TV/Movies Megathread

[Legbiter]

The culture is stuck. Has been for a while now it feels. Just endless IP recycling.

[Darth Wagtaros]

A lot of the more whinier Youtube reviewers have complained that a lot of older movie classics would never get made nowadays.  I'm kind of coming around to their way of thinking.  Not on the "WOKEWOKEWOKEWOKEWWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOKE!" shit but the endless circlejerk of nostalgia porn with old IP.

[Josquius]

Surely it goes through cycles? There were quite a lot of remakes historically at certain times.

The big difference is they usually had a huge technilogical excuse of sound, colour and so on.

Now vs 2000.... Please tell me I just don't understand HD or I'm showing my age but doesn't seem such a gap.

[HVC]

Watched season 2 of Clarkson's Farm.  I enjoyed it. Tamas might get a rage induced stroke if he sat down to watch it

[Admiral Yi]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/x8gifGHQVSE

Kubrick explains the ending of 2001.

[viper37]

Surely it goes through cycles? There were quite a lot of remakes historically at certain times.

Yes.
In periods of uncertain economic times, Hollywood plays it safe.

[The Brain]

Tokyo Vice, S1. Michael Mann serves up a tale of journalists, cops, hostesses, and yakuza, "inspired by real events". I liked it a lot, but please observe that I like Japan a lot so anything set there gets bonus points. NB: they don't finish the story in S1, but they have been approved for S2.

[celedhring]

The culture is stuck. Has been for a while now it feels. Just endless IP recycling.

I want to believe we're reaching peak franchise, since outside of Marvel/Star Wars - which are both trending downwards - none of those desperate "I'm going to build my own franchise, with blackjack and hookers" attempts has actually succeeded.

Anyone remembers Universal's "Dark Universe"? 

[Josquius]

Hope so. At least let's have an end to franchise intros before things start. Do I really have to be told I'm watching part of the star trek franchise?

[FunkMonk]

The culture is stuck. Has been for a while now it feels. Just endless IP recycling.

I want to believe we're reaching peak franchise, since outside of Marvel/Star Wars - which are both trending downwards - none of those desperate "I'm going to build my own franchise, with blackjack and hookers" attempts has actually succeeded.

Anyone remembers Universal's "Dark Universe"? 

Yeah. Marvel in particular feels washed.

Feels like it's a ripe time for a surprise  hit that everyone talks about and that gets inevitably copied. 

[viper37]

none of those desperate "I'm going to build my own franchise, with blackjack and hookers" attempts has actually succeeded.

Lord of the Rings is a commercial success.
John Wick has 4 movies and a future tv series I think, or another spin off movie coming.

[celedhring]

none of those desperate "I'm going to build my own franchise, with blackjack and hookers" attempts has actually succeeded.

Lord of the Rings is a commercial success.
John Wick has 4 movies and a future tv series I think, or another spin off movie coming.

None of those are fully franchised yet. Wick is just a successful movie series, Rings of Power is just a single season of a show with mixed - at best - word of mouth. They both still have a bit to go.

The only one is Star Trek, which has a bunch of TV shows going which I assume are successful since they keep making more of them. The only thing lacking is movies (but I believe rights are an issue here).

[The Minsky Moment]

Golden Age Hollywood also had franchises and IP recycling up the wazoo: Tarzan, Charlie Chan, Thin Man, Dead End Kids, many more.  Pictures always involve a substantial up front investment and so the natural tendency is to fall back on safety: Established Stars + Formulaic scripts.  It has just evolved to exploit cross-media monetization.

I do think the exploitation has become over-intensive in a way that risks long term value; I thought the MCU would have been better advised to take a breather before plunging deep into another massive "cycle".  But few executives make successful careers by putting off corporate money making opportunities for the benefit of their successors.

[The Minsky Moment]

Another factor is that streaming puts intensive pressure on keeping a content pipeline fresh because subs are so dependent on the availability of hot new content.  That in turn raises the incentives for developing big and exploiting big franchises.  It's no coincidence that Disney was able to leapfrog into being a streaming great power and that fact that it controls two of the most successful IP franchise properties.

[Sheilbh]

Yeah. Marvel in particular feels washed.

Feels like it's a ripe time for a surprise  hit that everyone talks about and that gets inevitably copied. 

It's interesting because with the Marvel films there was a lot of talk of IP taking over and the end of the age of the star. And yet it feels relevant to me that the first wave of Marvel films had big talents with the heft to carry off their films: Evans, Hemsworth, Boseman, Downey Jr. In the nicest possible way the big stars of their current round of films feel a bit light - Cumberbatch and Rudd are fine but I'm not sure they have the same star power. I think we maybe ovreplayed the end of the star (particularly in a year when Top Gun did so well).

I think also it feels like all the films are a bit light now. The last Marvel film I can remember that everyone was excited about was Spiderman - which didn't feel like a Marve film, it felt Spiderman-y.

Also their plot points and rhythm are just -it's not that they're predictable which I think is fine but they almost same-y like cut-and-paste.