I would love to do this here in Champaign/Urbana. I think it's a brilliant plan.
Article (http://www.takepart.com/article/2012/02/21/its-not-fairytale-seattle-build-nations-first-food-forest)
QuoteSeattle's vision of an urban food oasis is going forward. A seven-acre plot of land in the city's Beacon Hill neighborhood will be planted with hundreds of different kinds of edibles: walnut and chestnut trees; blueberry and raspberry bushes; fruit trees, including apples and pears; exotics like pineapple, yuzu citrus, guava, persimmons, honeyberries, and lingonberries; herbs; and more. All will be available for public plucking to anyone who wanders into the city's first food forest.
"This is totally innovative, and has never been done before in a public park," Margarett Harrison, lead landscape architect for the Beacon Food Forest project, tells TakePart. Harrison is working on construction and permit drawings now and expects to break ground this summer.
The concept of a food forest certainly pushes the envelope on urban agriculture and is grounded in the concept of permaculture, which means it will be perennial and self-sustaining, like a forest is in the wild. Not only is this forest Seattle's first large-scale permaculture project, but it's also believed to be the first of its kind in the nation.
"The concept means we consider the soils, companion plants, insects, bugs—everything will be mutually beneficial to each other," says Harrison.
That the plan came together at all is remarkable on its own. What started as a group project for a permaculture design course ended up as a textbook example of community outreach gone right.
"Friends of the Food Forest undertook heroic outreach efforts to secure neighborhood support. The team mailed over 6,000 postcards in five different languages, tabled at events and fairs, and posted fliers," writes Robert Mellinger for Crosscut.
Neighborhood input was so valued by the organizers, they even used translators to help Chinese residents have a voice in the planning.
So just who gets to harvest all that low-hanging fruit when the time comes?
"Anyone and everyone," says Harrison. "There was major discussion about it. People worried, 'What if someone comes and takes all the blueberries?' That could very well happen, but maybe someone needed those blueberries. We look at it this way—if we have none at the end of blueberry season, then it means we're successful."
A Seattle buddy of mine told me you can tell it's spring when all the long hairs crawl on their hand and knees in the public parks looking for magic mushrooms.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 04, 2013, 09:57:09 AM
A Seattle buddy of mine told me you can tell it's spring when all the long hairs crawl on their hand and knees in the public parks looking for magic mushrooms.
Sometimes I swear you're posting from the late 80s :P
I read recently where a lot of urban gardens produce food not safe to eat due to industrial waste still in the soil decades after nearby factories were torn down.
But if this thing works and they can justify the expense, great.
I have my doubts as to its actual implementation. Caring for a wide variety of species in an urban environment takes a lot of ongoing work, which is very expensive in terms of labour, and I imagine an urban food source is going to be vulnerable to vandalism.
However, very interesting concept.
Quote from: Malthus on April 04, 2013, 11:11:26 AM
I have my doubts as to its actual implementation. Caring for a wide variety of species in an urban environment takes a lot of ongoing work, which is very expensive in terms of labour, and I imagine an urban food source is going to be vulnerable to vandalism.
However, very interesting concept.
Urban gardening on vacant lots or any spare space has a pretty long tradition here in Vancouver. The evolution here is the size of the space. I assume they will develop it organically....
Now we just need to wipe out all third world people and replace their countries with low yield food forests and we can feed all the (few remaining) members of humanity.
Well that will turn out be the new home to Nickelsville.
Quote from: Malthus on April 04, 2013, 11:11:26 AM
I have my doubts as to its actual implementation. Caring for a wide variety of species in an urban environment takes a lot of ongoing work, which is very expensive in terms of labour, and I imagine an urban food source is going to be vulnerable to vandalism.
However, very interesting concept.
It's meant to be a permaculture forest, which means that it should require very little ongoing work compared to a typical field of veggies and fruits.
Quote from: merithyn on April 04, 2013, 09:50:22 AMQuote
"Anyone and everyone," says Harrison. "There was major discussion about it. People worried, 'What if someone comes and takes all the blueberries?' That could very well happen, but maybe someone needed those blueberries. We look at it this way—if we have none at the end of blueberry season, then it means we're successful."
:rolleyes:
Won't work, the hippies don't understand that my fellow spics will go and pick all the fruit and sell it. All of it.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 04, 2013, 11:29:53 AM
Quote from: Malthus on April 04, 2013, 11:11:26 AM
I have my doubts as to its actual implementation. Caring for a wide variety of species in an urban environment takes a lot of ongoing work, which is very expensive in terms of labour, and I imagine an urban food source is going to be vulnerable to vandalism.
However, very interesting concept.
Urban gardening on vacant lots or any spare space has a pretty long tradition here in Vancouver. The evolution here is the size of the space. I assume they will develop it organically....
I don't know if these same as what you're talking about - but here in many cities there are urban community gardens - but I don't think the public can generally just come and take whatever produce there is growing. So that's what strikes me about the Seattle proposal which is very different from one city I know of down in the Desert that gets angry if people take the orange off their trees (even though they just let those oranges fall and rot).
Quote from: lustindarkness on April 04, 2013, 12:24:12 PM
Won't work, the hippies don't understand that my fellow spics will go and pick all the fruit and sell it. All of it.
Yeah, this has tragedy of the commons written all over it.
Quote from: garbon on April 04, 2013, 12:26:23 PM
I don't know if these same as what you're talking about - but here in many cities there are urban community gardens - but I don't think the public can generally just come and take whatever produce there is growing. So that's what strikes me about the Seattle proposal which is very different from one city I know of down in the Desert that gets angry if people take the orange off their trees (even though they just let those oranges fall and rot).
:yes:
I think that's the biggest difference. That and the fact that it's a permaculture, so it won't require the continual upkeep that most urban community gardens require. And there's no fee, again, something that happens with the urban community gardens that I'm aware of.
Quote from: merithyn on April 04, 2013, 12:30:52 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 04, 2013, 12:26:23 PM
I don't know if these same as what you're talking about - but here in many cities there are urban community gardens - but I don't think the public can generally just come and take whatever produce there is growing. So that's what strikes me about the Seattle proposal which is very different from one city I know of down in the Desert that gets angry if people take the orange off their trees (even though they just let those oranges fall and rot).
