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Title: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: CountDeMoney on December 30, 2009, 05:39:11 AM
Too. Fucking. Funny.

QuoteFlags down over Block award to Eagles' Vick
Animal advocates outraged over teammates' choice


For years Darlene Sanders Harris donated money to the Ed Block Courage Awards Foundation and looked forward to the annual ceremony in Baltimore where she could mingle with the NFL players who won the prestigious honor and hear their inspiring stories.

But as the Ed Block organization formally announces its winners today, the Glen Burnie animal advocate, along with at least a thousand others, will be protesting, appalled that the Philadelphia Eagles' Michael Vick, just released from prison for his role in a brutal dog-fighting operation, was chosen to be on the winners list.

Vick's Eagles teammates voted for him to get the award, named after a longtime Baltimore Colts trainer who also worked as a physical therapist at a hospital for disabled children. The Baltimore-based foundation seeks to honor players who are "role models" and "exemplify commitments to the principles of sportsmanship and courage."

"Even if I wasn't an animal advocate, this would very much offend me - if I was a fellow recipient, this would offend me," Harris said Monday. "It's a slap in the face to Ed Block. Michael Vick is not courage material."

At a news conference last week, the Eagles showed their support for Vick. Coach Andy Reid said he wasn't worried about how others might judge the award.

"Everybody is going to have their opinion on it, I'm sure," Reid said. "Until you've been with him for the hours that his teammates have been with him and seen him through all these different things that he's had to go through, that time-tested part of it, you can't appreciate it."

Eagles spokesman Derek Boyko said neither Vick nor anyone from the team was available for comment on Monday. Vick, who's been working with the Humane Society of the United States since his release in May from jail, speaking to young people about dogfighting, has said he's prevailed over much adversity lately.

At last week's news conference, Vick said, "I've overcome a lot, more than probably one single individual can handle or bear. You ask certain people to walk through my shoes, they probably couldn't do. Probably 95 percent of the people in this world because nobody had to endure what I've been through, situations I've been put in, situations I put myself in and decisions I have made, whether they have been good or bad."

However, Harris and others are making sure their disapproval is heard. She started an action group on Facebook, urging people to help her stop Vick's award. On Monday, the group topped 300 members.

A similar online petition at Change.org has attracted nearly 700 supporters.

Others are firing off letters to the charity, and People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals issued a statement criticizing the Eagles' choice of Vick.

"Michael Vick should not be someone anyone points to as a model of sportsmanship, even though he has now exchanged dogs for touchdowns after serving time for extreme cruelty to numerous animals," said PETA.

Anna Vitale Lybrook, treasurer of the Ed Block Award Foundation board, said board members called a meeting to discuss the situation Monday night. "We're as surprised as anyone else," she said. "We're kind of taken aback by it."

The organization has never before questioned any team's award selection, Lybrook said, adding that the group wants to definitively distance itself from what was the Eagles' own choice.

"We are innocent in all of this," she said.

Paul Mittermeier, the Ed Block organization's spokesman, acknowledged getting "a few" e-mails from protesters.

He also pointed out that an ESPN poll found that 51 percent of people "were OK with him getting the award."

"It's definitely something that's been debated over the last couple of days," Mittermeier said.

The Foundation's CEO, Sam Lamantia, to whom many of the protest letters are addressed, did not return calls Monday. Board members could not be reached late Monday.

Other players who have won the Block award include Joe Montana, Tiki Barber, Peyton Manning, Jerry Rice and Dan Marino.

This year the Baltimore Ravens selected safety Dawan Landry, who after suffering a serious neck injury and missing the last 14 games of the 2008 season, returned this year to regain his starting job.

The winners will be honored in March at a gala at Baltimore's Martin's West reception hall.

Earlier this year when the Humane Society asked Baltimore Mayor Sheila Dixon if it could bring Vick to town to speak at a school, Baltimore's new Anti-Animal Cruelty Task Force unanimously vetoed the idea. Task Force Chairwoman Caroline Griffin said Monday she planned to draft a letter to the Ed Block Foundation "expressing our grave disappointment and concerns."

Meanwhile board member Aileen Gabbey, executive director of the Maryland SPCA, said her organization is "shocked and appalled" Vick would be awarded for anything.

"I fail to see how he has done anything courageous. He did time. He's lucky to be employed. I don't see anything courageous about that," she said. "I'm particularly concerned about the message this award sends to kids: that a man who was convicted of severe cruelty gains not only a lucrative job but is specially honored, as well."
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on December 30, 2009, 07:02:42 AM
He's braved coming out into the world where animal-loving psychos will try and assassinate him.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: CountDeMoney on December 30, 2009, 08:44:31 AM
It's about time Haloti Ngata made it to the Pro Bowl.  And good for Ray Rice, he's earned it.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: CountDeMoney on December 30, 2009, 08:47:36 AM
Quote from: Neil on December 30, 2009, 07:02:42 AM
He's braved coming out into the world where animal-loving psychos will try and assassinate him.

QuoteThe award, named after a longtime Baltimore Colts trainer and humanitarian, seeks to honor players who "exemplify commitments to the principles of sportsmanship and courage."

Doesn't sound like he qualifies.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on December 30, 2009, 09:05:31 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 30, 2009, 08:47:36 AM
Quote from: Neil on December 30, 2009, 07:02:42 AM
He's braved coming out into the world where animal-loving psychos will try and assassinate him.
QuoteThe award, named after a longtime Baltimore Colts trainer and humanitarian, seeks to honor players who "exemplify commitments to the principles of sportsmanship and courage."

Doesn't sound like he qualifies.
Every one of those dogs had a fighting chance.  If that's not sportsmanship, I don't know what is.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on December 30, 2009, 09:21:28 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 30, 2009, 08:44:31 AM
It's about time Haloti Ngata made it to the Pro Bowl.  And good for Ray Rice, he's earned it.
Yeah.  Ngata is a monster, if a little undisciplined.  That said, it's common for players from Oregon to be undisciplined, and it'll probably wash off after another year or two in the pros.

As for Rice, that's a no-brainer.  Some people are whining about how Thomas Jones got jobbed, but given that Rice has 600 yards more than he does, I'd say it's pretty fair.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Vince on December 30, 2009, 09:34:46 AM
Quote from: Neil on December 30, 2009, 09:21:28 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 30, 2009, 08:44:31 AM
It's about time Haloti Ngata made it to the Pro Bowl.  And good for Ray Rice, he's earned it.
Yeah.  Ngata is a monster, if a little undisciplined.  That said, it's common for players from Oregon to be undisciplined, and it'll probably wash off after another year or two in the pros.

As for Rice, that's a no-brainer.  Some people are whining about how Thomas Jones got jobbed, but given that Rice has 600 yards more than he does, I'd say it's pretty fair.

