This can't be real...
The Link (http://www.steadfasttrust.org.uk/index.php)
QuoteWelcome to www.SteadfastTrust.org.uk Registered Charity No: 1105806
The Steadfast Trust is the first and only registered charity which undertakes work specifically for the ethnic English community. It exists to promote the education, legal rights, welfare, and overall interests of the community within England. Our work is driven by the belief that the English, and in particular the young, would gain greater self-respect and self-confidence if they had a better appreciation and understanding of their unique culture and heritage.
There is growing evidence from various reports (view reports) that many English school children are falling behind those from other ethnic groups. They are also increasingly engaging in anti-social behaviour and leading increasingly unruly and destructive lives. Bold action is needed to tackle these problems.
We believe that the English are a community like any other and that our Englishness should be promoted as something that is positive in our lives and the lives of our children. A strong sense of communal identity helps develop a strong sense of communal responsibility; it helps bring people together and counter the alienation from society that many feel. The young people of all ethnic groups should feel confident in who they are and should be inspired by their own cultural background to reach their full potential in society. We aim to promote practical schemes that will help bring this about for the English.
Why can't it be real, racist?
Englishness is doomed-- this will do little to help.
Quote from: derspiess on April 26, 2013, 10:50:01 AM
Englishness is doomed-- this will do little to help.
It's amazing how easily inappropriate guilt can end a civilization.
I blame women.
And the Welsh.
Good for them, hopefully they have a dental program for the "English".
Quote from: Neil on April 26, 2013, 10:53:04 AM
It's amazing how easily inappropriate guilt can end a civilization.
You mean the White Man's Complex? A very Anglo-Saxon thing yes - that has spawned the vile mongrel that is multiculturalism and drives England to the self flagellation of massive 3rd world immigration. Canada, Australia are similarly affected.
G.
Only on Languish would you find someone bemoaning the loss of ethnic purity of the Anglo Saxons...
Quote from: merithyn on April 26, 2013, 10:42:20 AM
This can't be real...
The Link (http://www.steadfasttrust.org.uk/index.php)
QuoteWelcome to www.SteadfastTrust.org.uk Registered Charity No: 1105806
The Steadfast Trust is the first and only registered charity which undertakes work specifically for the ethnic English community. It exists to promote the education, legal rights, welfare, and overall interests of the community within England. Our work is driven by the belief that the English, and in particular the young, would gain greater self-respect and self-confidence if they had a better appreciation and understanding of their unique culture and heritage.
There is growing evidence from various reports (view reports) that many English school children are falling behind those from other ethnic groups. They are also increasingly engaging in anti-social behaviour and leading increasingly unruly and destructive lives. Bold action is needed to tackle these problems.
We believe that the English are a community like any other and that our Englishness should be promoted as something that is positive in our lives and the lives of our children. A strong sense of communal identity helps develop a strong sense of communal responsibility; it helps bring people together and counter the alienation from society that many feel. The young people of all ethnic groups should feel confident in who they are and should be inspired by their own cultural background to reach their full potential in society. We aim to promote practical schemes that will help bring this about for the English.
Is this a joke where they cut and pasted some mission statement from a registered charity working for some other minority and just replaced "pakistani" with "english" in word?
Quote from: Warspite on April 26, 2013, 11:22:11 AM
Only on Languish would you find someone bemoaning the loss of ethnic purity of the Anglo Saxons...
Proper englishness includes the decendents of hugenots and other protestant refugees from the continent during the 17th and 18th centuries and immigrants from europe in the 19th. Basically whoever doesn't live like where his ancestors came from matters.
Quote from: Viking on April 26, 2013, 11:27:54 AM
Is this a joke where they cut and pasted some mission statement from a registered charity working for some other minority and just replaced "pakistani" with "english" in word?
Sadly no. :(
http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithoutPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1105806&SubsidiaryNumber=0
Quote from: Viking on April 26, 2013, 11:36:55 AM
Quote from: Warspite on April 26, 2013, 11:22:11 AM
Only on Languish would you find someone bemoaning the loss of ethnic purity of the Anglo Saxons...
Proper englishness includes the decendents of hugenots and other protestant refugees from the continent during the 17th and 18th centuries and immigrants from europe in the 19th. Basically whoever doesn't live like where his ancestors came from matters.