:yes:
I think that's the biggest difference. That and the fact that it's a permaculture, so it won't require the continual upkeep that most urban community gardens require. And there's no fee, again, something that happens with the urban community gardens that I'm aware of.
I am not sure what urban community gardens are where you live but here there is no fee and people pretty much do as they please. The only difference between what they are going to do in Seattle and what already occurs here is the size of the space that is going to be provided.
It is, as Malthus said, an interesting concept. I hope it works.
For it to work (and to avoid the tragedy of the commons) people will create and enforce their own norms about things like harvesting. It works on a small scale here. We will see how it works on a bigger scale.
Quote from: DGuller on April 04, 2013, 12:28:51 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on April 04, 2013, 12:24:12 PM
Won't work, the hippies don't understand that my fellow spics will go and pick all the fruit and sell it. All of it.
Yeah, this has tragedy of the commons written all over it.
Uh, yeah. Seattle is a city with a lot of nice, cooperative people but it only takes a few selfish types to screw it all up.
Quote from: DGuller on April 04, 2013, 12:28:51 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on April 04, 2013, 12:24:12 PM
Won't work, the hippies don't understand that my fellow spics will go and pick all the fruit and sell it. All of it.
Yeah, this has tragedy of the commons written all over it.
I know a way to solve that tragedy by turning it into a statistic.
Quote from: merithyn on April 04, 2013, 12:15:43 PM
Quote from: Malthus on April 04, 2013, 11:11:26 AM
I have my doubts as to its actual implementation. Caring for a wide variety of species in an urban environment takes a lot of ongoing work, which is very expensive in terms of labour, and I imagine an urban food source is going to be vulnerable to vandalism.
However, very interesting concept.
It's meant to be a permaculture forest, which means that it should require very little ongoing work compared to a typical field of veggies and fruits.
I dunno. Strikes me that having literally hundreds of species means dealing with hundreds of different kinds of pest, disease, and parasite.
This does not strike me as a cost and labour minimizing strategy. But perhaps my early experiences of agriculture - which convinced me that wringing actual food from the jaws of nature was a tough proposition - have soured me. Having weekends spent picking off potato beetles and cabbage cutworms can do that. :lol:
Quote from: Malthus on April 04, 2013, 12:53:10 PM
Having weekends spent picking off potato beetles and cabbage cutworms can do that. :lol:
You rich kids get all the fun.
Quote from: Malthus on April 04, 2013, 12:53:10 PM
I dunno. Strikes me that having literally hundreds of species means dealing with hundreds of different kinds of pest, disease, and parasite.
This does not strike me as a cost and labour minimizing strategy. But perhaps my early experiences of agriculture - which convinced me that wringing actual food from the jaws of nature was a tough proposition - have soured me. Having weekends spent picking off potato beetles and cabbage cutworms can do that. :lol:
The permaculture philosophy entails planting the right kinds of plants near each other to help alleviate those kinds of problems. Just as they happen in nature rather than as they do in a structured, row garden. I've seen gardens like this, and they work amazingly well. I've never seen one this size before, nor have I known of any to be open for others to pick from. Because all of this requires a certain amount of balance, the way the fruits and such are harvested will probably affect how it all grows.
Only time will tell if it works, but I certainly hope it does.
The only way you could get a tragedy of the commons is if people went in and chopped down the trees.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 04, 2013, 01:22:52 PM
The only way you could get a tragedy of the commons is if people went in and chopped down the trees.
In the literal sense yes. But in the wider meaning of that phrase if a group of Lusti's come in one night and take all the goods before anyone else can enjoy the harvest then the whole point of the project will have been undone. People will stop caring for it and it will go to waste.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 04, 2013, 12:39:00 PM
I am not sure what urban community gardens are where you live but here there is no fee and people pretty much do as they please. The only difference between what they are going to do in Seattle and what already occurs here is the size of the space that is going to be provided.
Well, there are these plots of land owned by the city that people can pay a small fee to rent for one year. People are allowed to do as they please with their bit of land, so long as what they do isn't permanent and doesn't infringe on their neighbors. In Champaign-Urbana, you can rent the same plot for consecutive years if you get your application in by the end of November. In the NW 'burbs of Chicago, you could request the same plot, but there were no guarantees that you'd get it, since the city wanted to make sure that the same plants weren't being put in the same plots year after year, therefore depleting the soil.
Perhaps we're not as enlightened - or have as much money to throw around - as Vancouver, but I'm pretty well-versed in how community gardens in our area and in the Chicago area work. Given that this particular garden being discussed is being built with the intent of having permanent plants, no individual plots, anyone can pick the produce, and there is no fee, it is not much at all like community gardens as I know them. Hence my comments.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 04, 2013, 01:25:19 PM
In the literal sense yes. But in the wider meaning of that phrase if a group of Lusti's come in one night and take all the goods before anyone else can enjoy the harvest then the whole point of the project will have been undone. People will stop caring for it and it will go to waste.
It won't go to waste. Lusti's cousins will sell it to people who eat it.
The director of the project specifically said that if someone comes in on day one and harvests all the blueberries that would be fine with him.
The people is doesn't work for are those who would like the option value to go and pick some fruit if the mood strikes them at some undetermined time in the future.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 04, 2013, 01:30:44 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 04, 2013, 01:25:19 PM
In the literal sense yes. But in the wider meaning of that phrase if a group of Lusti's come in one night and take all the goods before anyone else can enjoy the harvest then the whole point of the project will have been undone. People will stop caring for it and it will go to waste.
It won't go to waste. Lusti's cousins will sell it to people who eat it.
The director of the project specifically said that if someone comes in on day one and harvests all the blueberries that would be fine with him.
The people is doesn't work for are those who would like the option value to go and pick some fruit if the mood strikes them at some undetermined time in the future.
:yes:
I just wish some of my cousins send me a few $ after they sell all that fruit.
Quote from: lustindarkness on April 04, 2013, 02:03:58 PM
I just wish some of my cousins send me a few $ after they sell all that fruit.
No chance. Those wifebeaters aren't free you know.
Quote from: merithyn on April 04, 2013, 01:28:31 PM
Perhaps we're not as enlightened - or have as much money to throw around - as Vancouver, but I'm pretty well-versed in how community gardens in our area and in the Chicago area work. Given that this particular garden being discussed is being built with the intent of having permanent plants, no individual plots, anyone can pick the produce, and there is no fee, it is not much at all like community gardens as I know them. Hence my comments.
