox News latches onto something doesn't mean that they're not tapping into a resentment that's real.  Just keep swatting away any discussion, keep talking about what a nothingburger it is, keep asking what "woke" even means, let's see how that continues to work out.  However, let's not, I have to live in this country, and I really think it's better when Democrats get elected.

Well you see it's all Andrew Tate's fault.

[Razgovory]

She's running behind in the some of the college towns in the midwest.  Not by huge percentage margins, but by enough to costs here thousands of votes per county.  Ironic but it seems that the pro-Palestinian campus activists and their allies are taking the same side as Otto in this election.  I expect they both will be badly disappointed but for different reasons.  We'll see soon enough.

Well, all the bright side Trump is promising to deport "pro-Hamas" radicals, so quite a few of their fellow students and professors won't stir up trouble for us next time.  This is the 2nd time the Palestinians have fucked us.  First they kill Kennedy and now this.

[The Minsky Moment]

The Democrats came to the realization, too late in the cycle, that their position on immigration is a loser.  That's something they could give up.

I don't agree with this either, I think that issue did very little other than to reinforce existing entrenched positions.  The issue did hurt Harris was the price rise.

The politics of immigration is going to change soon.  There is an extreme and very rapid demographic transition going in Latin America right now. Birth rates are collapsing at extraordinary speed. The days of mass migration north are numbered. That demographic transition is similar to the one already affecting Europe and nearly all of Asia.  The US is an outlier but even here the existing native population is below replacement rate. The failure to maintain high levels of legal immigration, focused both on immigrants with high level skills and education AND lower skill workers to fill key service shortages is going to very costly over the medium and long term.