And Eastern European Jews, and the descendants of the Danish invasions, etc etc.
From mongrels were the English born, and mongrels shall they remain. Which is a good thing.
Quote from: garbon on April 26, 2013, 11:46:07 AM
Quote from: Viking on April 26, 2013, 11:27:54 AM
Is this a joke where they cut and pasted some mission statement from a registered charity working for some other minority and just replaced "pakistani" with "english" in word?
Sadly no. :(
http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithoutPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1105806&SubsidiaryNumber=0
It would have been a good and poignant joke had it been one.
Poe strikes again.
Quote from: garbon on April 26, 2013, 11:46:07 AM
Quote from: Viking on April 26, 2013, 11:27:54 AM
Is this a joke where they cut and pasted some mission statement from a registered charity working for some other minority and just replaced "pakistani" with "english" in word?
Sadly no. :(
http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithoutPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1105806&SubsidiaryNumber=0
Wow... just... wow.
What is so special about this that it deserves a thread? Surely similar organisations exist everywhere? I thought that "white supremacy" groups etc. exist in the USA as well? We certainly have Neonazis that fund similar clubs.
Quote from: merithyn on April 26, 2013, 12:20:28 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 26, 2013, 11:46:07 AM
Quote from: Viking on April 26, 2013, 11:27:54 AM
Is this a joke where they cut and pasted some mission statement from a registered charity working for some other minority and just replaced "pakistani" with "english" in word?
Sadly no. :(
http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithoutPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1105806&SubsidiaryNumber=0
Wow... just... wow.
Would you feel any differently if this were a Welsh group?
Quote from: Zanza on April 26, 2013, 12:25:25 PM
What is so special about this that it deserves a thread? Surely similar organisations exist everywhere? I thought that "white supremacy" groups etc. exist in the USA as well? We certainly have Neonazis that fund similar clubs.
This isn't a white supremacy group, though. It openly says that every ethnicity should have an organization that supports their own history and culture. They're just including "Anglo-Saxon", or "English" as an ethnicity. I find that to be... odd.
Quote from: derspiess on April 26, 2013, 12:27:34 PM
Would you feel any differently if this were a Welsh group?
There are Welsh groups... which, to me, makes sense. The Welsh were a tribe that were deliberately forced to assimilate - the point of making their own language illegal to speak or use in any legal way (schools were forbidden to use the language at all). Having a "support group" seems kind of silly since it's no longer being discriminated against, but it still makes more sense than an Anglo-Saxon one.
But the English are the dominant culture, language, and population in the UK. Their history is well-known, well-documented, and well-researched. How on earth can anyone of Anglo-Saxon descent ever feel like an outsider?
Quote from: Grallon on April 26, 2013, 11:19:49 AM
Quote from: Neil on April 26, 2013, 10:53:04 AM
It's amazing how easily inappropriate guilt can end a civilization.
You mean the White Man's Complex? A very Anglo-Saxon thing yes - that has spawned the vile mongrel that is multiculturalism and drives England to the self flagellation of massive 3rd world immigration. Canada, Australia are similarly affected.
Last time I checked, Paris was full of people from the old colonies who will burn up cars at the drop of a hat. The English-speaking peoples don't have a monopoly on feeling shame for their success. It's just strongest there because we're by far the most successful of all the peoples on the Earth.
Quote from: merithyn on April 26, 2013, 12:30:03 PM
Quote from: Zanza on April 26, 2013, 12:25:25 PM
What is so special about this that it deserves a thread? Surely similar organisations exist everywhere? I thought that "white supremacy" groups etc. exist in the USA as well? We certainly have Neonazis that fund similar clubs.
This isn't a white supremacy group, though. It openly says that every ethnicity should have an organization that supports their own history and culture. They're just including "Anglo-Saxon", or "English" as an ethnicity. I find that to be... odd.
Because you're a racist.
Quote from: merithyn on April 26, 2013, 12:33:24 PM
There are Welsh groups... which, to me, makes sense. The Welsh were a tribe that were deliberately forced to assimilate - the point of making their own language illegal to speak or use in any legal way (schools were forbidden to use the language at all). Having a "support group" seems kind of silly since it's no longer being discriminated against, but it still makes more sense than an Anglo-Saxon one.
