TV/Movies Megathread

[Jacob]

Still, I believe that with shorter expiration times you wouldn't get so much double-downing on franchises by multimedia corporations, since they couldn't fully control the IP.

Exactly. If the IP isn't 100% locked down, spending massive amounts of money building "brand value" is higher risk as others can access that brand value. Instead you might have to commit more effort to the quality of the individual product (film, game, TV series) since you can't rely on the echoes of previous quality and the brand devotion of the fan base.

[Admiral Yi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCN_q3hX_RE

Stumbled across this last night.  Robert Shaw singing Ladies of Spain in some early pirate movie.  Which makes his reprise in Jaws a nice little self referential shout out.

[grumbler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCN_q3hX_RE

Stumbled across this last night.  Robert Shaw singing Ladies of Spain in some early pirate movie.  Which makes his reprise in Jaws a nice little self referential shout out.

That link takes me to a vid of Nancy Whiskey by the Irish Rovers.

[Admiral Yi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCN_q3hX_RE

woops

[Admiral Yi]

wtf

[Admiral Yi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCN_q3hX_RE

try this one

[Admiral Yi]

what a strange youtube glitch.  oh well

[HVC]

Here, try this one

https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ

[Admiral Yi]

 

[Tonitrus]

I'll help you out...

[Admiral Yi]

grazie holmes

[HVC]

 

[viper37]

Yeah lengthy copyright is a big part of it, so that's what I mean, but also the general mindspace where creative activity is about generating "IP" and owning "IP" is about efficiently exploiting it. I mean, there's always been a business built on art - and it's often been cynical in a number of ways.ook at it another way.

Look at it another way.

The Terminator franchise.  At some points, and maybe it still is the case, the rights were set to expire a set number of years after the last movie was produced.  If the company holding the IP did not produce a movie, the IP rights were expiring and reverting back to someone else.

So what happened?  Lots of successive Terminator movies of average/dubious quality.  Not less.  For fear of losing these rights.

It's a bit different, but similar than your proposal: if the rights are going to expire after a shorter time, the IP holders are going to produce more material over a shorter period of time to make sure that IP is as profitable as possible before they lose it.

Imagine knowing your car will drive itself back to the garage in 2 weeks.  Will you let it stay in your parking lot for two weeks undisturbed, or will you drive around as much as you feel to for the next week?  Same thing for IP.

[celedhring]

Yeah lengthy copyright is a big part of it, so that's what I mean, but also the general mindspace where creative activity is about generating "IP" and owning "IP" is about efficiently exploiting it. I mean, there's always been a business built on art - and it's often been cynical in a number of ways.ook at it another way.

Look at it another way.

The Terminator franchise.  At some points, and maybe it still is the case, the rights were set to expire a set number of years after the last movie was produced.  If the company holding the IP did not produce a movie, the IP rights were expiring and reverting back to someone else.

So what happened?  Lots of successive Terminator movies of average/dubious quality.  Not less.  For fear of losing these rights.

It's a bit different, but similar than your proposal: if the rights are going to expire after a shorter time, the IP holders are going to produce more material over a shorter period of time to make sure that IP is as profitable as possible before they lose it.

Imagine knowing your car will drive itself back to the garage in 2 weeks.  Will you let it stay in your parking lot for two weeks undisturbed, or will you drive around as much as you feel to for the next week?  Same thing for IP.

I think we have an early proof of concept with Winnie the Pooh, and so far it goes against what you say. The last animated Pooh movie was in 2011 (and a live action one in 2018), the last straight to video movie in 2010, the last animated show in 2010.

The original Pooh books started to revert to public domain in 2022, but Disney hasn't certainly rushed to milk the porperty before that happened.

[Admiral Yi]

Was the original a dud?  Only worth keeping the IP alive if it's making you money.