TV/Movies Megathread

[Josquius]

The problem with DC was that Nolan was a poisoned chalice. People liked those films, which were dark and gritty, so that must be what people like. All DC movies must now be dark and gritty.Marvel almost went too much the other way where there has to a joke a minute.


I agree with BB that it's just too much, in so far as that the volume has lowered quality. If there were a lot and they were good then maybe it'd be different. Star Wars faces the same issue. If people like one they must like them all, right? Let's glut the market.

Although unlike him I liked moon knight.

It's one of the particularly dumb things with comic films that marvel is the one with the big bright and colourful special effects laden save the world spectaculars whilst DC has all the dark and gritty fight your inner daemons malarkey.

Total opposite of comics.

With DC I've no real idea. I've never been a big fan of Snyder (except for the owl film which is great I feel like it's a bit Antz v Bug's Life and there were two owl films out at the same time  ) so never really watched them. I like most of the recent Batman films. Having said all that I went to see Blue Beetle and really enoyed it - had no idea what it was going to be like/about but in part I think it was partly fun precisely because it didn't feel like part of some giant universe of IP (I'm sure it is from a comic book perspective).

I've not seen blue beetle and won't until some future catch it on streaming date.

But I agree more stand alone super heroes would be good.

This shared universe stuff should be an added extra. A wink and a nod for occasional special cross over events. For world scale heroes its just dumb - the old why do you need the justice league when superman can just sneeze and save the earth.

[Tamas]

Binging Peaky Blinders and I am now on season 4.  Everyone else in the CC household watched it on release of each season.  They all recommended it, and now I am enjoying it.

It gets dark, but that is part of the attraction.  There are very few redeemable characters, but unlike succession, there are a few.

I am enjoying it thoroughly.

My gf recently watched that the whole way through. I've tried. I've watched the first ep or two numerous times over the years. But it just won't click.

CHURCHILL AT VERDUN.

[Darth Wagtaros]

Yeah, and DC did it with Superman. Batman could be arguably done that way. But Superman? The most powerful hero, who always embodied hope sitting around bars morosely caught up in existential angst? 

DC's animated stuff, especially their movies, have been great.  Their live action TV shows may start out good but get CWized (which is Flandersizationx10) quickly.

Marvel and Star Wars are being handled the same way. Everything is interconnected, and everything is being vomited out as quickly as possible.  I liked Ms Marvels, but feel no desire to see The Marvels. 

[Syt]

Yeah, and DC did it with Superman. Batman could be arguably done that way. But Superman? The most powerful hero, who always embodied hope sitting around bars morosely caught up in existential angst? 

[Darth Wagtaros]

That is something that is often missed, especially in the comic book focused commentators. Comic books as an industry and a media form have been circling the drain for a long time. Were it not for the renaissance from the MCU they'd be even more on life support than the already are.  The labels NEED to appeal to new audiences.  Especially as the cost per issue goes up and up.

I'm pretty sure that comic books themselves are entirely incidental to them as a giant IP source for movies and television.

Yes, like I said, comic books as a media form are on their last legs and unlikely to make a recovery. But I still think they are trying to get new audiences for them.

[Darth Wagtaros]

Superman III was garbage. That cyborg scene gave me nightmares for weeks. Otherwise it was trash.

[Josquius]

That is something that is often missed, especially in the comic book focused commentators. Comic books as an industry and a media form have been circling the drain for a long time. Were it not for the renaissance from the MCU they'd be even more on life support than the already are.  The labels NEED to appeal to new audiences.  Especially as the cost per issue goes up and up.

I'm pretty sure that comic books themselves are entirely incidental to them as a giant IP source for movies and television.

Yes, like I said, comic books as a media form are on their last legs and unlikely to make a recovery. But I still think they are trying to get new audiences for them.

Define comic books.

The old school cheap and cheerful weekly magazines are just as fucked as the magazine market in general.

But honestly graphic novels seem a much bigger thing these days in the UK at least than they ever used to be.

[Duque de Bragança]

Superman III was garbage. That cyborg scene gave me nightmares for weeks. Otherwise it was trash.

What about Nuclear Man in Superman IV? 

[Jacob]

Yeah, the "graphic novel" format seems to be thriving - at least creatively. I can't speak to whether they're a massive commercial success, but there are a large variety of graphic novel type releases on the market. Old classics are getting rereleased as well and are much more available (in English) than they were in previous decades. I'm seeing older Euro comics available in stores that previously weren't, as well.

Comics are far from dead, even if American weekly four colour comics may be a dying format.

[Barrister]

Superman III was garbage. That cyborg scene gave me nightmares for weeks. Otherwise it was trash.

Superman IV was worse.

[Sheilbh]

Total aside but on old school American comics - if you haven't read it, I'd recommend The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay by Michael Chabon to everyone. Fantastic book on the comics of the 30s and 40s and I think one that would make an incredible film or TV adaptation (I'd lean TV because it's quite big).

[celedhring]

SAG has finally reached a tentative agreement with the studios, details will be published tomorrow once their board approves the deal. This puts an end to the Hollywood strikes that started back in May - it's been quite the year for labor strife in the US.

I hope they managed to get most of their demands - particularly in the AI field. That seems an existential threat for the "regular joe" actor.

[Josquius]

Its been a curious time. Occasionally turn on a chat show to find them saying "Oh you were great in that show we can't talk about. So moving on. You're in a play".
Like we've all gone super high brow.

[viper37]

I hope they managed to get most of their demands - particularly in the AI field. That seems an existential threat for the "regular joe" actor.

In The Runningman, they generate fake images of their prisoner after he escapes the circuit.
We might not be too far off from that.

[Sheilbh]

On Marvel, first review I've seen for The Marvels is one star:

To say The Marvels is hard to watch would be to risk understatement. It's not just that it's not very good. It is hard to watch in the sense that a tree is hard to defibrillate.