Screw TJ.  The only Jet I'd be pissed about not making it would've been Revis but he's in.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on December 30, 2009, 09:36:49 AM
Yeah.  When you make every marquee receiver in the NFL your bitch, you should go to the Pro Bowl.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: katmai on December 30, 2009, 11:53:13 AM
Quote from: Neil on December 30, 2009, 09:21:28 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 30, 2009, 08:44:31 AM
It's about time Haloti Ngata made it to the Pro Bowl.  And good for Ray Rice, he's earned it.
Yeah.  Ngata is a monster, if a little undisciplined.  That said, it's common for players from Oregon to be undisciplined, and it'll probably wash off after another year or two in the pros.


I have it on good authority that Oregon players are nutthin but thugs!
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: sbr on December 30, 2009, 12:01:29 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 30, 2009, 08:44:31 AM
It's about time Haloti Ngata made it to the Pro Bowl.  And good for Ray Rice, he's earned it.

True on both, not so sure about Reed though.  I can't think of anyone off the top of my head who is healthy, but Reed didn't do that much this year.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on December 30, 2009, 12:14:11 PM
Quote from: sbr on December 30, 2009, 12:01:29 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 30, 2009, 08:44:31 AM
It's about time Haloti Ngata made it to the Pro Bowl.  And good for Ray Rice, he's earned it.

True on both, not so sure about Reed though.  I can't think of anyone off the top of my head who is healthy, but Reed didn't do that much this year.
Yeah, but Reed and Polamalu are to the safety position as Manning and Brady are to the QB, at least when it comes to the Pro Bowl.  Brady could turn into Jay Cutler and he'd still go to the Pro Bowl.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 06:20:22 AM
Today's playoff picture:
AFC: Win and In: Ravens, Jets.
NFC: A bit more complex.

Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on January 03, 2010, 01:17:33 PM
The Texans are doing it right.  Welker is hurt, can Brady be far behind?
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on January 03, 2010, 01:32:20 PM
And it was Pollard who hurt Welker, to boot.  That guy should go to the Hall of Fame as a contributor, for taking revenge on cheaters.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 02:07:08 PM
So let's see...  I need the Vikings to beat the Giants, then the Cowgirls to beat the Eagles.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on January 03, 2010, 02:22:23 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 02:07:08 PM
So let's see...  I need the Vikings to beat the Giants, then the Cowgirls to beat the Eagles.
Why?  Don't you want to watch the Vikings next week?
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Ed Anger on January 03, 2010, 02:23:25 PM
I was in the can when Welker went down. My wife froze the DV-R so I could watch it. Repeatedly. :wub:

Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 02:24:05 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 03, 2010, 02:22:23 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 02:07:08 PM
So let's see...  I need the Vikings to beat the Giants, then the Cowgirls to beat the Eagles.
Why?  Don't you want to watch the Vikings next week?

Nope. :)
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 02:24:42 PM
The first part of the equation seems to be working.  Vikings up 31-nothing at the half.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Ed Anger on January 03, 2010, 02:24:50 PM
Also, the Indy-Buffalo game is an excellent snow game.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on January 03, 2010, 02:25:57 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 02:24:05 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 03, 2010, 02:22:23 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 02:07:08 PM
So let's see...  I need the Vikings to beat the Giants, then the Cowgirls to beat the Eagles.
Why?  Don't you want to watch the Vikings next week?
Nope. :)
Why not?  I would think you'd want to wring as much enjoyment out of them as you can?
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 02:29:53 PM
:bleeding: Kris Brown should be cut at halftime.  Holy shit that guy is bad this year.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on January 03, 2010, 02:33:59 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 02:29:53 PM
:bleeding: Kris Brown should be cut at halftime.  Holy shit that guy is bad this year.
He hasn't missed a makeable kick today.  What brings that on?
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 02:38:10 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 03, 2010, 02:33:59 PM
He hasn't missed a makable kick today.  What brings that on?

He missed the shit out of a PAT today right after that defensive TD.  The ball....went...sideways.  The guy is at less than 70% this year, and has missed several very important kicks.   Shanking the hell out of a PAT occasionally wouldn't be too bad (mistakes happen and all that) if it wasn't something that's been going on all year.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 02:46:15 PM
Haha fuck you Tom Brady you pussy.  Cry more about the big man pushing you.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Ed Anger on January 03, 2010, 02:49:10 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 02:46:15 PM
Haha fuck you Tom Brady you pussy.  Cry more about the big man pushing you.

Saint Tom supposedly has 3 broken ribs. I assumed he got that when he got pounded in the ass by his supermodel wife.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on January 03, 2010, 02:49:28 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 02:46:15 PM
Haha fuck you Tom Brady you pussy.  Cry more about the big man pushing you.
You know, every time he points at the official and whines for a flag, it drives me crazy.  Somebody needs to throw an unsportsmanlike flag on that shit.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 02:55:42 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 03, 2010, 02:49:10 PM
Saint Tom supposedly has 3 broken ribs. I assumed he got that when he got pounded in the ass by his supermodel wife.

:lol:

QuoteYou know, every time he points at the official and whines for a flag, it drives me crazy.  Somebody needs to throw an unsportsmanlike flag on that shit.

Given who it was, I'm surprised the whining didn't get a flag thrown on Barwin.  Then another one when Barwin had the balls to get yelled at by Brady.

Oh nice catch there Jacoby Jones.  That guy's strange.  Makes a good play recovering that weird fumble by Moats, has a couple of good catches, then turns around and lets a pass bounce off his hands.  Still very young though, of course.  He seems to have cut down on the punt return muffs this year at least.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Vince on January 03, 2010, 03:01:45 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 03, 2010, 01:17:33 PM
Welker is hurt, can Brady be far behind?

...and that's why you don't play your starters with nothing on the line.

You watching Goodell?
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on January 03, 2010, 03:10:17 PM
Quote from: Vince on January 03, 2010, 03:01:45 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 03, 2010, 01:17:33 PM
Welker is hurt, can Brady be far behind?

...and that's why you don't play your starters with nothing on the line.

You watching Goodell?
There was nothing on the line for the Patriots.  That isn't the controversy.

Oh, and I see now about Kris Brown.  Yeah, he's gone.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: katmai on January 03, 2010, 03:10:32 PM
Miami can't keep a QB healthy
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: sbr on January 03, 2010, 03:12:32 PM
He got blowed up. :o
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Vince on January 03, 2010, 03:15:19 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 03, 2010, 03:10:17 PM
Quote from: Vince on January 03, 2010, 03:01:45 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 03, 2010, 01:17:33 PM
Welker is hurt, can Brady be far behind?

...and that's why you don't play your starters with nothing on the line.

You watching Goodell?
There was nothing on the line for the Patriots.  That isn't the controversy.

Oh, and I see now about Kris Brown.  Yeah, he's gone.


It's just annoying when I see things like this. 
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/03/goodell-on-jets-colts-we-heard-the-fans-loud-and-clear/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/03/goodell-on-jets-colts-we-heard-the-fans-loud-and-clear/)
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 03:18:25 PM
It appears the Texans have stopped giving a shit.  No "life" in the defense.