While it is undoubtly true that the area where you live is not as affluent or as enlightened as Vancouver (few areas of the world are) that has nothing to do with whether a fee is paid or not.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 04, 2013, 02:36:17 PM
While it is undoubtly true that the area where you live is not as affluent or as enlightened as Vancouver (few areas of the world are) that has nothing to do with whether a fee is paid or not.
Given that the fee pays for the upkeep of the garden area - something the city doesn't feel it should pay for - I'd say that it has everything to do with both.
A Fee = not as affluent
City doesn't feel it should pay = not as enlightened (by your standard)
Regardless, the point is that my comments were appropriate. Despite your best continued wishes, the whole of the world does not run as it does in Vancouver. You may have to broaden your horizons a bit and imagine a world beyond your personal borders so that you can converse with others on topics that you do not know well.
Quick Meri-- scare him with your shotgun! You did get one, right? :unsure:
Quote from: derspiess on April 04, 2013, 02:44:32 PM
Quick Meri-- scare him with your shotgun! You did get one, right? :unsure:
Not yet. :(
I hope this fall. The girl needed money for volleyball and braces. :weep:
first food poisoning case connected to it and it'll be dug up within 5 years.
Quote from: merithyn on April 04, 2013, 01:19:34 PM
Quote from: Malthus on April 04, 2013, 12:53:10 PM
I dunno. Strikes me that having literally hundreds of species means dealing with hundreds of different kinds of pest, disease, and parasite.
This does not strike me as a cost and labour minimizing strategy. But perhaps my early experiences of agriculture - which convinced me that wringing actual food from the jaws of nature was a tough proposition - have soured me. Having weekends spent picking off potato beetles and cabbage cutworms can do that. :lol:
The permaculture philosophy entails planting the right kinds of plants near each other to help alleviate those kinds of problems. Just as they happen in nature rather than as they do in a structured, row garden. I've seen gardens like this, and they work amazingly well. I've never seen one this size before, nor have I known of any to be open for others to pick from. Because all of this requires a certain amount of balance, the way the fruits and such are harvested will probably affect how it all grows.
Only time will tell if it works, but I certainly hope it does.
I've looked for food in nature (again, one of the benefits of having a wilderness-survival-nut for a dad; you get to try out being a hunter-gatherer as well as an agriculturalist). It is generally not free of bugs. Bugs are part of nature, too. The unpleasant (yet fascinating) part.
Anything you like to eat, there are bugs that like to eat, too. They often get there first.
Quote from: merithyn on April 04, 2013, 12:15:43 PM
It's meant to be a permaculture forest, which means that it should require very little ongoing work compared to a typical field of veggies and fruits.
I realize this is the hippies talking and not you but... apples don't just magically grow themselves. You have to do a lot of work to help the trees give a decent yield in the first place (pruning, training) and then more to keep fungus and critters from devouring the apples. Trust me on this one. :bowler:
Quote from: Malthus on April 04, 2013, 03:07:39 PM
I've looked for food in nature (again, one of the benefits of having a wilderness-survival-nut for a dad; you get to try out being a hunter-gatherer as well as an agriculturalist). It is generally not free of bugs. Bugs are part of nature, too. The unpleasant (yet fascinating) part.
Anything you like to eat, there are bugs that like to eat, too. They often get there first.
Yeah and... unless you spray the living shit out of apples and/or bag them, you won't have apples that look 'nice' like the ones you get at the supermarket, and therefore most people aren't going to want to touch them.
Yeah, I wouldn't touch the pears that grow on my pear tree in front of the house :yucky:
Quote from: merithyn on April 04, 2013, 02:40:52 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 04, 2013, 02:36:17 PM
While it is undoubtly true that the area where you live is not as affluent or as enlightened as Vancouver (few areas of the world are) that has nothing to do with whether a fee is paid or not.
Given that the fee pays for the upkeep of the garden area - something the city doesn't feel it should pay for - I'd say that it has everything to do with both.
A Fee = not as affluent
City doesn't feel it should pay = not as enlightened (by your standard)
Regardless, the point is that my comments were appropriate. Despite your best continued wishes, the whole of the world does not run as it does in Vancouver. You may have to broaden your horizons a bit and imagine a world beyond your personal borders so that you can converse with others on topics that you do not know well.
Your underlying assumption is that any of what I was talking about costs the city anything. If you go back an re-read my posts it doesnt. Which is why I said that your version of urban community gardening is different than it is here.
It is also too bad the rest of the world does do it like we do. The world would be a better place.
Quote from: Caliga on April 04, 2013, 03:08:04 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 04, 2013, 12:15:43 PM
It's meant to be a permaculture forest, which means that it should require very little ongoing work compared to a typical field of veggies and fruits.
I realize this is the hippies talking and not you but... apples don't just magically grow themselves.
I dont know, for years we had a large apple tree in our back yard that produced the most delicious apples I have ever had. All we did was pick the apples (and transport most of them to the food bank because there were way too many for us to eat on our own).
If I had a surplus of apples in my backyard I'd shoot them. WITH GUNS.
Quote from: derspiess on April 04, 2013, 03:28:22 PM
If I had a surplus of apples in my backyard I'd shoot them. WITH GUNS.
You would do that even if there was no surplus.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 04, 2013, 04:39:22 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 04, 2013, 03:28:22 PM
If I had a surplus of apples in my backyard I'd shoot them. WITH GUNS.
You would do that even if there was no surplus.
Nah, not if I have to buy it. When I go to the plinking range I shoot at milk jugs & large plastic juice bottles filled with water.
When watermelons get cheap I might buy a couple of those to try out.
Hmmmmmm....apple butter.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 04, 2013, 03:26:34 PM
I dont know, for years we had a large apple tree in our back yard that produced the most delicious apples I have ever had. All we did was pick the apples (and transport most of them to the food bank because there were way too many for us to eat on our own).
Yeah, but see your tree was in Canada, and Canada is a magical place where everything is perfect. :)
:huh:
Apple butter on biscuits = DELICIOUS.
Fruit in butter form= delicious.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 04, 2013, 07:08:27 PM
Fruit in butter form= delicious.