But the English are the dominant culture, language, and population in the UK. Their history is well-known, well-documented, and well-researched. How on earth can anyone of Anglo-Saxon descent ever feel like an outsider?
They are a minority in their own capital for example.
Quote from: Zanza on April 26, 2013, 12:42:32 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 26, 2013, 12:33:24 PM
There are Welsh groups... which, to me, makes sense. The Welsh were a tribe that were deliberately forced to assimilate - the point of making their own language illegal to speak or use in any legal way (schools were forbidden to use the language at all). Having a "support group" seems kind of silly since it's no longer being discriminated against, but it still makes more sense than an Anglo-Saxon one.
But the English are the dominant culture, language, and population in the UK. Their history is well-known, well-documented, and well-researched. How on earth can anyone of Anglo-Saxon descent ever feel like an outsider?
They are a minority in their own capital for example.
:huh:
Quote from: merithyn on April 26, 2013, 12:30:03 PMThis isn't a white supremacy group, though. It openly says that every ethnicity should have an organization that supports their own history and culture. They're just including "Anglo-Saxon", or "English" as an ethnicity. I find that to be... odd.
It's most likely a white supremacy group with slightly better marketing materials.
Quote from: Jacob on April 26, 2013, 12:54:56 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 26, 2013, 12:30:03 PMThis isn't a white supremacy group, though. It openly says that every ethnicity should have an organization that supports their own history and culture. They're just including "Anglo-Saxon", or "English" as an ethnicity. I find that to be... odd.
It's most likely a white supremacy group with slightly better marketing materials.
Yeah.
I have absolutely no problem in theory with a group that wants to promote english culture and heritage.
It's just that in the real world every group that has ever claimed that was their purpose was, in fact, a white supremacist group.
Quote from: merithyn on April 26, 2013, 12:33:24 PM
But the English are the dominant culture, language, and population in the UK.
That's on its way out, dear.
Quote from: derspiess on April 26, 2013, 01:06:23 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 26, 2013, 12:33:24 PM
But the English are the dominant culture, language, and population in the UK.
That's on its way out, dear.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_British
Hard to see how 80% of total UK pop and 45% of London indicates that White British is on its way out.
Quote from: Barrister on April 26, 2013, 12:59:49 PM
Quote from: Jacob on April 26, 2013, 12:54:56 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 26, 2013, 12:30:03 PMThis isn't a white supremacy group, though. It openly says that every ethnicity should have an organization that supports their own history and culture. They're just including "Anglo-Saxon", or "English" as an ethnicity. I find that to be... odd.
It's most likely a white supremacy group with slightly better marketing materials.
Yeah.
I have absolutely no problem in theory with a group that wants to promote english culture and heritage.
It's just that in the real world every group that has ever claimed that was their purpose was, in fact, a white supremacist group.
And particularly when a group lists aims like:
A) TO RELIEVE POVERTY AMONG MEMBERS OF THE ANGLO-SAXON COMMUNITY LIVING IN ENGLAND;
B) TO PROMOTE THE PRESERVATION & PROTECTION OF HEALTH SUCH PERSONS;
C) TO ADVANCE EDUCATION AMONG SUCH PERSONS;
D) TO PROVIDE OR ASSIST IN THE PROVISION OF FACILITIES FOR SUCH PERSONS IN THE INTERESTS OF SOCIAL WELFARE AND WITH THE OBJECT OF IMPROVING THEIR CONDITIONS OF LIFE;
That's quite a bit different from simply celebrating a culture.
Quote from: derspiess on April 26, 2013, 01:06:23 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 26, 2013, 12:33:24 PM
But the English are the dominant culture, language, and population in the UK.
That's on its way out, dear.
I hardly think so, honey.
Quote from: garbon on April 26, 2013, 01:15:33 PM
And particularly when a group lists aims like:
A) TO RELIEVE POVERTY AMONG MEMBERS OF THE ANGLO-SAXON COMMUNITY LIVING IN ENGLAND;
B) TO PROMOTE THE PRESERVATION & PROTECTION OF HEALTH SUCH PERSONS;
C) TO ADVANCE EDUCATION AMONG SUCH PERSONS;
D) TO PROVIDE OR ASSIST IN THE PROVISION OF FACILITIES FOR SUCH PERSONS IN THE INTERESTS OF SOCIAL WELFARE AND WITH THE OBJECT OF IMPROVING THEIR CONDITIONS OF LIFE;
That's quite a bit different from simply celebrating a culture.