Edit: Hey a TD. 
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on January 03, 2010, 03:23:42 PM
Quote from: Vince on January 03, 2010, 03:15:19 PM
It's just annoying when I see things like this. 
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/03/goodell-on-jets-colts-we-heard-the-fans-loud-and-clear/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/03/goodell-on-jets-colts-we-heard-the-fans-loud-and-clear/)
Well, it is annoying when a shit team like the Jets can make the playoffs by being lucky enough to play two clinched teams at the end of the year.  :P

Still, nothing will come of this.  How could it?  They've tried this before, and you just can't come up with an enforceable rule.  What are they going to do, say that if a player makes a certain amount of money, you have to play him for at least three quarters?
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on January 03, 2010, 03:24:46 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 03:18:25 PM
It appears the Texans have stopped giving a shit.  No "life" in the defense.

Edit: Hey a TD.
The offence gave up first.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 03:32:06 PM
Matt Schaub: hero.

QuoteThe offence gave up first.

Those misses by Brown seem to have sucked the life out of everyone.   :lol:  I like the crowd cheering loudly when he puts the PAT through.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on January 03, 2010, 03:33:08 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 03:32:06 PM
Matt Schaub: hero.

QuoteThe offence gave up first.

Those misses by Brown seem to have sucked the life out of everyone.   :lol:  I like the crowd cheering loudly when he puts the PAT through.
Yeah.  Special teams can really set the tone.

Still he's not as bad as Hauschka.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Sophie Scholl on January 03, 2010, 03:34:21 PM
Brownies! :wub:  Man, I hope this convinces Holmgren to keep Mangini.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Liep on January 03, 2010, 03:42:19 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 03, 2010, 02:24:50 PM
Also, the Indy-Buffalo game is an excellent snow game.  :)

I'm rooting for some decent snow games in the playoff too. Go northern teams!
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 03:44:51 PM
Wow we may have spoken too soon Neil.  Brown is even making the PATs.

Edit:  Brady's best friend with the pick.  :menace:
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Vince on January 03, 2010, 03:45:12 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 03, 2010, 03:23:42 PM
Well, it is annoying when a shit team like the Jets can make the playoffs by being lucky enough to play two clinched teams at the end of the year.  :P

And if it happens they'd be seeded ahead of the Ravens no less.  :P

But the pessimist in me keeps thinking back to 2000 when all the Jets had to do was beat the Ravens to make the playoffs in the last week and Jermaine Lewis raped them. 

Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Sophie Scholl on January 03, 2010, 03:45:22 PM
Quote from: Liep on January 03, 2010, 03:42:19 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 03, 2010, 02:24:50 PM
Also, the Indy-Buffalo game is an excellent snow game.  :)

I'm rooting for some decent snow games in the playoff too. Go northern teams who aren't bitches and play in domes!
Fixed. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: katmai on January 03, 2010, 03:48:20 PM
Miami is back up to 24-27, so might kill Steelers hopes yet.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on January 03, 2010, 03:49:06 PM
Pollard does it to Brady again.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 03:56:11 PM
Oh God their secret weapon Hoyer is in.  The Texans have a tendency to make backup QBs look like hall of famers.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on January 03, 2010, 04:03:05 PM
Patriots lose!

That's awesome.  The Patriots starters couldn't get it done.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 04:04:28 PM
Texans win Texans win

They also potentially fuck the Steelers with the W too.  Makes things much harder for them to make the playoffs at least, so that's just another bonus.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on January 03, 2010, 04:06:38 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 03:56:11 PM
Oh God their secret weapon Hoyer is in.  The Texans have a tendency to make backup QBs look like hall of famers.
It's different with the Patriots.  They're a total system team.  Their skill players aren't particularily talented, but their line is great.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on January 03, 2010, 04:07:49 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 04:04:28 PM
Texans win Texans win

They also potentially fuck the Steelers with the W too.  Makes things much harder for them to make the playoffs at least, so that's just another bonus.
Yeah.  The only way the Steeltards can make the playoffs is if the Broncos, Ravens and Jets all lose.  And that won't happen.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 04:12:34 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 03, 2010, 04:07:49 PM
Yeah.  The only way the Steeltards can make the playoffs is if the Broncos, Ravens and Jets all lose.  And that won't happen.

Hm.  That would also get Houston in.  Well two of those losing.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on January 03, 2010, 04:13:37 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 04:12:34 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 03, 2010, 04:07:49 PM
Yeah.  The only way the Steeltards can make the playoffs is if the Broncos, Ravens and Jets all lose.  And that won't happen.

Hm.  That would also get Houston in.  Well two of those losing.
It wouldn't break my heart if the Jets and Broncos lost.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Liep on January 03, 2010, 04:14:10 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 04:04:28 PM
Texans win Texans win

They also potentially fuck the Steelers with the W too.  Makes things much harder for them to make the playoffs at least, so that's just another bonus.

:hug:
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 04:16:24 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 03, 2010, 04:13:37 PM
It wouldn't break my heart if the Jets and Broncos lost.

I think if that happens, Houston would end up playing the Patriots again in the first round.  I'll have to go fiddle around with that Yahoo playoff thing. 

Whatever...I was planning on cheering for a Ravens - Packers Super Bowl anyway.  Of course if the Texans somehow make it......

Edit:  Oh wait it looks like they'd play Cincy in the first round.   If all three lose, Houston is the 5 seed vs. NE, Pittsburgh is the 6 vs. Cincy.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: katmai on January 03, 2010, 04:22:39 PM
Chiefs score 1st vs Broncos up 7-0 now.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 04:50:24 PM
Holy shit look at Charlie Frye.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 05:06:25 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 04:50:24 PM
Holy shit look at Charlie Frye.

Big deal.

And, it's totally hilarious catching up on a football thread with you over the course of a Texans game.  You have more ups and downs than Siegebreaker with a key to a pharmacy.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 05:14:56 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 05:06:25 PM
Big deal.

It is for Charlie.  Getting smashed by every DL the Ravens have on that last play there was also a pretty big deal for Charlie.

QuoteAnd, it's totally hilarious catching up on a football thread with you over the course of a Texans game.  You have more ups and downs than Siegebreaker with a key to a pharmacy.

Well yeah. The Texans will do that to you.

QuoteIt's different with the Patriots.  They're a total system team.  Their skill players aren't particularily talented, but their line is great.

Makes sense with what happened with Cassell.  Hoyer was irritatingly mobile compared to Brady though.

Ahahaha McGahee with the monster stiff arm and TD.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 05:19:58 PM
Willis McGahee with the Git That Punk Ass Shit Outta Here Stiff Arm of the Year.  Fucking beautiful.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on January 03, 2010, 05:20:28 PM
McGahee is awesome.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: katmai on January 03, 2010, 05:21:11 PM
I keep reading thread title as last week of Ravens season :lol:
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Liep on January 03, 2010, 05:22:30 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 05:19:58 PM
Willis McGahee with the Git That Punk Ass Shit Outta Here Stiff Arm of the Year.  Fucking beautiful.

That was just beautiful.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on January 03, 2010, 05:25:14 PM
And then the refs strike again.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Sophie Scholl on January 03, 2010, 05:45:16 PM
Bad call, but I'll take it!  Truly, the Ravens are making a push to be the new Raiders in terms of penalties, deserved and otherwise.  I pity you Seedy and Neil. :console:
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Alcibiades on January 03, 2010, 05:59:22 PM
Missed McGahee's stiff arm, but speaking of which did you guys see Adrian Peterson's on Charles Tillman last Monday? Best stiff arm I've ever seen. 