:yes:
Except pumpkin butter :yucky:
I can't wait for the Michigan cherry crop to come in. Cherry Butter. :)
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 04, 2013, 07:13:03 PM
I can't wait for the Michigan cherry crop to come in. Cherry Butter. :)
And you still wonder why you get the shits?
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 04, 2013, 07:13:03 PM
I can't wait for the Michigan cherry crop to come in. Cherry Butter. :)
Fuck that. 10 lb bucket of frozen sour cherries, and magic happens: cherry juice, cherry lambic, cherry pie, and home-made maraschino cherries.
And cherry extract.
Frozen. How plebian.
Quote from: Scipio on April 04, 2013, 07:16:51 PM
cherry pie
Tastes so good it makes a grown man cry? :cool:
Cherry pie = gross
Get something with chocolate or least make it apple.
Quote from: garbon on April 04, 2013, 07:23:47 PM
Cherry pie = gross
Get something with chocolate or least make it apple.
This is correct.
Weirdos.
Cherry makes a damn fine pie.
Very crust-dependent in my experience however.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 04, 2013, 07:40:40 PM
Weirdos.
Hey you can keep your bad taste. Just means more good stuff for me. :)
Quote from: garbon on April 04, 2013, 07:23:47 PM
Cherry pie = gross
Get something with chocolate
LOL I GET IT.
Quote from: garbon on April 04, 2013, 07:23:47 PM
Cherry pie = gross
Get something with chocolate or least make it apple.
I am, as desserts go, pro-cherry, pro-chocolate, and pro-apple.
Quote from: fahdiz on April 04, 2013, 07:55:26 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 04, 2013, 07:23:47 PM
Cherry pie = gross
Get something with chocolate or least make it apple.
I am, as desserts go, pro-cherry, pro-chocolate, and pro-apple.
Way to pick a side. :rolleyes:
Quote from: garbon on April 04, 2013, 07:56:33 PM
Quote from: fahdiz on April 04, 2013, 07:55:26 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 04, 2013, 07:23:47 PM
Cherry pie = gross
Get something with chocolate or least make it apple.
I am, as desserts go, pro-cherry, pro-chocolate, and pro-apple.
Way to pick a side. :rolleyes:
While I don't have much of a sweet tooth, there's not many desserts I don't like.
I guess if I had to pick one I actively avoid, it's flan.
Great, fagdiz is Flanders.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 04, 2013, 08:00:16 PM
Great, fagdiz is Flanders.
Okeley dokely!
You're just jealous because you didn't make Ide's haters list.
Quote from: fahdiz on April 04, 2013, 07:58:49 PM
While I don't have much of a sweet tooth
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Quote from: garbon on April 04, 2013, 08:01:18 PM
Quote from: fahdiz on April 04, 2013, 07:58:49 PM
While I don't have much of a sweet tooth
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Great show :thumbsup:
That's weird as a loop; it kind of loses all meaning, like when you say a word over and over again.
I love desserts and Golden Girls.
But they should have a bit of sharpness. I'd have sour cherry over cherry every time :mmm:
Quote from: fahdiz on April 04, 2013, 08:01:03 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 04, 2013, 08:00:16 PM
Great, fagdiz is Flanders.
Okeley dokely!
You're just jealous because you didn't make Ide's haters list.
:grr:
Quote from: fahdiz on April 04, 2013, 08:03:11 PM
That's weird as a loop; it kind of loses all meaning, like when you say a word over and over again.
I think it needs several more frames. Besides, I wasn't about to post a youtube link. :D
Quote from: fahdiz on April 04, 2013, 07:58:49 PM
I guess if I had to pick one I actively avoid, it's flan.
:o
Yeah. That baffled me too. What do you mean by flan?
Quote from: katmai on April 04, 2013, 08:13:53 PM
Quote from: fahdiz on April 04, 2013, 07:58:49 PM
I guess if I had to pick one I actively avoid, it's flan.
:o
I know, I know. I've tried. But it's gross.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 04, 2013, 08:15:55 PM
Yeah. That baffled me too. What do you mean by flan?
It's a Mexican custard.
Quote from: fahdiz on April 04, 2013, 08:16:10 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 04, 2013, 08:13:53 PM
Quote from: fahdiz on April 04, 2013, 07:58:49 PM
I guess if I had to pick one I actively avoid, it's flan.
:o
I know, I know. I've tried. But it's gross.
When the revolution comes, you are off the safe list pal!
Quote from: fahdiz on April 04, 2013, 08:16:26 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 04, 2013, 08:15:55 PM
Yeah. That baffled me too. What do you mean by flan?
It's a Mexican custard.
Okay. Yeah definitely baffled by you know.
(I asked because flan in the UK can refer to a sort of tart or a sort of creme caramel. I can be indifferent to a poorly made tart but would kill for a good creme caramel/flan.)
Flan is awesome when made right. As simple as it is, it's easy to screw up.
Quote from: fahdiz on April 04, 2013, 08:16:26 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 04, 2013, 08:15:55 PM
Yeah. That baffled me too. What do you mean by flan?
It's a Mexican custard.
What's that a mixture of refried beans, salsa, and Menudo.
Quote from: 11B4V on April 04, 2013, 08:22:29 PM
Quote from: fahdiz on April 04, 2013, 08:16:26 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 04, 2013, 08:15:55 PM
Yeah. That baffled me too. What do you mean by flan?
It's a Mexican custard.
What's that a mixture of refried beans, salsa, and Menudo.
So that is what happened to Ricky Martin.
Quote from: katmai on April 04, 2013, 08:19:27 PM
Quote from: fahdiz on April 04, 2013, 08:16:10 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 04, 2013, 08:13:53 PM
Quote from: fahdiz on April 04, 2013, 07:58:49 PM
I guess if I had to pick one I actively avoid, it's flan.
:o
I know, I know. I've tried. But it's gross.
When the revolution comes, you are off the safe list pal!
It is pretty bad in a - why would I waste the calories sort of way.
Quote from: fahdiz on April 04, 2013, 08:16:26 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 04, 2013, 08:15:55 PM
Yeah. That baffled me too. What do you mean by flan?
It's a Mexican custard.
Please tell me you're just fucking with me now. Flan is Spanish, isn't it?? :unsure:
Quote from: merithyn on April 04, 2013, 11:52:45 PM
Please tell me you're just fucking with me now. Flan is Spanish, isn't it?? :unsure:
From the Wikipedia article: "In Spanish-speaking countries and in North America, flan refers to crème caramel. This was originally a Spanish usage, but the dish is now best known in the United States in a Latin American context."
So yes, you're right, but I've never had it in Spain, only in Mexico and in Mexican restaurants here in the US.
First chorizo and now flan! Is there anything devious Mexicans won't steal from our cuisine? :mad:
Quote from: The Larch on April 05, 2013, 05:26:02 AM
First chorizo and now flan! Is there anything devious Mexicans won't steal from our cuisine? :mad:
Your jobs are next.
LOL, gringos lump all spics as mexicans, what a surprise.
Quote from: lustindarkness on April 05, 2013, 08:55:26 AM
LOL, gringos lump all spics as mexicans, what a surprise.
.
You all look the same.
Quote from: lustindarkness on April 05, 2013, 08:55:26 AM
LOL, gringos lump all spics as mexicans, what a surprise.
I asked my older foster sister about the chorizo thing. She thought it was Mexican, too. Then she and I looked it up, and apparently, Spanish chorizo and Mexican chorizo are very different, at least as she and I know them. And "chorizo" appears to just mean sausage, which makes sense that they're different depending on which country you're talking about.
Quote from: merithyn on April 05, 2013, 08:58:56 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on April 05, 2013, 08:55:26 AM
LOL, gringos lump all spics as mexicans, what a surprise.
I asked my older foster sister about the chorizo thing. She thought it was Mexican, too. Then she and I looked it up, and apparently, Spanish chorizo and Mexican chorizo are very different, at least as she and I know them. And "chorizo" appears to just mean sausage, which makes sense that they're different depending on which country you're talking about.
Still not exclusively Mexican, sorry :contract:
FWIW, Mexican chorizo and Argentine chorizo taste fairly similar to me.
All this talk about chorizo is making think about
bife de chorizo :mmm: , which has nothing to do with the sausage.
Quote from: derspiess on April 05, 2013, 09:04:24 AM
Quote from: merithyn on April 05, 2013, 08:58:56 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on April 05, 2013, 08:55:26 AM
LOL, gringos lump all spics as mexicans, what a surprise.
I asked my older foster sister about the chorizo thing. She thought it was Mexican, too. Then she and I looked it up, and apparently, Spanish chorizo and Mexican chorizo are very different, at least as she and I know them. And "chorizo" appears to just mean sausage, which makes sense that they're different depending on which country you're talking about.
Still not exclusively Mexican, sorry :contract:
:huh:
I know. That's what the bolded part was saying. I didn't understand that the word chorizo meant sausage in Spanish, rather than that it was a specific dish in Mexican cuisine. (FWIW, my sister was the same.) Now we both know. :)
On Saturdays I go to a lady's house to eat authentic Mexican tacos. We know her as "The Taco Lady". She sells tacos out of her home of chorizo (my fav), lengua (tongue), bistec (steak), and carnitas (pork). :licklips:
Quote from: lustindarkness on April 05, 2013, 09:35:32 AM
On Saturdays I go to a lady's house to eat authentic Mexican tacos. We know her as "The Taco Lady". She sells tacos out of her home of chorizo (my fav), lengua (tongue), bistec (steak), and carnitas (pork). :licklips:
Everything sounds awesome except for the lengua. Ick.
Quote from: derspiess on April 05, 2013, 09:44:18 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on April 05, 2013, 09:35:32 AM
On Saturdays I go to a lady's house to eat authentic Mexican tacos. We know her as "The Taco Lady". She sells tacos out of her home of chorizo (my fav), lengua (tongue), bistec (steak), and carnitas (pork). :licklips:
Everything sounds awesome except for the lengua. Ick.
It is tHe Awes0me! Very tender.
Flan is french.
Spanish, mexican, creme caranel, all not flan.
Argentines eat a lot of french-type pastries & whatnot-- I read recently that the Germans actually introduced them to Argie cuisine.
Quote from: lustindarkness on April 05, 2013, 09:46:17 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 05, 2013, 09:44:18 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on April 05, 2013, 09:35:32 AM
On Saturdays I go to a lady's house to eat authentic Mexican tacos. We know her as "The Taco Lady". She sells tacos out of her home of chorizo (my fav), lengua (tongue), bistec (steak), and carnitas (pork). :licklips:
Everything sounds awesome except for the lengua. Ick.
It is tHe Awes0me! Very tender.
You can keep that. And ox tail or whatever it is.
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 05, 2013, 09:47:07 AM
Flan is french.
Spanish, mexican, creme caranel, all not flan.
No, creme caramel is french, flan is spanish and worlwide. It is still the same thing, just in frog language. :D
No, no, no, no. No.
Flan has flour, Creme caramel does not.
Flan doesn't have flour.
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 05, 2013, 10:26:23 AM
No, no, no, no. No.
Flan has flour, Creme caramel does not.
They're the exact same thing dude.
Lengua :mmm:
Like the people who introduced us to poutine have a clue about flan
Chipotle makes the best burritos!
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 05, 2013, 10:26:23 AM
No, no, no, no. No.
Flan has flour, Creme caramel does not.
Are you talking about the british flan? Or you just talking out of your ass?
I don't know what the British Flan is.
There's flan it's made by whisking eggs, milk & flour together and cooked in an oven
& there's Creme caramel, what you guys refer to flan but it's not flan, it's creme caramel.
Quote from: derspiess on April 05, 2013, 10:31:53 AM
Chipotle makes the best burritos!
No, Conzumel Grill on hwy 31, right in Pelham. :p
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 05, 2013, 10:40:25 AM
I don't know what the British Flan is.
There's flan it's made by whisking eggs, milk & flour together and cooked in an oven
& there's Creme caramel, what you guys refer to flan but it's not flan, it's creme caramel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flan_(custard)
English wikipedia is wrong.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flan_(dessert)
Can we just kill the faux frog already ?
Quote from: katmai on April 05, 2013, 10:49:28 AM
Can we just kill the faux frog already ?
:console:
No.
It's a terrible place to eat for those looking for snob value.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 05, 2013, 11:16:55 AM
It's a terrible place to eat for those looking for snob value.
It's nothing about snob value - I just find their burritos to be mostly tasteless, particularly after having spent several years in a land of taquerias. I suppose a leg up over most "similar*" fast food burritos though.
*thinking like Moe's and Qdoba.
So really Yi agree with your assessment of they're fine. Alright but nothing to get excited about and certainly not the best. :D
I was trolling kat :secret:
You are teh fail!
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 05, 2013, 10:45:25 AM
English wikipedia is wrong.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flan_(dessert)
Apparently, the first known flan-type foods actually came from ancient Rome. There were similar dishes all over the world, however, that were developed independently around the same time.
Quote"[English] Roman period...eggs took on a much greater importance in Roman times, when domestic fowl first became common. With eggs for the first time available on such a scale, it was now possible to consider them seriously in cookery..[the Romans] exploited eggs as a thickening or binding agent for other foods. They borrowed from the Greeks the idea of combining eggs with milk to form a custard mixture, which was either cooked very slowly in an earthenware pot, or fried in oil...Another kind of egg confection was made of fruit or vegetables, or fish or shredded meat, bound with eggs and lightly cooked in the open dish called a "patina." ...The "flathons" (flans), "crustards" and other open tarts of medieval cookery again recall the old "patinae," with the shallow open dish of the Romans replaced by an open pastry crust, and the filling once more mixed and bound with eggs."
---Food and Drink in Britain: From the Stone Age to the 19th Century, C. Anne Wilson [Academy Chicago Publishers:Chicago] 1991 (p. 138, p.142)
NOTE: This book has an excellent chapter on the histoy of eggs in English cookery (pages 137-148)
The type of flan as we know it today was considered a healthy dish in the Renaissance period, and shows up in various medicinal guides for those suffering from a bunch of different maladies.
QuoteAccording to Platina's De Honesta Voluptate[On Right Pleasure and Good Health], an Italian cookery text published approximately 1475, custard-type dishes were considered health food. In addition to being nourishing they were thought to soothe the chest, aid the kidneys and liver, increase fertility and eliminate certain urinary tract problems.
But yes, the Creme Caramel was developed by the French, though there were similar dishes in Spain, Portugal, China, the Middle East, and northern Africa around the same time. So, it's probably most correct to say that the name for Creme Caramel came from the French, but the dish surpasses the name.
http://www.foodtimeline.org/foodpuddings.html#flan (http://www.foodtimeline.org/foodpuddings.html#flan)
Quote from: derspiess on April 05, 2013, 11:38:07 AM
I was trolling kat :secret:
You tricked me with the 2nd post. I thought as much with the first one but then your second one seemed so earnest. :blush:
Quote from: garbon on April 05, 2013, 12:09:54 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 05, 2013, 11:38:07 AM
I was trolling kat :secret:
You tricked me with the 2nd post. I thought as much with the first one but then your second one seemed so earnest. :blush:
I suppose I was fairly serious with that one. Chipotle is my favorite burrito place around here, mostly because of the fresh ingredients. Burritos at local authentic Mexican places just don't taste as fresh.
Mind you, I've had better than Chipotle in other areas.
Quote from: merithyn on April 05, 2013, 09:11:41 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 05, 2013, 09:04:24 AM
Quote from: merithyn on April 05, 2013, 08:58:56 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on April 05, 2013, 08:55:26 AM
LOL, gringos lump all spics as mexicans, what a surprise.
I asked my older foster sister about the chorizo thing. She thought it was Mexican, too. Then she and I looked it up, and apparently, Spanish chorizo and Mexican chorizo are very different, at least as she and I know them. And "chorizo" appears to just mean sausage, which makes sense that they're different depending on which country you're talking about.
Still not exclusively Mexican, sorry :contract:
:huh:
I know. That's what the bolded part was saying. I didn't understand that the word chorizo meant sausage in Spanish, rather than that it was a specific dish in Mexican cuisine. (FWIW, my sister was the same.) Now we both know. :)
Chorizo doesn't mean sausage.
If Meri didn't eat salchicha, it doesn't exist.
Okay, I'll stop now :P
Will the Seattle hippy food forest have chorizoquezo taco trees? :hmm:
Meri, you can't let The Forehead out-bean you.
Quote from: The Larch on April 05, 2013, 12:19:30 PM
Chorizo doesn't mean sausage.
So, a quick lesson in the development of languages. If a word means something in one country, but then is carried to other places that use it to mean something similar but not exactly the same, in those countries that word has a new meaning. In this case, just because chorizo is a particular kind of sausage in Spain, it doesn't mean that it doesn't mean "sausage" elsewhere. It's almost like a brand name at that point.
For example, in English, one wipes their nose with a tissue. However, in the US, we tend to wipe our noses with Kleenex, even though it may not be the brand Kleenex tissue that we're using.
If a large part of the world uses the term "chorizo" to mean sausage, then, for them, that's exactly what it means. By common definition, it means a spicy pork sausage. That can be innumerable recipes from all over the place. So, while you may not use it to mean "sausage" in Spain, that does not negate the fact that it is, in fact, "sausage" in a whole hell of a lot of other places.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 05, 2013, 12:36:55 PM
Meri, you can't let The Forehead out-bean you.
I'm legitimate Hispandex. Or I will be when I get that passport :contract:
Chorizo is a sausage, but sausage is not chorizo.
Quote from: merithyn on April 05, 2013, 12:59:39 PM
Quote from: The Larch on April 05, 2013, 12:19:30 PM
Chorizo doesn't mean sausage.
So, a quick lesson in the development of languages. If a word means something in one country, but then is carried to other places that use it to mean something similar but not exactly the same, in those countries that word has a new meaning. In this case, just because chorizo is a particular kind of sausage in Spain, it doesn't mean that it doesn't mean "sausage" elsewhere. It's almost like a brand name at that point.
For example, in English, one wipes their nose with a tissue. However, in the US, we tend to wipe our noses with Kleenex, even though it may not be the brand Kleenex tissue that we're using.
If a large part of the world uses the term "chorizo" to mean sausage, then, for them, that's exactly what it means. By common definition, it means a spicy pork sausage. That can be innumerable recipes from all over the place. So, while you may not use it to mean "sausage" in Spain, that does not negate the fact that it is, in fact, "sausage" in a whole hell of a lot of other places.
He is right though. No where does Chorizo mean "sausage". The term is often used to desribe a kind of sausage but it does not mean sausage.
Maple does not mean syrop. But if you are using any other kind of syrop you are missing out.
Syrop? :D
Yeah wtf is syrop
Chorizo syrop?
:mmm:
Quote from: katmai on April 05, 2013, 01:50:32 PM
Yeah wtf is syrop
Maybe it's what Hans puts on his pancakes.
Pineapples can be grown in Seatlle?
Quote from: lustindarkness on April 05, 2013, 01:39:43 PM
Chorizo is a sausage, but sausage is not chorizo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_a_white_horse_is_not_a_horse
Congratulations - you have invented the beaner version of an ancient Chinese classic of logical discourse. :D
Quote from: Malthus on April 05, 2013, 03:17:41 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on April 05, 2013, 01:39:43 PM
Chorizo is a sausage, but sausage is not chorizo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_a_white_horse_is_not_a_horse
Congratulations - you have invented the beaner version of an ancient Chinese classic of logical discourse. :D
That reminds me of something Bill James wrote about the Supreme Court decision that said that baseball is a sport, not a business. James didn't reference the White Horse Dialogue directly (I'm not sure that he's even aware of it), but his discussion of the Court's logic sure sounds like the Court was ruling that a white horse isn't a horse.
Quote from: dps on April 05, 2013, 03:28:12 PM
Quote from: Malthus on April 05, 2013, 03:17:41 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on April 05, 2013, 01:39:43 PM
Chorizo is a sausage, but sausage is not chorizo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_a_white_horse_is_not_a_horse
Congratulations - you have invented the beaner version of an ancient Chinese classic of logical discourse. :D
That reminds me of something Bill James wrote about the Supreme Court decision that said that baseball is a sport, not a business. James didn't reference the White Horse Dialogue directly (I'm not sure that he's even aware of it), but his discussion of the Court's logic sure sounds like the Court was ruling that a white horse isn't a horse.
Heh we probably just killed the thread, as no-one else knows what the fuck we are talking about. :P
Quote from: Malthus on April 05, 2013, 07:41:14 PM
Quote from: dps on April 05, 2013, 03:28:12 PM
Quote from: Malthus on April 05, 2013, 03:17:41 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on April 05, 2013, 01:39:43 PM
Chorizo is a sausage, but sausage is not chorizo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_a_white_horse_is_not_a_horse
Congratulations - you have invented the beaner version of an ancient Chinese classic of logical discourse. :D
That reminds me of something Bill James wrote about the Supreme Court decision that said that baseball is a sport, not a business. James didn't reference the White Horse Dialogue directly (I'm not sure that he's even aware of it), but his discussion of the Court's logic sure sounds like the Court was ruling that a white horse isn't a horse.
Heh we probably just killed the thread, as no-one else knows what the fuck we are talking about. :P
And that is different than any other thread here?
Wait we are suppose to have some knowledge of the discussion going on in thread before we can comment....well fuck.
No shit.
Quote from: katmai on April 05, 2013, 07:46:30 PM
Wait we are suppose to have some knowledge of the discussion going on in thread before we can comment....well fuck.
I dont see that in the rules. :mad: Union grievance lodged for change in working conditions. :P
I believe that Languish is housed in Right to Work state so you are hosed.
I'd fire you all.
Fucking HR stooge
No shit.
I'd take away the microwaves and coffee machines from your break rooms, you disloyal little shits.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 05, 2013, 09:05:07 PM
I'd take away the microwaves and coffee machines from your break rooms, you disloyal little shits.
You mess with the coffee I will park my truck in your parking space, on top of your Challenger.
Quote from: lustindarkness on April 05, 2013, 09:17:21 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 05, 2013, 09:05:07 PM
I'd take away the microwaves and coffee machines from your break rooms, you disloyal little shits.
You mess with the coffee I will park my truck in your parking space, on top of your Challenger.
:grr:
:grr: <--- no coffee
:) <--- with coffee
Fucking with employees' coffee always seemed like the worst idea.
Okay, fine. We'll be pissed off *and* less productive.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 05, 2013, 09:05:07 PM
I'd take away the microwaves and coffee machines from your break rooms, you disloyal little shits.
I must break you. In my room.
Quote from: lustindarkness on April 05, 2013, 09:21:38 PM
:grr: <--- no coffee
:) <--- with coffee
Me & Coffee:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_lemcts3z3X1qbdjqc.gif&hash=f2760101d8739e224e9f6243ba2375fe9e0ee483)
You look heterosexual and white.
Quote from: The Brain on April 05, 2013, 09:32:53 PM
You look heterosexual and white.
With that haircut and range of expression?
:lol:
Quote from: The Brain on April 05, 2013, 09:35:58 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 05, 2013, 09:35:15 PM
Quote from: The Brain on April 05, 2013, 09:32:53 PM
You look heterosexual and white.
With that haircut and range of expression?
You're a woman aren't you?
I do believe my Languish profile has said so for quite some time.
Quote from: garbon on April 05, 2013, 09:35:15 PM
Quote from: The Brain on April 05, 2013, 09:32:53 PM
You look heterosexual and white.
With that haircut and range of expression?
You are a trite stereotype?
Quote from: garbon on April 05, 2013, 11:18:29 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 05, 2013, 11:16:55 AM
It's a terrible place to eat for those looking for snob value.
It's nothing about snob value - I just find their burritos to be mostly tasteless, particularly after having spent several years in a land of taquerias. I suppose a leg up over most "similar*" fast food burritos though.
*thinking like Moe's and Qdoba.
Moe's has tofu. Chipotle's, according to their menu, does not. :(
Wow, you guys are slow on the uptake. Our communist regime implemented stuff like that in 1960s. :lol:
Quote from: Malthus on April 04, 2013, 12:53:10 PMI dunno. Strikes me that having literally hundreds of species means dealing with hundreds of different kinds of pest, disease, and parasite.
That's note a nice thing to call Seattleites.
Quote from: Ideologue on April 06, 2013, 12:15:27 AM
Quote from: garbon on April 05, 2013, 11:18:29 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 05, 2013, 11:16:55 AM
It's a terrible place to eat for those looking for snob value.
It's nothing about snob value - I just find their burritos to be mostly tasteless, particularly after having spent several years in a land of taquerias. I suppose a leg up over most "similar*" fast food burritos though.
*thinking like Moe's and Qdoba.
Moe's has tofu. Chipotle's, according to their menu, does not. :(
Quote from: Ideologue on April 06, 2013, 12:15:27 AM
Quote from: garbon on April 05, 2013, 11:18:29 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 05, 2013, 11:16:55 AM
It's a terrible place to eat for those looking for snob value.
It's nothing about snob value - I just find their burritos to be mostly tasteless, particularly after having spent several years in a land of taquerias. I suppose a leg up over most "similar*" fast food burritos though.
*thinking like Moe's and Qdoba.
Moe's has tofu. Chipotle's, according to their menu, does not. :(
Tofu burritos are by definition not the best.
Woah deja vu in one post!
I'm that good. -_-
Quote from: Martinus on April 06, 2013, 01:18:46 AM
Wow, you guys are slow on the uptake. Our communist regime implemented stuff like that in 1960s. :lol:
Yeah, there are plots like this here as well. They regularly get cleaned out just before the harvest.
Quote from: Martinus on April 06, 2013, 01:18:46 AM
Wow, you guys are slow on the uptake. Our communist regime implemented stuff like that in 1960s. :lol:
Tofu?
Quote from: dps on April 06, 2013, 07:27:05 AM
Tofu?
Communism was pretty evil but even it didn't subject it's victims to tofu.
Quote from: Legbiter on April 06, 2013, 08:40:59 AM
Quote from: dps on April 06, 2013, 07:27:05 AM
Tofu?
Communism was pretty evil but even it didn't subject it's victims to tofu.
Tofu can be pretty rad. It just isn't a good ingredient for the best burritos.
Yeah, I'll concede that. But, personally, a component of "best" is "meets my strict dietary guidelines."
I think you left out arbitrary or poorly-conceived. :P
Quote from: garbon on April 06, 2013, 09:09:12 AM
Quote from: Legbiter on April 06, 2013, 08:40:59 AM
Quote from: dps on April 06, 2013, 07:27:05 AM
Tofu?
Communism was pretty evil but even it didn't subject it's victims to tofu.
Tofu can be pretty rad. It just isn't a good ingredient for the best burritos.
Never had that shit. Dont know a good reason why I'd eat it.
Because like I said - it can be good.
Quote from: garbon on April 06, 2013, 08:15:26 PM
I think you left out arbitrary or poorly-conceived. :P
Nonsense. I have the least arbitrary and well-conceived dietary rules of anyone I know; all the moreso, as they are subject to revision based on the state of the science. :smarty:
By contrast, most vegetarians aren't as thoughtful. Vegans: definitely not.
Quote from: 11B4V on April 06, 2013, 08:37:17 PM
Never had that shit. Dont know a good reason why I'd eat it.
You've never had miso soup with the little white cubes floating in it?
Miso soup. :wub:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 06, 2013, 09:43:53 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 06, 2013, 08:37:17 PM
Never had that shit. Dont know a good reason why I'd eat it.
You've never had miso soup with the little white cubes floating in it?
Ah, no. Sounds gross
Quote from: 11B4V on April 06, 2013, 09:59:04 PM
Ah, no. Sounds gross
It's probably the most innocuous and least offensive food imaginable.
Chicken broth. Forbidden. :(
When I was in SF, there was this lovely vegetarian Japanese place. Cash only but really divine.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 06, 2013, 09:43:53 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 06, 2013, 08:37:17 PM
Never had that shit. Dont know a good reason why I'd eat it.
You've never had miso soup with the little white cubes floating in it?
I have. And I avoided those horrid looking cubes.
Quote from: garbon on April 06, 2013, 09:09:12 AM
Tofu can be pretty rad.
No.
Plus, I don't need the phytoestrogen supplementation that comes with eating soy.
Quote from: Legbiter on April 07, 2013, 10:47:28 AM
Quote from: garbon on April 06, 2013, 09:09:12 AM
Tofu can be pretty rad.
No.
Plus, I don't need the phytoestrogen supplementation that comes with eating soy.
Too much estrogen in your body already?
Can't we all just agree that Garbon is horribly, horribly wrong?
Quote from: katmai on April 07, 2013, 07:50:51 PM
Can't we all just agree that Garbon is horribly, horribly wrong?
No.
Ewww another Tofu lover.
Quote from: katmai on April 07, 2013, 07:54:41 PM
Ewww another Tofu lover.
It has its uses.
I'd rather eat a dead animal though.
Quote from: Ideologue on April 06, 2013, 10:54:57 PM
Chicken broth. Forbidden. :(
You jewish or something?
Quote from: 11B4V on April 07, 2013, 07:58:39 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on April 06, 2013, 10:54:57 PM
Chicken broth. Forbidden. :(
You jewish or something?
The Jews, well-known for their aversion to fowl. :P
Quote from: Ideologue on April 07, 2013, 08:06:20 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 07, 2013, 07:58:39 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on April 06, 2013, 10:54:57 PM
Chicken broth. Forbidden. :(
You jewish or something?
The Jews, well-known for their aversion to fowl. :P
Particularly chicken soup. :lol:
a/k/a "the Jewish mothers' Penicillin"
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 06, 2013, 10:12:50 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 06, 2013, 09:59:04 PM
Ah, no. Sounds gross
It's probably the most innocuous and least offensive food imaginable.
It's tasteless but some peopel might dislike the texture.
Quote from: Gups on April 08, 2013, 08:49:47 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 06, 2013, 10:12:50 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 06, 2013, 09:59:04 PM
Ah, no. Sounds gross
It's probably the most innocuous and least offensive food imaginable.
It's tasteless but some peopel might dislike the texture.
In miso soup sure. In general though, it can have a lot of different textures and tastes.
Quote from: Ideologue on April 06, 2013, 10:54:57 PM
Chicken broth. Forbidden. :(
You can't have
chicken broth? What kind of fucked up diet is this?
Quote from: fahdiz on April 08, 2013, 10:36:55 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on April 06, 2013, 10:54:57 PM
Chicken broth. Forbidden. :(
You can't have chicken broth? What kind of fucked up diet is this?
Asking Ide about his diet - prepare for upsetting surprises. :lol:
Isn't Ide vegan?
Quote from: Caliga on April 08, 2013, 12:10:45 PM
Isn't Ide vegan?
No, I think we've established that he's Jewish.