The Steadfast Trust - WTF??

[derspiess]

Is this a joke where they cut and pasted some mission statement from a registered charity working for some other minority and just replaced "pakistani" with "english" in word?

Sadly no.

http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithoutPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1105806&SubsidiaryNumber=0

Wow... just... wow.

Would you feel any differently if this were a Welsh group?

[merithyn]

What is so special about this that it deserves a thread? Surely similar organisations exist everywhere? I thought that "white supremacy" groups etc. exist in the USA as well? We certainly have Neonazis that fund similar clubs.

This isn't a white supremacy group, though. It openly says that every ethnicity should have an organization that supports their own history and culture. They're just including "Anglo-Saxon", or "English" as an ethnicity. I find that to be... odd.

[merithyn]

Would you feel any differently if this were a Welsh group?

There are Welsh groups... which, to me, makes sense. The Welsh were a tribe that were deliberately forced to assimilate - the point of making their own language illegal to speak or use in any legal way (schools were forbidden to use the language at all). Having a "support group" seems kind of silly since it's no longer being discriminated against, but it still makes more sense than an Anglo-Saxon one.

But the English are the dominant culture, language, and population in the UK. Their history is well-known, well-documented, and well-researched. How on earth can anyone of Anglo-Saxon descent ever feel like an outsider?

[Neil]

It's amazing how easily inappropriate guilt can end a civilization.

You mean the White Man's Complex?  A very Anglo-Saxon thing yes - that has spawned the vile mongrel that is multiculturalism and drives England to the self flagellation of massive 3rd world immigration.  Canada, Australia are similarly affected.

Last time I checked, Paris was full of people from the old colonies who will burn up cars at the drop of a hat.  The English-speaking peoples don't have a monopoly on feeling shame for their success.  It's just strongest there because we're by far the most successful of all the peoples on the Earth.

[Neil]

What is so special about this that it deserves a thread? Surely similar organisations exist everywhere? I thought that "white supremacy" groups etc. exist in the USA as well? We certainly have Neonazis that fund similar clubs.

This isn't a white supremacy group, though. It openly says that every ethnicity should have an organization that supports their own history and culture. They're just including "Anglo-Saxon", or "English" as an ethnicity. I find that to be... odd.

Because you're a racist.

[Zanza]

There are Welsh groups... which, to me, makes sense. The Welsh were a tribe that were deliberately forced to assimilate - the point of making their own language illegal to speak or use in any legal way (schools were forbidden to use the language at all). Having a "support group" seems kind of silly since it's no longer being discriminated against, but it still makes more sense than an Anglo-Saxon one.

But the English are the dominant culture, language, and population in the UK. Their history is well-known, well-documented, and well-researched. How on earth can anyone of Anglo-Saxon descent ever feel like an outsider?

They are a minority in their own capital for example.

[garbon]

There are Welsh groups... which, to me, makes sense. The Welsh were a tribe that were deliberately forced to assimilate - the point of making their own language illegal to speak or use in any legal way (schools were forbidden to use the language at all). Having a "support group" seems kind of silly since it's no longer being discriminated against, but it still makes more sense than an Anglo-Saxon one.

But the English are the dominant culture, language, and population in the UK. Their history is well-known, well-documented, and well-researched. How on earth can anyone of Anglo-Saxon descent ever feel like an outsider?

They are a minority in their own capital for example.

[Jacob]

This isn't a white supremacy group, though. It openly says that every ethnicity should have an organization that supports their own history and culture. They're just including "Anglo-Saxon", or "English" as an ethnicity. I find that to be... odd.

It's most likely a white supremacy group with slightly better marketing materials.

[Barrister]

This isn't a white supremacy group, though. It openly says that every ethnicity should have an organization that supports their own history and culture. They're just including "Anglo-Saxon", or "English" as an ethnicity. I find that to be... odd.

It's most likely a white supremacy group with slightly better marketing materials.

Yeah.

I have absolutely no problem in theory with a group that wants to promote english culture and heritage.

It's just that in the real world every group that has ever claimed that was their purpose was, in fact, a white supremacist group.

[derspiess]

But the English are the dominant culture, language, and population in the UK.

That's on its way out, dear.

[garbon]

But the English are the dominant culture, language, and population in the UK.

That's on its way out, dear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_British

Hard to see how 80% of total UK pop and 45% of London indicates that White British is on its way out.

[garbon]

This isn't a white supremacy group, though. It openly says that every ethnicity should have an organization that supports their own history and culture. They're just including "Anglo-Saxon", or "English" as an ethnicity. I find that to be... odd.

It's most likely a white supremacy group with slightly better marketing materials.

Yeah.

I have absolutely no problem in theory with a group that wants to promote english culture and heritage.

It's just that in the real world every group that has ever claimed that was their purpose was, in fact, a white supremacist group.

And particularly when a group lists aims like:

A) TO RELIEVE POVERTY AMONG MEMBERS OF THE ANGLO-SAXON COMMUNITY LIVING IN ENGLAND;
B) TO PROMOTE THE PRESERVATION & PROTECTION OF HEALTH SUCH PERSONS;
C) TO ADVANCE EDUCATION AMONG SUCH PERSONS;
D) TO PROVIDE OR ASSIST IN THE PROVISION OF FACILITIES FOR SUCH PERSONS IN THE INTERESTS OF SOCIAL WELFARE AND WITH THE OBJECT OF IMPROVING THEIR CONDITIONS OF LIFE;

That's quite a bit different from simply celebrating a culture.

[merithyn]

But the English are the dominant culture, language, and population in the UK.

That's on its way out, dear.

I hardly think so, honey.

[Agelastus]

And particularly when a group lists aims like:

A) TO RELIEVE POVERTY AMONG MEMBERS OF THE ANGLO-SAXON COMMUNITY LIVING IN ENGLAND;
B) TO PROMOTE THE PRESERVATION & PROTECTION OF HEALTH SUCH PERSONS;
C) TO ADVANCE EDUCATION AMONG SUCH PERSONS;
D) TO PROVIDE OR ASSIST IN THE PROVISION OF FACILITIES FOR SUCH PERSONS IN THE INTERESTS OF SOCIAL WELFARE AND WITH THE OBJECT OF IMPROVING THEIR CONDITIONS OF LIFE;

That's quite a bit different from simply celebrating a culture.

It's a registered charity - what do you expect their list of goals to look like? Well, given they're not a Public School (British type) anyway...

And they've never reported having enough money to worry about them, whether they be genuine or racist.

I shall have to see if my relatives who live in Macclesfield have ever heard of them.

[The Brain]

I agree with my body that some ethnic groups shouldn't be allowed to get organized.