The second one, including a slow-mo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB6A65gTFqo

:ph34r:
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Alcibiades on January 03, 2010, 05:59:48 PM
Russel's in, RAVENS WIN!   :lol:
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Sophie Scholl on January 03, 2010, 06:00:44 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 03, 2010, 05:59:48 PM
Russel's in, RAVENS WIN!   :lol:
Ugh.  Good game Ravens. :bleeding:
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 06:05:02 PM
And the Cowgirls are up 17 on the Iggles. :shifty:
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 06:06:26 PM
Alci: 

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi49.tinypic.com%2F2v8qp7b.gif&hash=6da4d82593eb75af71a22cc7dbb933bae9c83ec6)
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Liep on January 03, 2010, 06:08:22 PM
Mesmerising.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Ed Anger on January 03, 2010, 06:10:29 PM
A good site for sports animated .gifs:

http://30fps.mocksession.com/

Enjoy!

http://www.mocksession.com/30fps/%20/WESNEEDSAWALKER.gif
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: katmai on January 03, 2010, 06:14:44 PM
Pfft google Garrison Hearst Stiff arm for classic one vs the Jets.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: katmai on January 03, 2010, 06:21:40 PM
Chiefs return Int for Td now up 27-17 in 3rd
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 06:23:44 PM
Cowgirls up 24-nothing.

Two boring games, but exciting results. :shifty:
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: katmai on January 03, 2010, 06:24:16 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 06:23:44 PM
Cowgirls up 24-nothing.

Two boring games, but exciting results. :shifty:

Are Eagles resting everybody or what?
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: sbr on January 03, 2010, 06:25:33 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 06:24:16 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 06:23:44 PM
Cowgirls up 24-nothing.

Two boring games, but exciting results. :shifty:

Are Eagles resting everybody or what?

No just playing poorly.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 06:26:41 PM
OK, this is very disconcerting.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on January 03, 2010, 06:27:22 PM
Flacco really needs to stop taking so many sacks.  Roethlisberger-esque.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Vince on January 03, 2010, 06:31:05 PM
I think Jamarcus could be a bigger bust than Ryan Leaf.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: sbr on January 03, 2010, 06:33:24 PM
Quote from: Vince on January 03, 2010, 06:31:05 PM
I think Jamarcus could be a bigger bust than Ryan Leaf.

But no one expected Russel to be that good, except the Raiders.  There was serious debate between Leaf and Peyton Manning when they were being drafted.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 06:38:12 PM
Shame McGahee won't be on the team next season.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 06:40:04 PM
Quote from: sbr on January 03, 2010, 06:33:24 PM
Quote from: Vince on January 03, 2010, 06:31:05 PM
I think Jamarcus could be a bigger bust than Ryan Leaf.

But no one expected Russel to be that good, except the Raiders.  There was serious debate between Leaf and Peyton Manning when they were being drafted.

Yup, Leaf-Manning was the biggest draft debate since Bledsoe-Mirer.  Which is why I'm not a GM.  :P

JaMarcus Russel = Rohan Davies.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: katmai on January 03, 2010, 07:07:10 PM
KC Running back has gained 259 yards and KC is up  44-24 now.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 07:09:08 PM
^^  :mad: ^^

The Chiefs are slaughtering the Broncos with 6 minutes left in the 4th.   Jamaal Charles has 259 yards so far, Derek Johnson has two INTs for TDs.

It appears I will be a Bengals fan tonight.

Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Liep on January 03, 2010, 07:09:31 PM
I think I'm more excited about getting the Steelers out than having the Ravens in.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: katmai on January 03, 2010, 07:12:12 PM
So if i read it correctly Ravens visit Pats next week.

If Bengals win then they face Texans, if jets win they will play bengals for 2nd straight week.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Sophie Scholl on January 03, 2010, 07:15:51 PM
Good job Raiders.  Ugh.  Also, nicely done benching your top two receiving threats Josh McDaniels.  It seems to be working out well for you.  If I were a Ravens fan, I wouldn't find this win encouraging.  They owe one giant McGahee run and Jamarcus turning the ball over twice for the win.  Their inability to sustain long drives and put points on the board is rather troubling.  At least the Steelers are eliminated now though!
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 07:16:21 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 07:12:12 PM
So if i read it correctly Ravens visit Pats next week.

If Bengals win then they face Texans, if jets win they will play bengals for 2nd straight week.

All I know is the NFC universe unfolded as I wanted it to.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Liep on January 03, 2010, 07:16:52 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 07:12:12 PM
So if i read it correctly Ravens visit Pats next week.

If Bengals win then they face Texans, if jets win they will play bengals for 2nd straight week.

Yes. Just like Eagles/Cowboys and Cardinals/Packers will be a re-run.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: katmai on January 03, 2010, 07:17:02 PM
NFC won't be right till Favre is crying in defeat.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on January 03, 2010, 07:17:09 PM
The Ravens are in the playoffs, and have a good chance to beat a very shaky Patriot team.  But they'll need to protect Flacco.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 07:18:53 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 07:17:02 PM
NFC won't be right till Favre is crying in defeat.

:console:

I have trouble seeing that happen until the NFC title game.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Alcibiades on January 03, 2010, 07:41:34 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 03, 2010, 06:10:29 PM
A good site for sports animated .gifs:

http://30fps.mocksession.com/

Enjoy!

http://www.mocksession.com/30fps/%20/WESNEEDSAWALKER.gif

Thanks MM,


And I've been looking for a site like this, too bad there isnt much on there.  I've been looking so hard for a gif of tom brady after he threw that interception to lose the game about 5 weeks ago.  The one where he was laying on the ground, see it and slams his head into the turf?  Profile pick for the next decade?  You bet.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on January 03, 2010, 08:00:13 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 07:18:53 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 07:17:02 PM
NFC won't be right till Favre is crying in defeat.

:console:

I have trouble seeing that happen until the NFC title game.
Hard to say.  I don't think that there's any team in the NFC playoffs that is incapable of beating the Vikings.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 08:08:26 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 03, 2010, 08:00:13 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 07:18:53 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 07:17:02 PM
NFC won't be right till Favre is crying in defeat.

:console:

I have trouble seeing that happen until the NFC title game.
Hard to say.  I don't think that there's any team in the NFC playoffs that is incapable of beating the Vikings.

It's the NFL.  Nothing is impossible.  So yes, 'incapable'?  No on eI can think of.  However 'unlikely'?  That sounds about right (except for the Saints).
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 08:09:11 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 07:12:12 PM
So if i read it correctly Ravens visit Pats next week.

Naturally, I'm sure it'll be on a Saturday, after a west coast road trip, for a nice short week to prepare.