:rolleyes:
It's a registered charity - what do you expect their list of goals to look like? Well, given they're not a Public School (British type) anyway...
And they've never reported having enough money to worry about them, whether they be genuine or racist.
I shall have to see if my relatives who live in Macclesfield have ever heard of them. :hmm:
I agree with my body that some ethnic groups shouldn't be allowed to get organized.
Quote from: garbon on April 26, 2013, 01:14:11 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 26, 2013, 01:06:23 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 26, 2013, 12:33:24 PM
But the English are the dominant culture, language, and population in the UK.
That's on its way out, dear.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_British
Hard to see how 80% of total UK pop and 45% of London indicates that White British is on its way out.
White British and English are not the same thing. English are White British but not all White British are English.
This is a non-story, of no significance whatsoever. :bowler:
They used allcaps? Probably white supremacists.
You gotta out breed the heathens.
Quote from: derspiess on April 26, 2013, 01:32:41 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 26, 2013, 01:14:11 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 26, 2013, 01:06:23 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 26, 2013, 12:33:24 PM
But the English are the dominant culture, language, and population in the UK.
That's on its way out, dear.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_British
Hard to see how 80% of total UK pop and 45% of London indicates that White British is on its way out.
White British and English are not the same thing. English are White British but not all White British are English.
So is your suggestion that Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish is taking more and more of that pie that is White British?
Quote from: Agelastus on April 26, 2013, 01:31:33 PM
:rolleyes:
It's a registered charity - what do you expect their list of goals to look like? Well, given they're not a Public School (British type) anyway...
And they've never reported having enough money to worry about them, whether they be genuine or racist.
I shall have to see if my relatives who live in Macclesfield have ever heard of them. :hmm:
I don't expect there to be charities that help only a dominant type of white people.
Quote from: mongers on April 26, 2013, 01:38:33 PM
This is a non-story, of no significance whatsoever. :bowler:
Some of us dislike racist charities, YMMV.
It strikes me as an obvious counter to those groups who specifically help minorities. If it weren't for the fact that there's already a ton of safety nets for whites, I could see the value...
Quote from: merithyn on April 26, 2013, 01:52:17 PM
It strikes me as an obvious counter to those groups who specifically help minorities. If it weren't for the fact that there's already a ton of safety nets for whites, I could see the value...
Aren't the safety nets for citizens, not just whites? Or are you racist?
Quote from: Neil on April 26, 2013, 02:02:08 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 26, 2013, 01:52:17 PM
It strikes me as an obvious counter to those groups who specifically help minorities. If it weren't for the fact that there's already a ton of safety nets for whites, I could see the value...
Aren't the safety nets for citizens, not just whites? Or are you racist?
The safety nets are for everyone. The difference is in getting access to them. In general - at least here in the US - whites know better how to access assistance and have more options available to them. The general assumption, sad as it may be, is that whites have just fallen on hard times and need a hand for a short time while blacks/other minorities are making a career out of welfare.
That's the stereotype, and that's what a lot of people believe. So, when a white person goes in for assistance, they get better help, more help, and more options.
Somehow I doubt that the Welsh, Scottish and Irish have any problems grabbing welfare. :hmm:
Quote from: garbon on April 26, 2013, 01:51:16 PM
Quote from: mongers on April 26, 2013, 01:38:33 PM
This is a non-story, of no significance whatsoever. :bowler:
Some of us dislike racist charities, YMMV.
Some of us dislike people who are so kneejerk with accusations of Racism without evidence to back it up. YMMV.
Now, if you'd actually bothered to do the research I might take you more seriously; having done the research myself then yes, there is enough smoke (connections of various former and current directors to the BNP or EDL or similar organisations) to suggest that there may be a fire, muddied by the fact that several figures connected with it have openly criticised groups such as the BNP and EDL and also muddied by the fact that most of the criticisms and blogs come from sites that I quite frankly won't be visiting again (the rancid nature and obvious agendas of most of the posters made Languish look like a bastion of subtlety.)
And further muddied by the fact that theyve been around since 2004 and still retain their charity registration despite a number of other similar organisations not getting a listing in the first place.
