Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-25

[Josquius]

I've no idea what the hell the Chinese guy was even trying to say there. It made no sense.

He was saying borders and sovereignty are negotiable.

Oh sure, I get the actual meaning.
What I don't get is the excuse he hiding behind. What kind of international accord does he expect? Do other countries have these?

[Hamilcar]

I've no idea what the hell the Chinese guy was even trying to say there. It made no sense.

He was saying borders and sovereignty are negotiable.

This seems in line with Russia's view of borders and sovereignty.

[Sheilbh]

Oh sure, I get the actual meaning.
What I don't get is the excuse he hiding behind. What kind of international accord does he expect? Do other countries have these?

Yeah it's Kosovo or not basically. Do you have the agreement and a formal secession involving the country you're seceding from or is it in some unilateral or not settled following collapse of a bigger union? It seems to me like China is trying to find a legal pathway for tolerating the seizing of Ukraine's sovereign territory without impacting its Taiwan's claim (because, of course, from a Chinese legalist perspective Taiwan is seizing Chinese sovereign territory). If separation and borders aren't formally accepted by both sides then it's not concretised.

Not sure how it plays with Ukraine specifically but the Baltic states did not enter into agreements with Russia after the collapse of the USSR (I think Ukraine did) because the Baltic position is that they were not Soviet Republics becoming independent or "new", rather they were the inheritor republics of those extinguished unlawfully by the Soviets in 1940.

[Duque de Bragança]

I've no idea what the hell the Chinese guy was even trying to say there. It made no sense.

He was saying borders and sovereignty are negotiable.

Not those of China obviously or possibly Russia, unless it's acquisitions, naturally. 

[Crazy_Ivan80]

The Baltic states should open embassies in Taiwan as apparently sovereignty is not a requirement anymore.

I can see that happening in the near future as the west internalizes the reality that China is an enemy.

[Tamas]

The Baltic states should open embassies in Taiwan as apparently sovereignty is not a requirement anymore.

I can see that happening in the near future as the west internalizes the reality that China is an enemy.

I suspect there's way too much money changing hands legally and otherwise between European and Chinese business and political circles for that to happen before it's way too late.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

The Baltic states should open embassies in Taiwan as apparently sovereignty is not a requirement anymore.

I can see that happening in the near future as the west internalizes the reality that China is an enemy.

I suspect there's way too much money changing hands legally and otherwise between European and Chinese business and political circles for that to happen before it's way too late.

Obviously.

[Jacob]

The Baltic states should open embassies in Taiwan as apparently sovereignty is not a requirement anymore.

IIRC wasn't one of them already on the brink of that after really pissing China off in recent years and then standing up to them rather than caving? Latvia maybe? Could be Lithuania.


I've no idea what the hell the Chinese guy was even trying to say there. It made no sense.

I thinking there's a shift in Chinese thinking towards "areas that once belonged to a great imperial civilizational polity always belong to that polity, even if they claim some sort of independence at times."

[Duque de Bragança]

So after Taiwan, (Outer) Mongolia?

[Jacob]

So after Taiwan, (Outer) Mongolia?

I don't think the CCP would be adverse to gobbling that up, along with bits of Vietnam and Korea, if they felt they could get away with it.

[Josquius]

So after Taiwan, (Outer) Mongolia?

Vladivostok

[Duque de Bragança]

So after Taiwan, (Outer) Mongolia?

Vladivostok

People's General scenario?
Not enough then, Nerchinsk treaty lines, or more judging by SSI's game. 

Limited wars with Vietnam already happened in 1979 and 1984 so it would be less of a surprise.

[Legbiter]

We've seen how vatniks attack a trench line, here's the Ukrainians doing the same. Compare and contrast.

These are perhaps the first UK-trained soldiers in action.  

[Josquius]

We've seen how vatniks attack a trench line, here's the Ukrainians doing the same. Compare and contrast.

These are perhaps the first UK-trained soldiers in action.  

Honestly all these combat footage videos. I can't make head nor tail of them.
Obviously, real battles be like that, but I need video game or Hollywood style to comprehend. Not confused shouting and dots in the distance.

Anyone know of any good youtube folk who helpfully annotate these things?

[crazy canuck]

Russia's most effective asset has been removed from FOX - the Spring offensive is off to a good start.