Nope, no league bias there, folks.  It's all in your imagination.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 08:10:52 PM
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on January 03, 2010, 07:15:51 PM
Good job Raiders.  Ugh.  Also, nicely done benching your top two receiving threats Josh McDaniels.  It seems to be working out well for you.  If I were a Ravens fan, I wouldn't find this win encouraging.  They owe one giant McGahee run and Jamarcus turning the ball over twice for the win.  Their inability to sustain long drives and put points on the board is rather troubling.  At least the Steelers are eliminated now though!

Meh, factor in two missed field goals and a passing attack that only did what it needed to do, and it was fine.  I expected the Raiders to fight in the trenches.
The inability to protect Flacco consistently--and his inability to GET RID OF THE FUCKING FOOTBALL--is a bit troubling, though.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 08:11:42 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 08:09:11 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 07:12:12 PM
So if i read it correctly Ravens visit Pats next week.

Naturally, I'm sure it'll be on a Saturday, after a west coast road trip, for a nice short week to prepare.

Nope, no league bias there, folks.  It's all in your imagination.

:rolleyes:
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 08:14:01 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 08:11:42 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 08:09:11 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 07:12:12 PM
So if i read it correctly Ravens visit Pats next week.

Naturally, I'm sure it'll be on a Saturday, after a west coast road trip, for a nice short week to prepare.

Nope, no league bias there, folks.  It's all in your imagination.

:rolleyes:

With Welker out and Brady hurting, the New England Marketers will need all the help they can get for their NFLShop.com orders.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 08:17:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24MZcKtps1w

I rest my case.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 08:18:37 PM
But wait, there's more!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFyP03nlWkw

Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 08:27:23 PM
Hmmm, Jets or Texans in the playoffs...sorry, MBM, but the Texans are just plain too dangerous.
Then again, they're exactly the kind of team that could upset the Cincinnati Ochocincos next week.

I leave it in Fate's hands.  Because if it were in NFLShop.com's hands, you know it'd go to the Jets.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 08:35:39 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 08:27:23 PM
Hmmm, Jets or Texans in the playoffs...sorry, MBM, but the Texans are just plain too dangerous.
Then again, they're exactly the kind of team that could upset the Cincinnati Ochocincos next week.

I leave it in Fate's hands.  Because if it were in NFLShop.com's hands, you know it'd go to the Jets.

It'd be interesting to see how the Texans react in their first playoffs ever, especially against a team they've already beaten.  They'd have to play the Colts in the second round if they won though, and they don't have a good history vs. the Colts.  Sure, the games have been close recently, but they've still only won one.   :Embarrass:

Ugh touchdown Jets. 
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 08:42:06 PM
In other news, it's a shame such a massive defensive talent like Suh will go to waste in St. Louis.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: sbr on January 03, 2010, 08:42:28 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 07:17:02 PM
NFC won't be right till Favre is crying in defeat.

That is my favorite moment of every NFL season.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on January 03, 2010, 08:42:50 PM
Yeah, but the Colts have rested their starters, and so given away any chance of winning a Superbowl.  They'll be lucky if they win a game.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on January 03, 2010, 08:44:05 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 08:42:06 PM
In other news, it's a shame such a massive defensive talent like Suh will go to waste in St. Louis.
Hey now.  He only has to work there for the length of his first contract.  He'll end up somewhere decent in a while.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 08:45:54 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 03, 2010, 08:42:50 PM
Yeah, but the Colts have rested their starters, and so given away any chance of winning a Superbowl.  They'll be lucky if they win a game.

I think the Colts have the potential to turn the switch back on.  As opposed to the Saints, who decided to start their usual playoff Choke-A-Matic(tm) machine 3 weeks early.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: sbr on January 03, 2010, 08:46:44 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 08:09:11 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 07:12:12 PM
So if i read it correctly Ravens visit Pats next week.

Naturally, I'm sure it'll be on a Saturday, after a west coast road trip, for a nice short week to prepare.

Nope, no league bias there, folks.  It's all in your imagination.

This is great.  :lmfao:

You may end up being right about the playing on Saturday, but to be whining and calling the league out about the schedule you made up in your own head is priceless.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: sbr on January 03, 2010, 08:47:59 PM
And in the no one cares but me category, I dominated the dojo in winning the EUOT fantasy football league this year.  :showoff:
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 08:48:52 PM
Quote from: sbr on January 03, 2010, 08:46:44 PM
You may end up being right about the playing on Saturday, but to be whining and calling the league out about the schedule you made up in your own head is priceless.

Laff all you want.  But you know it in your heart to be true, though.  Visa's paid for a shitload of commercials, and they have to run as much as possible in January.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: ulmont on January 03, 2010, 08:55:55 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 08:45:54 PM
the Saints, who decided to start their usual playoff Choke-A-Matic(tm) machine 3 weeks early.

It's true...but they gave everybody a day off today.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 08:57:22 PM
Quote from: sbr on January 03, 2010, 08:47:59 PM
And in the no one cares but me category, I dominated the dojo in winning the EUOT fantasy football league this year.  :showoff:

:rolleyes:

Everyone knows that the Languish Fantasy Football League (LFFL) is where it's at.   :showoff:
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 09:27:12 PM
Might as well give Cincy a box, because they've already bought the stamps to mail this one in tonight.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 09:32:53 PM
I don't think I've ever seen a series with that many just blatantly dropped passes.   :lol:
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: derspiess on January 03, 2010, 10:02:11 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 09:27:12 PM
Might as well give Cincy a box, because they've already bought the stamps to mail this one in tonight.

The sad thing is it's been poor play more than anything else.  At least keep it competitive for the half, and force the other team to show you some stuff they'll be using next week.  Now the Jets can coast, playing vanilla offense & defensive schemes.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Vince on January 03, 2010, 10:03:09 PM
Quote from: derspiess on January 03, 2010, 10:02:11 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 09:27:12 PM
Might as well give Cincy a box, because they've already bought the stamps to mail this one in tonight.

The sad thing is it's been poor play more than anything else.  At least keep it competitive for the half, and force the other team to show you some stuff they'll be using next week.  Now the Jets can coast, playing vanilla offense & defensive schemes.

The Jets could be the ones resting their starters in the 2nd half.   :D
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on January 03, 2010, 10:05:24 PM
Quote from: Vince on January 03, 2010, 10:03:09 PM
The Jets could be the ones resting their starters in the 2nd half.   :D
If Sanchez got hurt, would it actually hurt the Jets' chances to win?

I mean, Scott, Leonhard and Reevis are essential, and could be rested.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: sbr on January 03, 2010, 10:08:04 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 08:57:22 PM
Quote from: sbr on January 03, 2010, 08:47:59 PM
And in the no one cares but me category, I dominated the dojo in winning the EUOT fantasy football league this year.  :showoff:

:rolleyes:

Everyone knows that the Languish Fantasy Football League (LFFL) is where it's at.   :showoff:

If I am able to get into the LFFL next season I will give you all a repeat performance.   :cool:
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Vince on January 03, 2010, 10:10:47 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 03, 2010, 10:05:24 PM
Quote from: Vince on January 03, 2010, 10:03:09 PM
The Jets could be the ones resting their starters in the 2nd half.   :D
If Sanchez got hurt, would it actually hurt the Jets' chances to win?