We must act now, or Morris Dancing will be in danger of dying out. :(
Quote from: Agelastus on April 26, 2013, 02:21:51 PM
Some of us dislike people who are so kneejerk with accusations of Racism without evidence to back it up. YMMV.
Now, if you'd actually bothered to do the research I might take you more seriously; having done the research myself then yes, there is enough smoke (connections of various former and current directors to the BNP or EDL or similar organisations) to suggest that there may be a fire, muddied by the fact that several figures connected with it have openly criticised groups such as the BNP and EDL and also muddied by the fact that most of the criticisms and blogs come from sites that I quite frankly won't be visiting again (the rancid nature and obvious agendas of most of the posters made Languish look like a bastion of subtlety.)
And further muddied by the fact that theyve been around since 2004 and still retain their charity registration despite a number of other similar organisations not getting a listing in the first place.
Unfortunately, this is too muddied to understand.
Are you saying they are or are not a racist organization based on your research?
They could have just started a golf/tennis club instead.
Quote from: merithyn on April 26, 2013, 02:07:31 PM
That's the stereotype, and that's what a lot of people believe. So, when a white person goes in for assistance, they get better help, more help, and more options.
wut? :huh:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 26, 2013, 03:54:29 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 26, 2013, 02:07:31 PM
That's the stereotype, and that's what a lot of people believe. So, when a white person goes in for assistance, they get better help, more help, and more options.
wut? :huh:
Is that not the stereotype where you are? It certainly is here.
Quote from: merithyn on April 26, 2013, 04:00:42 PM
Is that not the stereotype where you are? It certainly is here.
I was responding more to the 2nd sentence. "White people have more options." Sounded to me like you were describing reality. If you were talking about perception, I still disagree but it's not that big a deal.
Quote from: Tonitrus on April 26, 2013, 03:02:50 PM
They could have just started a golf/tennis club instead.
No, that would really be discrimination.
Quote from: merithyn on April 26, 2013, 04:00:42 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 26, 2013, 03:54:29 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 26, 2013, 02:07:31 PM
That's the stereotype, and that's what a lot of people believe. So, when a white person goes in for assistance, they get better help, more help, and more options.
wut? :huh:
Is that not the stereotype where you are? It certainly is here.
It's a good idea to remember that your country is very, very racist. Stereotypes in your country might be different from elsewhere.
Quote from: merithyn on April 26, 2013, 02:56:42 PM
Quote from: Agelastus on April 26, 2013, 02:21:51 PM
Some of us dislike people who are so kneejerk with accusations of Racism without evidence to back it up. YMMV.
Now, if you'd actually bothered to do the research I might take you more seriously; having done the research myself then yes, there is enough smoke (connections of various former and current directors to the BNP or EDL or similar organisations) to suggest that there may be a fire, muddied by the fact that several figures connected with it have openly criticised groups such as the BNP and EDL and also muddied by the fact that most of the criticisms and blogs come from sites that I quite frankly won't be visiting again (the rancid nature and obvious agendas of most of the posters made Languish look like a bastion of subtlety.)
And further muddied by the fact that theyve been around since 2004 and still retain their charity registration despite a number of other similar organisations not getting a listing in the first place.
Unfortunately, this is too muddied to understand.
Are you saying they are or are not a racist organization based on your research?
Best I can make it out is that he now thinks they probably are but he's annoyed that you and I didn't do more research than a couple links to come to our conclusion. :hug:
Quote from: garbon on April 26, 2013, 04:34:48 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 26, 2013, 02:56:42 PM
Quote from: Agelastus on April 26, 2013, 02:21:51 PM
Some of us dislike people who are so kneejerk with accusations of Racism without evidence to back it up. YMMV.
Now, if you'd actually bothered to do the research I might take you more seriously; having done the research myself then yes, there is enough smoke (connections of various former and current directors to the BNP or EDL or similar organisations) to suggest that there may be a fire, muddied by the fact that several figures connected with it have openly criticised groups such as the BNP and EDL and also muddied by the fact that most of the criticisms and blogs come from sites that I quite frankly won't be visiting again (the rancid nature and obvious agendas of most of the posters made Languish look like a bastion of subtlety.)
