Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-23 and Invasion

[Legbiter]

Also remember there were mulitiple examples of Russian amoured vehicles and tanks shown being destroyed at the stat of the war by the Ukrainians. If the best the Russians can do is just this example, then the Ukranians can't be doing too badly.

Vatniks just released photos of 2 Bradley mobility kills on social media (seem to have hit mines). That's just it, counteroffensives are bloody harrowing affairs. Second battle of El Alamein the 9th Armoured Brigade took enormous casualties to breach the line on the 10th day. The Allies fought for 7 weeks through bocage country in Normandy before they broke through, etc.

[Tamas]

Weird shit of the day: it has been confirmed by the vice-PM of Hungary that the Russian Orthodox church (!) has transferred 11 Ukrainian POWs to Hungary(!) on the request of the Hungarian government(!). They are from the border region of Ukraine so I assume they are ethnic Hungarians (but Ukrainian citizens).

Ukraine apparently was not consulted or even informed on this, they learned about it from the news.

[Legbiter]

Ukrainians seem to have recovered the destroyed Leo from yesterday and will repair it. According to them the crew survived.

https://twitter.com/MarkHertling/status/1667166282825777154

[Iormlund]

The Machine Spirit lives. Blessed be thy blow-out panels.

[Barrister]

Ukrainians seem to have recovered the destroyed Leo from yesterday and will repair it. According to them the crew survived.

https://twitter.com/MarkHertling/status/1667166282825777154

This kind of thing could be the bigger difference maker.

The Russians not only lost so many pieces of equipment, they appeared to just abandon them, whereas hopefully the Ukrainians have more of a plan to repair / refurbish.  This goes for soldiers as well.

[Zanza]

Destroyed Bradleys and Leopards:

I guess we just have to send more then.

[Jacob]

Destroyed Bradleys and Leopards:

I guess we just have to send more then.

Yeah I suppose that's the reasonable response.

[DGuller]

Destroyed Bradleys and Leopards:

I guess we just have to send more then.

Is that the same ambush or a different one?

[Grey Fox]

AFAIK, it's all the same.

[Zanza]

No idea. The comments on this one claimed a helicopter attack.

[grumbler]

Yeah, I know you're smarter than that and wouldn't really delude yourself in such a way. Its a  "I've got better things to do than play the Grumbler game".

Ah, the old ad hom concession.  When done as a weasel dance like this, it's a good show.

[grumbler]

No idea. The comments on this one claimed a helicopter attack.

That is what it looks like to me, as well.  They'd not be in road column close to the front.  Several appear to be disabled, but others just look abandoned.  Crews might bail if they are under air attack and have nothing to defend themselves with.

[Legbiter]

Looks like a couple of the Bradleys have thrown treads. Mines?  All of them look recoverable. No carbonized crew laying around and the Leo has not done a turret toss.

[grumbler]

Looks like a couple of the Bradleys have thrown treads. Mines?  All of them look recoverable. No carbonized crew laying around and the Leo has not done a turret toss.

Evidence of mines was the first thing I thought of, because, like you, I found the tread loss suggestive. But several of the vehicles have no evidence of damage, and two of the Bradleys are facing the opposite direction of the other vehicles, which implies to me evasive driving, which you wouldn't do in a minefield.  That's why I concluded air attack.

[mongers]

Weird shit of the day: it has been confirmed by the vice-PM of Hungary that the Russian Orthodox church (!) has transferred 11 Ukrainian POWs to Hungary(!) on the request of the Hungarian government(!). They are from the border region of Ukraine so I assume they are ethnic Hungarians (but Ukrainian citizens).

Ukraine apparently was not consulted or even informed on this, they learned about it from the news.

And likely against the Geneva conventions