I mean, Scott, Leonhard and Reevis are essential, and could be rested.

Sadly yes.  Kellen Clemens has done very badly when he's under center this season.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: sbr on January 03, 2010, 10:36:25 PM
Ravens Patriots is the early game on Sunday.

I can't believe the league would do that, they are on the take.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 10:39:01 PM
Quote from: sbr on January 03, 2010, 10:36:25 PM
Ravens Patriots is the early game on Sunday.

I can't believe the league would do that, they are on the take.

ABSOLTUTLEY APPALLNING


I hate it when the NFL doesn't cooperate with my conspiracy facts.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 04, 2010, 06:23:25 AM
QuoteMcDonald: Al Davis deserves most of the blame for Raiders' losing ways
By Jerry McDonald
Oakland Tribune
Posted: 01/03/2010 07:19:05 PM PST

As the uncertainty of another failed season circulated throughout the Raiders locker room, there were sincere requests for continuity, for staying the course with Tom Cable, and the belief that better days lie ahead.

Desperately seeking a final validation for the seventh consecutive season of double-digit losses, Cable even talked up the importance of win No. 6 _ a total that would have been sneered at when the topic was division titles and championships when Al Davis removed ``interim'' from his title last off-season.

Instead, there was a 21-13 loss to the Baltimore Ravens. Two second-half turnovers from quarterback JaMarcus Russell after Charlie Frye left at halftime with a back strain. A defense which gave up 240 yards rushing overall and three touchdowns to Willis McGahee.

All before an announced crowd of 38,400 that looked more like 28,400.

So now begins the dissection of the coaching staff and the roster, the analysis of who stays and who goes, with the final decisions resting with the man ultimately responsible for all the problems.

Think about that for a minute.

The inescapable conclusion is that Al Davis is the man most responsible for the franchise being in such disrepair.

He's the only common denominator not only for the last seven years, but since a return to Oakland that has been a failed experiment judging from a history of three winning seasons in 15 years.

The Raiders have lost 33 more games in their second go-round in Oakland than they did the first time, yet still adorn their press releases with ``Team of the Decades'' and ``Commitment to Excellence.''

By order of Al Davis.

The Raiders have fired six coaches (Mike White, Joe Bugel, Bill Callahan, Norv Turner, Art Shell and Lane Kiffin), traded another (Jon Gruden) and could send Cable packing this week.

All since 1995.

By order of Al Davis.

The Raiders have too frequently failed to draft and develop their own top prospects into elite players. Russell, Darren McFadden and Darrius Heyward-Bey are all young enough to turn it around, but their early returns have been discouraging.

In the case of Russell, who Davis promised would be great, it's well beyond discouraging.

The Raiders don't have a director of college scouting in their media guide, but it's a role that belongs to Davis.

Too many times, the Raiders have made disastrous forays into free agency and the trade market, with acquisitions such as Randy Moss, DeAngelo Hall, Gibril Wilson and Javon Walker doing more harm than good, either because of the toxic environment or simply misjudging talent.

The Raiders don't have a director of pro personnel in their media guide, but it's a role that belongs to Davis.

As one of his former coaches lamented, ``He's the director of pro personnel, he's the director of college personnel, he's the general manager and he's the de-facto defensive coordinator.''

He's also not in good health and even Davis' ever-shrinking inner circle understands the man they have long worshipped either needs to accept some help or designate some to assume his myriad roles.

Some of the men closest to Davis made their way to a party thrown by Gruden last Dec. 14, and the Raiders response was to request that Ricky's Sports Lounge and Grill remove all photos from its Web site which had included people currently employed by the Raiders.

Thus, the message is that it's fine to reminisce and get caught up in the 1970s, but not the three-year run which Gruden helped ignite from 2000 through 2002.

For someone who has an aura so big, Davis can come off as very small.

John Madden didn't make it to the party that night, but he seemed to be of a like mind with most of the attendees based on a question and answer feature on Dec. 27 with the New York Post.

Question: Do you think Al Davis should hire a football czar?

Madden: ``I think he knows he should. When he had Bruce Allen and Jon Gruden, that was a pretty good team.''

It keeps coming back to Gruden and Allen because they're the only two people who, in conjunction with Davis, had the Raiders even remotely close to their storied past.

Allen is general manager of the Washington Redskins, Gruden is sticking with television for another year. And the biggest crime of all is Davis wouldn't ask, anyway.

The Raiders have the 31st-best record in the NFL over the past seven years at 29-83, one game better than the Detroit Lions. They're the first team in NFL history to have lost 11 or more games for seven consecutive seasons.

You'd think an owner with a passion for winning and an abiding love for all things silver and black would look to the person most responsible and take action. He's never tolerated that kind of performance from anyone else.

But that would take looking in the mirror.

Short of that, the annual blame game begins with Tom Cable.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 04, 2010, 06:27:56 AM
QuoteCook: Steelers' painful season fittingly ended
Monday, January 04, 2010
By Ron Cook, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

MIAMI -- You can argue from now until next season that it's a crying shame the Steelers missed the playoffs despite playing some of their best ball down the stretch and winning their final three games. I look at it differently. I say it would have been an injustice of incredible magnitude if they had snuck in despite that hideous five-game losing streak that started at midseason.

Almost always, you get what you deserve in life.

Clearly, the Steelers don't deserve to play in this postseason because of their losses to three of the NFL's 98-pound weaklings -- the Kansas City Chiefs, Oakland Raiders and Cleveland Browns.

Really, that's obvious, isn't it?

"Ain't no one to blame but the Steelers," safety Ryan Clark said, getting it exactly right.

Disappointment was evident in every corner of the team's locker room yesterday after its 30-24 victory against the Miami Dolphins. The players quickly found out their playoff chances were all but doomed because the Houston Texans scored three fourth-quarter touchdowns to beat the New England Patriots, 34-27. They were officially eliminated when the Baltimore Ravens wrapped up a 21-13 victory against the Raiders last night about the time the Steelers' flight was supposed to land in Pittsburgh.

The anguish was especially clear at wide receiver Hines Ward's locker. His pain had little to do with two hamstrings that ached so badly that he had a hard time pulling on his socks. It had much more to do with the awful reality that the Steelers weren't going to get the opportunity to make it three Super Bowls in five seasons.

"We just couldn't stop the bleeding and it came back to haunt us," Ward said of that five-game losing streak. "It's a shame. We've got a good team. We just didn't play good football in November ...

"I'm glad that we finished the year 3-0. But I'm not a moral-victory guy. Expectations are high around here. I don't know what to say except to apologize to our fans for not getting them to where we are supposed to be. To win the Super Bowl one year and not even get in the next, it's disappointing."

It's embarrassing, actually.

Certainly, injuries were a part of it. If I'm ranking the most indispensable Steelers, I put quarterback Ben Roethlisberger No. 1, safety Troy Polamalu No. 2 and defensive end Aaron Smith No. 3. The team had to play most of the season without Polamalu and Smith. They also lost an important division game at Baltimore Nov. 29 without the concussed Roethlisberger.