And further muddied by the fact that theyve been around since 2004 and still retain their charity registration despite a number of other similar organisations not getting a listing in the first place.
Unfortunately, this is too muddied to understand.
Are you saying they are or are not a racist organization based on your research?
Best I can make it out is that he now thinks they probably are but he's annoyed that you and I didn't do more research than a couple links to come to our conclusion. :hug:
I think what he was saying is closer to: "There's reason to be suspicious about their motives, but no real proof, and given that other, similar groups have been denied or lost their status as registered charities because they were just fronts for racists groups suggests that these guys are either legit, or have at least hidden their real agenda well enough to meet the standards required to be a registered charity."
Quote from: dps on April 26, 2013, 04:42:43 PM
I think what he was saying is closer to: "There's reason to be suspicious about their motives, but no real proof, and given that other, similar groups have been denied or lost their status as registered charities because they were just fronts for racists groups suggests that these guys are either legit, or have at least hidden their real agenda well enough to meet the standards required to be a registered charity."
Ok
Quote from: dps on April 26, 2013, 04:42:43 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 26, 2013, 04:34:48 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 26, 2013, 02:56:42 PM
Quote from: Agelastus on April 26, 2013, 02:21:51 PM
Some of us dislike people who are so kneejerk with accusations of Racism without evidence to back it up. YMMV.
Now, if you'd actually bothered to do the research I might take you more seriously; having done the research myself then yes, there is enough smoke (connections of various former and current directors to the BNP or EDL or similar organisations) to suggest that there may be a fire, muddied by the fact that several figures connected with it have openly criticised groups such as the BNP and EDL and also muddied by the fact that most of the criticisms and blogs come from sites that I quite frankly won't be visiting again (the rancid nature and obvious agendas of most of the posters made Languish look like a bastion of subtlety.)
And further muddied by the fact that theyve been around since 2004 and still retain their charity registration despite a number of other similar organisations not getting a listing in the first place.
Unfortunately, this is too muddied to understand.
Are you saying they are or are not a racist organization based on your research?
Best I can make it out is that he now thinks they probably are but he's annoyed that you and I didn't do more research than a couple links to come to our conclusion. :hug:
I think what he was saying is closer to: "There's reason to be suspicious about their motives, but no real proof, and given that other, similar groups have been denied or lost their status as registered charities because they were just fronts for racists groups suggests that these guys are either legit, or have at least hidden their real agenda well enough to meet the standards required to be a registered charity."
I completely fail to understand what is so opaque about my post; composed as it was of perfectly straightforward English. I am genuinely uncertain whether to :huh: or :rolleyes: or :P here...
Well...
Firstly, Garbon, I was specifically pointing you out as a person who presents conclusions without doing the research. If you feel I should include Merithyn in my critique - well, that's your opinion and in your own words - YMMV.
Secondly, for people who can't be bothered to take their time to do any research -
BNP - British National Party (party that skirts the edge of the anti-Racism laws.)
EDL - English Defence League (party that likes to pretend that it doesn't skirt the edge of the anti-Racism laws.)
The founder directors of Steadfast had links to these organisations and others of their ilk. None of these people are directors now.
The Charity itself shares contact details with a shop that sells patriotic English goods ("tat" being a more appropriate description.)
Of the current batch of directors, some have links, others don't. Of those that do have links at least one of them has been openly critical of the EDL despite his former association with the party.
Four other organisations claim to be "branches" or "linked organisations" to the charity - two of which have been openly repudiated by the Charity themselves. The other two are both accused of being smokescreens for pre-existing fascist groups - by posters on websites that lean towards "shoot first", "anyone not me is the enemy", "guilt is true irrespective of evidence" etc. and whose posters generally have a pretty nasty tone to their posts.
As I said,
"the rancid nature and obvious agendas of most of the posters made Languish look like a bastion of subtlety."The charity has been around since 2004; following its establishment a number of similar organisations tried to register themselves as charities and were rejected by the Charities Commission. Despite which, Steadfast itself is still a registered Charity and has been around long enough for genuine complaints to have got it delisted. As DPS said, that either makes them genuine or bright enough to meet the required standards.
As I said in an earlier post it's also not had enough income for the last five years to force it to register a full set of Accounts with the Commission. Since this level appears to be the derisory sum of £10000 they're not big enough to be concerned about in any case.