But there are no excuses for losing to the Chiefs, Raiders at home and Browns. The Chiefs had gone 4-30 in their previous 34 games before they beat the Steelers Nov. 22. The Raiders had scored 10 touchdowns in 11 games before they scored three in the fourth quarter to stun the Steelers Dec. 6. The Browns had the NFL's worst defense before they kept the Steelers' offense out of the end zone Dec. 10.

That's way beyond disappointing or even embarrassing.

That's why people who blame the Steelers' predicament on the Indianapolis Colts for tanking their game against the New York Jets last week or on the Patriots for blowing a late 27-13 lead yesterday are dead wrong.

When you start the season 14-0, as the Colts did, you earned the right to get ready for the playoffs any way you see fit. If that means sitting quarterback Peyton Manning and doing consequential damage to the Steelers' playoff hopes, so be it.

When you wrap up your division early, as the Patriots did, you don't have to play quarterback Tom Brady on the final drive against the Texans with the game still on the line. If Patriots coach Bill Belichick deserves criticism for anything, it's for keeping Brady in the game as long as he did or even for playing star wide receiver Wes Welker at all. Welker left early with what appeared to be a serious knee injury. I'm sure there are a lot of fans in New England who wish the Patriots had taken the game yesterday a lot less seriously.

Many people in Steelers Nation seem to forget that their favorite team, after wrapping up the division title in 2004, chose to sit Roethlisberger and running back Jerome Bettis in the final regular-season game at Buffalo. Those same people have some nerve for criticizing the Colts for sitting Manning.

"You know how that goes," Steelers tackle Willie Colon said, rolling his eyes. "When your team does it, it's good, smart football getting ready for the playoffs. When another team does it to you, they're cowards.

"No matter what, this all comes back to us. You keep asking yourself, 'How did we get in this position? If we had just won one of those five games ... ' "

If.

What is a shame is that the Steelers just might have been able to do some damage in the playoffs. Their defense, after looking as if it would blow one final fourth-quarter lead yesterday, stiffened at the end with interceptions by Clark and cornerback Ike Taylor. And their offense, which scored 30, 23 and 37 points in games since that fiasco in Cleveland ...

"Our offense is unbelievable right now," Clark said. "That would scare a lot of teams."

Added Colon, "I don't think any team would want to see us in the postseason. Everybody knows that."

Of course, no team has to face the Steelers in these playoffs.

The Steelers didn't qualify.

This painful season, that's just as it should be.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 04, 2010, 06:30:37 AM
Yes, I like posting obituaries.  Especially for teams I hate.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Grey Fox on January 04, 2010, 07:14:17 AM
Dear Baltimore Ravens,

Please don't fuck it up.

Cheers, Tom Brady's ex-lovers.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Vince on January 04, 2010, 07:19:24 AM
The Jets actually won.   :cool:

Now let's see them play like that against Cinci next week.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Grey Fox on January 04, 2010, 07:32:32 AM
Jim Zorn got fired.

QuoteThe Washington Redskins fired coach Jim Zorn upon his arrival at Redskins Park at roughly 2:15 a.m. Monday after the team's trip to San Diego, two Washington television stations report.

The firing was expected for some time, as Zorn was stripped of play-calling duties in October. The team lost its final game of the season 23-20 against the Chargers and finished the season at 4-12. GM Vinny Cerrato resigned in mid-December and was replaced by Bruce Allen.

Zorn is 12-20 in two seasons as the Redskins' coach.

About 2:45 a.m. Redskins security ordered all media to leave the parking lot at the team's facility, with one security guard saying that was so Zorn could leave without being bothered, according to a Washington Post report. Zorn left Redskins Park at 4:45 a.m.

An announcement regarding Zorn's replacement could come as early as Monday. Former Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan has been rumored to be the new hire for weeks.

Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on January 04, 2010, 08:06:59 AM
You know, even if the Colts hadn't greased the skids for the Jets, the Steelers still wouldn't have made the playoffs, as those kids from Houston would have made it in.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Ed Anger on January 04, 2010, 08:17:08 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 09:27:12 PM
Might as well give Cincy a box, because they've already bought the stamps to mail this one in tonight.

I'm glad I didn't even bother to watch the game.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: derspiess on January 04, 2010, 12:06:31 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 04, 2010, 08:17:08 AM
I'm glad I didn't even bother to watch the game.

Wish I had done the same.  My kid learned some new words after I saw Bungles receivers drop 4 passes in a row.

Not to mention each time Palmer threw to a double-covered Chad Johnson when other receivers were wide open.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on January 04, 2010, 01:57:23 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 04, 2010, 06:27:56 AM
The anguish was especially clear at wide receiver Hines Ward's locker.

Best part of the article.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Ed Anger on January 04, 2010, 02:46:54 PM
Quote from: derspiess on January 04, 2010, 12:06:31 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 04, 2010, 08:17:08 AM
I'm glad I didn't even bother to watch the game.

Wish I had done the same.  My kid learned some new words after I saw Bungles receivers drop 4 passes in a row.

Not to mention each time Palmer threw to a double-covered Chad Johnson when other receivers were wide open.

Carson's fixation on Chad annoys me.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 04, 2010, 05:46:55 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 04, 2010, 02:46:54 PM
Quote from: derspiess on January 04, 2010, 12:06:31 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 04, 2010, 08:17:08 AM
I'm glad I didn't even bother to watch the game.

Wish I had done the same.  My kid learned some new words after I saw Bungles receivers drop 4 passes in a row.

Not to mention each time Palmer threw to a double-covered Chad Johnson when other receivers were wide open.

In Carson's defense, Chris Henry was unavailable at game time.

Carson's fixation on Chad annoys me.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: katmai on January 04, 2010, 05:48:07 PM
Never too soon for Seedy.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 04, 2010, 06:00:56 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 04, 2010, 05:48:07 PM
Never too soon for Seedy.

Whaddayesay? Whaddayesay?
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Ed Anger on January 04, 2010, 06:43:37 PM
 :lol:

Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on January 04, 2010, 08:20:03 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 04, 2010, 01:57:23 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 04, 2010, 06:27:56 AM
The anguish was especially clear at wide receiver Hines Ward's locker.
Best part of the article.
Maybe if he spent more time practicing and less time thinking about ways to cheapshot DBs, they might have done better.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: jimmy olsen on January 04, 2010, 09:10:27 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 03, 2010, 02:23:25 PM
I was in the can when Welker went down. My wife froze the DV-R so I could watch it. Repeatedly. :wub:
<_<
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: derspiess on January 04, 2010, 09:21:32 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 04, 2010, 09:10:27 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 03, 2010, 02:23:25 PM
I was in the can when Welker went down. My wife froze the DV-R so I could watch it. Repeatedly. :wub:
<_<

I was disappointed with the injury.  I was expecting a McGahee-type blowout after they gave the disclaimer not to watch if you were squeamish.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: katmai on January 04, 2010, 09:27:07 PM
Quote from: derspiess on January 04, 2010, 09:21:32 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 04, 2010, 09:10:27 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 03, 2010, 02:23:25 PM
I was in the can when Welker went down. My wife froze the DV-R so I could watch it. Repeatedly. :wub:
<_<

I was disappointed with the injury.  I was expecting a McGahee-type blowout after they gave the disclaimer not to watch if you were squeamish.

I can link some video of Texas A&M basketball player doing one heck of Theismann imitation if ya want!
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Alcibiades on January 05, 2010, 02:21:32 AM
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mocksession.com%2F30fps%2F%2520%2FDUMPS.gif&hash=c82c812b00db0d5251d43c9707c6031d2b5c790a)
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Ed Anger on January 05, 2010, 07:39:44 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 04, 2010, 09:10:27 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 03, 2010, 02:23:25 PM
I was in the can when Welker went down. My wife froze the DV-R so I could watch it. Repeatedly. :wub:
<_<

Nobody likes your teams. Deal.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Ed Anger on January 05, 2010, 08:55:49 AM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFINBsXzUk8&feature=player_embedded

QuoteThe Lions defensive line broke through like they were at airport security in Amsterdam

har.

Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Neil on January 05, 2010, 09:06:34 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 05, 2010, 07:39:44 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 04, 2010, 09:10:27 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 03, 2010, 02:23:25 PM
I was in the can when Welker went down. My wife froze the DV-R so I could watch it. Repeatedly. :wub:
<_<
Nobody likes your teams. Deal.
But which team do people hate more?  Is it the Patriots, Notre Dame or the Celtics?
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: derspiess on January 05, 2010, 12:30:59 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 04, 2010, 09:27:07 PM
I can link some video of Texas A&M basketball player doing one heck of Theismann imitation if ya want!

You've already oversold it.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on January 05, 2010, 02:59:37 PM
Cushing is DROY:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4797623

QuoteCushing was a runaway winner in balloting by a nationwide panel of 50 sports writers and broadcasters who cover the league. Cushing received 39 votes Tuesday, easily beating Buffalo safety Jairus Byrd, who had six, and became the second Texans linebacker in four seasons to win the award. DeMeco Ryans took it in 2006.

Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: derspiess on January 05, 2010, 03:19:18 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 05, 2010, 02:59:37 PM
Cushing is DROY:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4797623

QuoteCushing was a runaway winner in balloting by a nationwide panel of 50 sports writers and broadcasters who cover the league. Cushing received 39 votes Tuesday, easily beating Buffalo safety Jairus Byrd, who had six, and became the second Texans linebacker in four seasons to win the award. DeMeco Ryans took it in 2006.



I remember that jerk-- he was responsible for all 3 Bungles turnovers in that game  <_<
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Ed Anger on January 05, 2010, 04:54:40 PM
Awww, Bellicheat is crying over the texans turf causing Welker's injury. What a baby.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Sophie Scholl on January 05, 2010, 06:25:50 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 05, 2010, 04:54:40 PM
Awww, Bellicheat is crying over the texans turf causing Welker's injury. What a baby.
Seriously.  I laughed.  The Patriots are notorious for intentionally fucking up their field to maim and screw over opponents.  The Football Gods are now unleashing their full harvest of vengeance upon the bastards.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 05, 2010, 06:29:12 PM
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on January 05, 2010, 06:25:50 PM
The Football Gods are now unleashing their full harvest of vengeance upon the bastards.

Let's hope there's a little more harvesting to go this weekend.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Ed Anger on January 05, 2010, 06:38:25 PM
If the football gods were just, they would strike the fucker down for ruining the Browns franchise in the late '90's.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 05, 2010, 06:44:30 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 05, 2010, 06:38:25 PM
If the football gods were just, they would strike the fucker down for ruining the Browns franchise in the late '90's.

Actually, he ruined it in the early '90s.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Ed Anger on January 05, 2010, 06:50:57 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 05, 2010, 06:44:30 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 05, 2010, 06:38:25 PM
If the football gods were just, they would strike the fucker down for ruining the Browns franchise in the late '90's.

Actually, he ruined it in the early '90s.

:blush:

My memory is shot. I thought the cockfucker was roaming around up there later in the decade.  :Embarrass:
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: katmai on January 05, 2010, 06:54:00 PM
Late 90's it was Modell stealing the team from cleveland.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: Ed Anger on January 05, 2010, 06:59:18 PM
Don't change the subject Fatmai. Belicheat and his fans are an abomination.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 05, 2010, 09:12:28 PM
I'm not taking that bait.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: katmai on January 05, 2010, 09:15:03 PM
Bah!
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on January 05, 2010, 09:50:49 PM
 :rolleyes:  Belichick is a huge tool, and the grass didn't reach up and kick Welker's ass, but the turf at Reliant does start getting spotty toward the end of the year.  Nothing like what was going on at Foxboro before they put the artificial turf in, or like what goes on at Heinz or anything, but it's a natural surface that has been used for 10 NFL games, at least one college game, and whatever else they do in there.  Trays or not, it gets worn out. 
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on January 05, 2010, 10:09:37 PM
Oh the Skins signed Mike Shanahan, which means Kyle Shanahan is going to be their new OC.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 05, 2010, 10:55:59 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 05, 2010, 10:09:37 PM
Oh the Skins signed Mike Shanahan, which means Kyle Shanahan is going to be their new OC.

I give him 2 seasons.  You heard it here first.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: sbr on January 05, 2010, 11:09:09 PM
Why are there 2 NFL threads?
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: katmai on January 05, 2010, 11:11:19 PM
Quote from: sbr on January 05, 2010, 11:09:09 PM
Why are there 2 NFL threads?

One is for the playoffs, hello!

Silly Oregonians!
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: sbr on January 05, 2010, 11:15:32 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 05, 2010, 11:11:19 PM
Quote from: sbr on January 05, 2010, 11:09:09 PM
Why are there 2 NFL threads?

One is for the playoffs, hello!

Silly Oregonians!

:lol:

Let me rephrase.  Why are people still posting in this thread?

THE SEASON IS OVER.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: katmai on January 05, 2010, 11:17:30 PM
Quote from: sbr on January 05, 2010, 11:15:32 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 05, 2010, 11:11:19 PM
Quote from: sbr on January 05, 2010, 11:09:09 PM
Why are there 2 NFL threads?

One is for the playoffs, hello!

Silly Oregonians!

:lol:

Let me rephrase.  Why are people still posting in this thread?

THE SEASON IS OVER.

How can i put this nicely...Languish is made up of the common people, people of the land, you know...morons.
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: JacobL on January 05, 2010, 11:20:06 PM
QuoteFormer No. 2 overall pick Charles Rogers was arrested Tuesday after police picked him up on an outstanding warrant.
Police wouldn't say what the warrant was for, but it's Rogers' second arrest in the last four months. The 28-year-old had been training for a comeback before he was found in September passed out drunk at the wheel of his Mercedes. The Mercedes, of course, was a 2003 edition -- the same year he was drafted.

:bash:
Title: Re: NFL Week 17: The Last Week of Regular Season
Post by: katmai on January 05, 2010, 11:23:02 PM
Go Spartoons!