So, once again in plain English - there's enough "smoke" to suggest the possibility of a "fire", but no actual hard evidence of said "fire".
So again like I said, you're annoyed that we're near the same conclusions (you are more cautious than I am) and I based mine just off the spiel provided by the charity register.
Oh and no I didn't read most of your recent post. Talk about a yawn.
Who cares? Its England. They have been on the decline since the Somme.
Quote from: PDH on April 27, 2013, 09:28:02 AM
Who cares? Its England. They have been on the decline since the May 1979.
Fixed it. :)
Quote from: mongers on April 27, 2013, 09:31:07 AM
Quote from: PDH on April 27, 2013, 09:28:02 AM
Who cares? Its England. They have been on the decline since the May 1979.
Fixed it. :)
:rolleyes:
You're old enough to know better.
Quote from: Neil on April 27, 2013, 09:34:55 AM
Quote from: mongers on April 27, 2013, 09:31:07 AM
Quote from: PDH on April 27, 2013, 09:28:02 AM
Who cares? Its England. They have been on the decline since the May 1979.
Fixed it. :)
:rolleyes:
You're old enough to know better.
Tyr's away, so I'm deputising. :bowler:
Quote from: garbon on April 27, 2013, 08:44:07 AM
So again like I said, you're annoyed that we're near the same conclusions (you are more cautious than I am) and I based mine just off the spiel provided by the charity register.
:yes:
Quote from: Agelastus on April 27, 2013, 08:30:07 AM
So, once again in plain English - there's enough "smoke" to suggest the possibility of a "fire", but no actual hard evidence of said "fire".
We didn't need to do research to figure that much out. But thanks for doing unnecessary legwork. :hug:
I've stopped worrying about it. England is dead and is incapable of revivification.
OTOH I think the UK is doing fine and will increasingly become a multicultural individualistic utterly mixed and successful place.
What I find interesting is that "multicultural" seems so bland and generic compared to the monocultural culture that existed before :hmm:
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on April 27, 2013, 06:19:41 PM
I've stopped worrying about it. England is dead and is incapable of revivification.
OTOH I think the UK is doing fine and will increasingly become a multicultural individualistic utterly mixed and successful place.
What I find interesting is that "multicultural" seems so bland and generic compared to the monocultural culture that existed before :hmm:
My general opposition to group identities notwithstanding; the reason for this blandness is that it can only reach for the lowest common denominator of inoffensiveness and inclusion.
Basically you can't have bacon and beer if you invite muslims over for dinner. You can't have steak with hindus. You can't have shellfish with jews, nor mix any meat with dairy. You can't have horse with icelanders, or britons. The Koreans demanding kimchi with dog will be disappointed if any englishmen are invited.
I think only lamb and fish aren't sinful to somebody. Do you want to live in a world with only lamb and fish?
The meltingpot, however, creates a world with proiscutto, india pale ale, crab sticks, t-bones, cheeseburgers.. and unfortunately horse sausages.
Quote from: derspiess on April 26, 2013, 01:06:23 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 26, 2013, 12:33:24 PM
But the English are the dominant culture, language, and population in the UK.
That's on its way out, dear.
Those Poles sure are hard to assimilate! :rolleyes:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 27, 2013, 07:43:51 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 26, 2013, 01:06:23 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 26, 2013, 12:33:24 PM
But the English are the dominant culture, language, and population in the UK.
That's on its way out, dear.
Those Poles sure are hard to assimilate! :rolleyes:
Fuck off.
Quote from: Neil on April 26, 2013, 12:34:22 PM
Quote from: Grallon on April 26, 2013, 11:19:49 AM
Quote from: Neil on April 26, 2013, 10:53:04 AM
It's amazing how easily inappropriate guilt can end a civilization.
You mean the White Man's Complex? A very Anglo-Saxon thing yes - that has spawned the vile mongrel that is multiculturalism and drives England to the self flagellation of massive 3rd world immigration. Canada, Australia are similarly affected.
Last time I checked, French suburbs were full of people from the old colonies who will burn up cars at the drop of a hat. The English-speaking peoples don't have a monopoly on feeling shame for their success. It's just strongest there because we're by far the most successful of all the peoples on the Earth.
Fixed it for you :) :frog: