QuoteNFL Spreads 12/20 - 12/22, 2014
Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog
12/20 8:25 ET At San Francisco -1 San Diego
12/20 4:30 ET Philadelphia -7 At Washington
12/21 1:00 ET At Miami -6 Minnesota
12/21 1:00 ET Green Bay -12 At Tampa Bay
12/21 1:00 ET Detroit -8 At Chicago
12/21 1:00 ET At New Orleans -6.5 Atlanta
12/21 1:00 ET New England -10.5 At NY Jets
12/21 1:00 ET At Pittsburgh -3 Kansas City
12/21 1:00 ET At Carolina -4 Cleveland
12/21 1:00 ET Baltimore -5 At Houston
12/21 4:05 ET At St. Louis -6.5 NY Giants
12/21 4:25 ET Buffalo -6.5 At Oakland
12/21 4:25 ET At Dallas -3.5 Indianapolis
12/21 8:30 ET Seattle -7.5 At Arizona
Monday Night Football Point Spread
12/22 8:30 ET Denver -3 At Cincinnati
LOL, Iggles. Sanchez is: Sanchez.
Nice to see the Niners show up after they've been eliminated from the playoffs. And good show, Bolts. All according to schedule.
It's nice to see that the Niners are a bunch of goofs. Seriously, I've never seen a team get so many illegal formation calls. Same thing in the Superbowl. I like Davis and Boldin, but there's a real problem when you can't even line up. And what's going on with the line? Two years ago, the Niner line was probably the best in the league. Now, Kaepernick is running for his life.
Three different Lineman from two years ago.
Quote from: katmai on December 20, 2014, 11:17:33 PM
Three different Lineman from two years ago.
It's still pretty jarring. The same thing happened in Baltimore, but they're not just letting guys kill Flacco. That sack that turned into a fumble is the kind of hit that you really don't want your guy taking.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 20, 2014, 10:14:32 PM
Nice to see the Niners show up after they've been eliminated from the playoffs. And good show, Bolts. All according to schedule.
I was also glad to see the Skins help narrow down the NFC wildcard field. :P
Quote from: Neil on December 20, 2014, 11:21:56 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 20, 2014, 11:17:33 PM
Three different Lineman from two years ago.
It's still pretty jarring.
Oh no doubt, injuries on both sides of ball have killed this season, add in all the Harbaugh talk turmoil and ugh.
Man, that was embarrassing. Stupid Niners can't do anything right and knock these jerks out.
Christ almighty. Go to Michigan.
Quote from: Neil on December 21, 2014, 12:14:53 AM
Man, that was embarrassing. Stupid Niners can't do anything right and knock these jerks out.
:thumbsup:
Not sure if I accidentally walked into the Philadelphia Eagle fan bar in DC yesterday but this establishment was maybe 95% Eagles fans and 5% Redskins fans (the other 5% not knowing Mark Sanchez wasn't a Jet anymore). The hooting and hollering after every Eagle first down and the chanting after a touchdown was charming after the zeroth time. By the end of the game the look of disbelief and haunting misery in their eyes turned me, very briefly, into the world's greatest Washington fan.
Which bar?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 21, 2014, 08:38:42 AM
Which bar?
Met up with some folks at Penn Social. Happy hour prices are good.
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 21, 2014, 09:49:28 AM
Met up with some folks at Penn Social. Happy hour prices are good.
Man, even in the name. Yeah, Eagles fans are still the worst. S and I were in Philly yesterday and trying to eat dinner during the first half of the game. Should have checked the schedule before making that mistake.
Nobody may circle the wagons like the Buffalo Bills, but nobody fails to show up for road games when it matters like the Baltimore Ravens. :bleeding:
Kenny Albert's sweater has a snowman with a carrot penis. Bold move. Strangely enough Fox hasn't cut to the announcer shot since this came up on Twitter.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5ZwHsJCEAA1DjX.png:large)
They need to just go full Air Raid to help Keenum out.
lol, Keenum's doing just fine.
Quote from: sbr on December 21, 2014, 02:51:35 PM
Kenny Albert's sweater has a snowman with a carrot penis. Bold move. Strangely enough Fox hasn't cut to the announcer shot since this came up on Twitter.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5ZwHsJCEAA1DjX.png:large)
I laughed so hard it triggered an asthma attack. THANKS A LOT.
:lmfao:
Quotelol, Keenum's doing just fine.
lol? It's not Keenum. It's the line. They need to get the ball out faster and putting him in the shotgun with a bunch of short routes would help (they've been doing that on this current drive, actually). Foster can run out of any formation.
Also, Flacco could be helpful and keep throwing picks kthx
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 21, 2014, 03:42:40 PM
Quotelol, Keenum's doing just fine.
lol? It's not Keenum. It's the line. They need to get the ball out faster and putting him in the shotgun with a bunch of short routes would help (they've been doing that on this current drive, actually). Foster can run out of any formation.
Yeah, your concerns are misplaced. You knew he was going to get hit anyway but Keenum's playing a great game, considering his bags aren't even unpacked.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 21, 2014, 03:56:04 PM
Yeah, your concerns are misplaced. You knew he was going to get hit anyway but Keenum's playing a great game, considering his bags aren't even unpacked.
Tap the brakes on the great game and bags aren't unpacked stuff. Keenum lives in Houston and played for them in the preseason (plus last year under Kubiak, but that doesn't matter). He's checking down a lot, which I don't mind given the lack of protection, but he's sub 50% for completions and they've only gotten into the endzone once despite excellent field position.
He's also gotten lit up real bad a couple of times, which I would prefer to avoid.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 21, 2014, 04:26:56 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 21, 2014, 03:56:04 PM
Yeah, your concerns are misplaced. You knew he was going to get hit anyway but Keenum's playing a great game, considering his bags aren't even unpacked.
Tap the brakes on the great game and bags aren't unpacked stuff.
Lighten up. The Texans won.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 21, 2014, 04:33:02 PM
Lighten up. The Texans won.
I don't want Keenum concussed into oblivion. The guy has stones, and I'd prefer to have him on the roster next year as well, if at all possible. Mallett only had a one year deal, Savage got his knee taken out, and Fitz...Fitz played pretty well actually, but they stuck a rod into his tibia or some nasty shit like that.
The Colts receivers seem to have forgotten how to catch over the last week.
I have no explanation at all for why Beckham, Jr. was allowed to stay in the game other than the NFL not wanting to lose out on the highlight clips he provides. Vince McMahon approves of the officiating. :rolleyes:
I want a carrot penis sweater.
Quote from: PDH on December 21, 2014, 06:00:09 PM
I want a carrot penis sweater.
Would you settle for 2 out of 3?
I feel for my boy Kyle Orton, but that was worth slipping down a few picks in the draft for Oaktown. :lol:
Pats O-line played terrible and/or the Jets D-line played great. Not sure which, but that was a shit show on offense. Edelman being out certainly didn't help, though Amendola stepped up. Gutted out a win in the end though.
Watching Warren Moon as a local analyst for the Seahawks...unlike a lot of former players, he looks like he is still in amazing shape.
So the Bungles get to finish the season with back to back prime time games. Super. On the other hand, I guess it's a couple good opportunities to exorcise the prime time curse, and if they lose both games they don't deserve to be in the playoffs.
I noticed people setting up tailgates on my way in to work this morning. Another game I'll glad not to be watching from the stands.
Quote from: Tonitrus on December 22, 2014, 12:17:52 AM
Watching Warren Moon as a local analyst for the Seahawks...unlike a lot of former players, he looks like he is still in amazing shape.
He just totally embraced his West Coast roots after he was Mr Houston for so long. But I guess UW gave him his big break.
Tough games, man. Unfortunately, the Bengals can't stop the NFL Properties agenda.
Quote from: Valmy on December 22, 2014, 10:04:26 AM
Quote from: Tonitrus on December 22, 2014, 12:17:52 AM
Watching Warren Moon as a local analyst for the Seahawks...unlike a lot of former players, he looks like he is still in amazing shape.
He just totally embraced his West Coast roots after he was Mr Houston for so long. But I guess UW gave him his big break.
Most former NFL players I run across seem to stay in good shape. Ickey Woods being the notable exception, of course.
Quote from: derspiess on December 22, 2014, 10:34:09 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 22, 2014, 10:04:26 AM
Quote from: Tonitrus on December 22, 2014, 12:17:52 AM
Watching Warren Moon as a local analyst for the Seahawks...unlike a lot of former players, he looks like he is still in amazing shape.
He just totally embraced his West Coast roots after he was Mr Houston for so long. But I guess UW gave him his big break.
Most former NFL players I run across seem to stay in good shape. Ickey Woods being the notable exception, of course.
Well you run across more than most of us. The thing that always amazes me is seeing the former offensive linemen shrink to normal sized people. Dan Neil is a local personality from the Broncos Super Bowl teams, and his Super Bowl rings could fit about three of his fingers now.
Quote from: Valmy on December 22, 2014, 10:37:36 AM
Well you run across more than most of us.
Well, I guess I'm including those I see on the teevee.
QuoteThe thing that always amazes me is seeing the former offensive linemen shrink to normal sized people. Dan Neil is a local personality from the Broncos Super Bowl teams, and his Super Bowl rings could fit about three of his fingers now.
Anthony Munoz stays in good shape. The Bengals radio color guy Dave Lapham (played Guard for the Bengals in the 70s/80s and then finished out his career with the New Jersey Generals-- lol) isn't in great of shape but he seems healthy enough. He's kind of our local version of John Madden-- but with more screaming when there's a big play.
For some reason, I think offensive lineman get back in better shape after retirement than defensive lineman.
They are probably anxious to stop carrying around the 100 or so extra pounds they had to as players.
I heard Munoz referred to as the dirtiest player in football.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 22, 2014, 10:49:56 AM
I heard Munoz referred to as the dirtiest player in football.
Boomer Esiason had to be protected at all costs!
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 22, 2014, 10:49:56 AM
I heard Munoz referred to as the dirtiest player in football.
Not possible. He's a devout Christian.
Plus it's not cheating if you get away with it!!
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 22, 2014, 10:49:56 AM
I heard Munoz referred to as the dirtiest player in football.
Always out for the Mexicans aren't you :mad:
Fairly in-depth and mostly accurate article on the Surface 2 that we've been using on the sideline this year: http://www.engadget.com/2014/12/19/how-the-nfl-makes-use-of-surface-pro-2/
And what seems to basically be a Microsoft commercial: http://www.engadget.com/2014/12/22/seahawks-qb-russell-wilson-interview/
I've been using it for a about a year - typing this post on it now.
I wasn't a huge fan early on but it has grown on me.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on December 21, 2014, 05:55:07 PM
I have no explanation at all for why Beckham, Jr. was allowed to stay in the game other than the NFL not wanting to lose out on the highlight clips he provides. Vince McMahon approves of the officiating. :rolleyes:
The New York Football Beckhams also need to sell out their luxury suites for next season.
Quote from: derspiess on December 22, 2014, 10:01:44 AM
So the Bungles get to finish the season with back to back prime time games. Super. On the other hand, I guess it's a couple good opportunities to exorcise the prime time curse, and if they lose both games they don't deserve to be in the playoffs.
I noticed people setting up tailgates on my way in to work this morning. Another game I'll glad not to be watching from the stands.
And if they can manage to lose them, and Baltimore doesn't go full retard against the Browns, I'll get to watch at least one more Ravens game this year.
dsr is going to pull it off since AJ Green is basically out of this game.
Would you shut the fuck up and stop jinxing me. :lol:
:yeah: :showoff:
Great win for the Bengals.
It's a game a legitimate playoff team needs to win, but everyone knows they're still the Bengals.
Bah.
Fun game.
Grats sbr.
Won third place for year. I'll take it after season had with injuries to players picked.
Quote from: sbr on December 22, 2014, 10:45:36 PM
Would you shut the fuck up and stop jinxing me. :lol:
I do what I can to make 1. have Tim win 2. Pump up this LFFL thing.
Damn, I think that's the third time I've lost the championship. <_<
At least the Pats have home field advantage now. :)
Tempted to drive up to Pittsburgh next weekend. I'm sure the wife would understand.
Sis scored tickets at the last minute for Browns-Ravens, so that' her presents for me and Pops. Two birds, one stone. Figure it's the last time they play this year anyway. :lol:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 23, 2014, 06:24:00 PM
Sis scored tickets at the last minute for Browns-Ravens, so that' her presents for me and Pops. Two birds, one stone. Figure it's the last time they play this year anyway. :lol:
Ravens face an easier opponent than the Chargers do, which makes them the odds-on favorite to get that last playoff spot even though they don't control their own fate. Will be the last home game, though.
Oh, and after a review of Monday Night's game I was on TV five times. The only close shot got half my face, though. And my purple hat looks almost like a regular old blue hat on TV :(
Quote
Ravens face an easier opponent than the Chargers do, which makes them the odds-on favorite to get that last playoff spot even though they don't control their own fate. Will be the last home game, though.
If they back in--and that's how it would happen--they're going in the wrong direction. 1 and done if they go.
They have a shot against all likely opponents. Indy is in a slump, Steelers are beatable depending whether Jeckyll or Hyde shows up, and the Bengals would have to beat the Ravens thrice in one season which is a tough task.
Ravens seem to struggle more against shitty teams than against good teams.
Saw this over at Grantland and I think it's pretty likely.
QuoteQ: Wouldn't it be just like Jay Cutler to come back for one game and play really well? We would end up with the 13th pick instead of the 8th pick, then we can spend eight months talking about how Cutler could be a good quarterback just with a different coach and OC. Then he can spend all of camp saying the right things and acting mature until the first sign of adversity and he will throw seven picks in three games and sink another season.
–Kevin, Pflugerville
People had been delusional about Cutler's abilities for quite a while. Not sure if they'll buy into him again so easily, though.
He's a B/B- QB. And honestly I don't think Chicago should build around an A QB, since they play outside, in the wind and cold. They should build around run and defense.
But absolutely ridiculous to pay him the kind of money they did.
I would say C+ maybe. Which *can* be good enough if all the other pieces are in place.
I just noticed the past 2-3 years he got way too much credit with Bears fans when they won, when in fact many of those times the win was due in larger part to other factors.
I have a hard time seeing Cutler as anything better than a C-. After all, he has some pretty effective pieces around him in terms of offensive players. He just makes boneheaded plays, and is a caustic influence in the locker room. The As are self-evident. The Bs are guys like Roethlisberger, Rivers, Flacco and Romo, who don't rule their games, either due to inconsistency or just not being that kind of QB. The Cs are guys who are just holding on as starters, the guys who give you the problem where they're good enough to keep their job, but not good enough to put the team on their shoulders, like Cutler, (maybe) Dalton and Kaepernick. Then you get guys like Geno Smith, the assorted mooks in places like Tennessee or Jacksonville that are the Ds. Finally, F is reserved for JaMarcus Russell-type players. A special kind of terrible.
Cutler has real talent on his own--more of a pocket passer than a gunslinger--but he's one of those who's only going to be successful as the tools he's given. Right now he's not in the top 10 in the league, but he's not in the bottom 10, either.
I think in a real system with real talent around him, he'd be in the top 10, as opposed to just a game manager.
He's always come across as a Million dollar arm, 10cent head.
Quote from: katmai on December 26, 2014, 02:21:19 PM
He's always come across as a Million dollar arm, 10cent head.
Another Drew Bledsoe, then.
Alex Smith is ruled out for KC's game against San Diego; Chase Daniel will start. The odds of Phillip Rivers in the post-season just increased substantially.
Quote from: katmai on December 26, 2014, 02:21:19 PM
He's always come across as a Million dollar arm, 10cent head.
Ah, the Al Davis wet dream! Hostetler, George, Collins, Brooks, Culpepper, and Russell. That's just since I started watching regularly. That being said, even Cutler's rookie season looks a lot more mediocre when you take out the week 1 beatdown of a horrible Raiders team.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 26, 2014, 02:13:58 PM
Cutler has real talent on his own--more of a pocket passer than a gunslinger--but he's one of those who's only going to be successful as the tools he's given. Right now he's not in the top 10 in the league, but he's not in the bottom 10, either.
I think in a real system with real talent around him, he'd be in the top 10, as opposed to just a game manager.
What? :huh:
Marc Trestman's offensive system has never really been questioned. It made Jimmy Claussen look like a reasonable NFL QB against the #2 defense in the league for fucks sake. When he made the proper drop, read and throw he was throwing to open guys. I don't think any of Claussen's mistakes were on the "system".
Real Talent? As opposed to a pretty good O-line; Brandon Marshall and Alshon Jeffries (one of the Top 3-4 WR combos in the league); Marcellus Bennett (a very nice TE); Matt Forte (one of the most talented RBs in the league)? What team has significantly better offensive skill players than that?
Because of the teams he has played for and the way the local affiliates choose games I haven't seen Cutler play that much, but I think the " real talent on his own" is a big part of the problem. He is so physically talented that he lets his fundamentals go and doesn't make the proper drop, read and throw. He may have all of the arm talent in the world, but he ain't no Bugs Bunny. The ball isn't going directly through or changing directions midair to go around a defender no matter how many times he tries.
Quote from: sbr on December 27, 2014, 10:47:58 AM
Marc Trestman's offensive system has never really been questioned.
It ought to be, considering its current 13-18 record. Marc Trestman kills quarterbacks dead.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 27, 2014, 11:20:42 AM
Quote from: sbr on December 27, 2014, 10:47:58 AM
Marc Trestman's offensive system has never really been questioned.
It ought to be, considering its current 13-18 record. Marc Trestman kills quarterbacks dead.
We are talking about Trestman's system, not his ability as a head coach.
He really did a number on Steve Young's career huh? And Bernie Kosar. Made Jake Plummer one of the best QBs in the league. And made Scott Mitchell a multi-millionaire. And Rich Gannon an MVP. You have strange ideas about quarterback killers. :lol:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Trestman#NFL
QuoteNFL[edit]
Trestman moved to the National Football League and coached running backs with the Minnesota Vikings in 1985 and 1986. He served as quarterbacks coach first with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 1987 and then the Cleveland Browns in 1988. In Cleveland he again coached Kosar and the team finished 10–6 and made the playoffs. His promotion to offensive coordinator in 1989 was made before the team named Bud Carson as Marty Schottenheimer's successor as head coach.[6] Kosar passed for 3,533 yards and 18 TDs that season, while wide receiver Webster Slaughter had a franchise record 1,236 receiving yards. Trestman was dismissed after the Browns' third loss in the AFC Championship game in four years, primarily due to his strained relationship with Carson.[6]
In 1990, Trestman returned to Minnesota as quarterbacks coach for the Vikings. He spent two years there and then left coaching for three years, and worked in the municipal bond sale during that timespan.[5]
He returned to the NFL in 1995 as quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator with San Francisco, where he served in that capacity through 1996. The first year he was in San Francisco, the team led the NFL with 457 points scored, 644 pass attempts and 4,779 passing yards.
Trestman joined the Detroit Lions as quarterbacks coach in 1997. That year Lions quarterback Scott Mitchell passed for 3,484 yards, fourth most in team history.
In 1998 he was with the Arizona Cardinals as quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator. That year quarterback Jake Plummer threw for 3,737 yards, and the Cardinals made the playoffs for the first time since 1982 and won their first post season game in 51 years.
He next went to the Oakland Raiders in 2001 as the quarterbacks coach. In 2002 he was promoted to offensive coordinator and the Raiders led the NFL in total offense with 389.8 yards per game and passing yards with 279.7 per game. Under Trestman's guidance, Raiders QB Rich Gannon won the 2002 NFL MVP award as the Raiders reached Super Bowl XXXVII, losing to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Trestman spent the 2004 season with the Miami Dolphins before returning to the college ranks (see above).
In 2007, Trestman spent time with the New Orleans Saints as a consultant for Head Coach Sean Payton.[7]
I was thinking Scott Mitchell had done better than that at Detroit, so I looked:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Mitchell_%28American_football%29#NFL_stats
1995: 4,300 yards passing, 32TDs, 12 picks. That's a helluva year.
Quote from: sbr on December 27, 2014, 02:08:54 PMHe really did a number on Steve Young's career huh? And Bernie Kosar. Made Jake Plummer one of the best QBs in the league. And made Scott Mitchell a multi-millionaire. And Rich Gannon an MVP. You have strange ideas about quarterback killers. :lol:
Trestman is a sham.
And yeah, MBM; Mitchell did so good, he totally suckered Baltimore into giving him the Brinks truck. :lol:
Trestman is a sham. And a punk ass bitch. So solly, sbr. Go eat a bag of Trestdicks.
Trestman is a sham that makes other players into shams and then tricks other teams into overpaying for the shams his sham shammed?
Am I getting that right?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 27, 2014, 03:07:09 PM
Quote from: sbr on December 27, 2014, 02:08:54 PMHe really did a number on Steve Young's career huh? And Bernie Kosar. Made Jake Plummer one of the best QBs in the league. And made Scott Mitchell a multi-millionaire. And Rich Gannon an MVP. You have strange ideas about quarterback killers. :lol:
Trestman is a sham.
And yeah, MBM; Mitchell did so good, he totally suckered Baltimore into giving him the Brinks truck. :lol:
Trestman is a sham. And a punk ass bitch. So solly, sbr. Go eat a bag of Trestdicks.
Wait, this starts off because you are trying to put Cutler's failures off onto the "system" and his team mates. I call you out on that and provide examples that show you don't know what the fuck you are talking about so you turn to attack me? :lol:
Go fuck yourself and watch a Seth Rogan movie marathon because you very clearly have no clue what the fuck you are talking about when it comes to the NFL.
Quote from: sbr on December 27, 2014, 03:15:26 PM
Wait, this starts off because you are trying to put Cutler's failures off onto the "system" and his team mates. I call you out on that and provide examples that show you don't know what the fuck you are talking about so you turn to attack me? :lol:
Cutler's problem is not Cutler, it's the Trestman/Kromer Axis.
And I'm attacking you because you dared to bring up Bernie. Fucking lecture me, I was there in '89, watching Trestman getting Bernie killed in person, fucker. Only Eric Metcalf the Mighty Longhorn saved that season; it certainly wasn't Trestman.
QuoteGo fuck yourself and watch a Seth Rogan movie marathon because you very clearly have no clue what the fuck you are talking about when it comes to the NFL.
I noticed you didn't mention Trestman's culpability in Vinny setting a a record with 35 interceptions in 1987. Then again, that was enough for Trestman to convince The Genius Himself, Bill Belicheat, that Vinny was a real quarterback and destroy an entire franchise with him.
Trestman is a sham. Don't be hating on me because right now the Bears could have Bruce Arians and his upcoming Coach of the Year Award in Chicago instead. But no, Trestman sold the Bears a bill of goods, because he's a sham.
I hate talking NFL with people who don't know what they are talking about. It's like the day after the Super Bowl, all the people that watch one game a year and then try to spout off about what happened.
#1. How would that explain that the last 2 years are 2 of the best years in Cutlers career? http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/9597/jay-cutler
#2 Trestman was in Tampa Bay in 1987 dumbass.
Now please, go find something else to do.
Quote from: sbr on December 27, 2014, 03:40:23 PM
I hate talking NFL with people who don't know what they are talking about. It's like the day after the Super Bowl, all the people that watch one game a year and then try to spout off about what happened.
And I hate unabashed Marc Trestman apologists.
Quote#2 Trestman was in Tampa Bay in 1987 dumbass.
So was Vinny. So Vinny's picks were in '88, I was off a year. Big deal; still another sham job by Trestman.
QuoteNow please, go find something else to do.
I'd rather watch you continue deflecting Trestman's responsibility in destroying the Bears on Cutler.
Uh sbr. So was Vinny in 87
In sbr's defense, it was the strike season. So you could see how the #1 overall draft pick, and the QB coach from his college specifically hired to work with him, wouldn't have had much to do with one another, what with the NFL on strike for 3 weeks and all.
Wait, wasn't Cutler a headcase and the exact same guy who would tantalize you with his arm and then throw crunchtime picks in Denver?
How does Trestman get the blame for Shanahan getting fired? He someone used his juju on Cutler from Montreal, and forced him to throw all those terrible interceptions?
Cutler is a loser. He's had two winning records in his whole career (and what might have been another before he got hurt), and those were back when the Bears were rolling with defence. People have this weirdly inflated opinion of him, and I can't tell why. The guy doesn't win games. He doesn't have the stats. He's not charismatic, walking around half-asleep all the time. But people try and love him all the same.
Shanahan got fired because the statute of limitations on Relying on the Legacy of John Elway finally expired on his ass.
Nobody under center in Chicago could deal with their shitty defense this season--which, all Cutler hate and Trestdicks aside, has been the real issue in Chicago. Not even Tony Romo can save that team.
Quote from: sbr on December 27, 2014, 10:47:58 AM
Matt Forte (one of the most talented RBs in the league)?
Forte is probably the most over-rated RB in the league, maybe the most over-rated player, period.
Yes, Chicago has a bad defence. But they also have a bad quarterback, who has been bad almost his entire career, except when he's mediocre.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 27, 2014, 06:05:11 PM
Not even Tony Romo can save that team.
Speaking of shams...
Quote from: katmai on December 27, 2014, 03:58:13 PM
Uh sbr. So was Vinny in 87
Meh. He said Vinny, I read Bernie. They are basically interchangeable anyway.
This whole thing is just too funny. In a
stunning development Seedy is blaming someone's alleged problems on something, anything, other than the person who is actually having the problems and then when called out on his nonsense lashes out like a child.
Statistically Cutler has been pretty consistent throughout his career and this year isn't any different than a normal Cutler year. There has been little variation in his completion percentage (the last 2 years have been a positive outlier), yards per attempt, TD/INT ratio on a per year basis and if you break it down into 2 year chunks (this is his best 2 year run, but it is very close, because everything is so close). If not for his career high completion percentage, the weird number of fumbles, the fact that he is the highest paid offensive player in the league, and a bad Monday Night game after which Young and Dilfer killed him this is a completely unremarkable year for Cutler. It is a bit strange to blame a "system" and one of the most talented offenses in the league for a QB putting up a statistically normal year.
The Bear's defense is terrible and Trestman is obviously not a good head coach, that is why the Bears are bad. You would like more from the highest paid QB but Cutler is what he is. It's like expecting your couch to be more comfortable just because you lost a bunch of money in the cushions.
Quote from: dps on December 27, 2014, 06:36:22 PM
Quote from: sbr on December 27, 2014, 10:47:58 AM
Matt Forte (one of the most talented RBs in the league)?
Forte is probably the most over-rated RB in the league, maybe the most over-rated player, period.
Do you care to expand on that because I couldn't disagree more.
He has missed 6 games in 7 years, averages over 4 yards a carry, is one of the best receiving backs in the league and is very good in pass protection and doesn't really fumble.
His numbers aren't where they could be but they don't use him as much as other top notch backs are used. He has only 1 300 carry season, his rookie year, the year before Cutler got to Chicago. Excluding that season he only averages 247 carries a season, though he does catch 62 passes a year.
I don't know what he makes, and the way the game is played now I wouldn't want to pay ANY running back much, but Forte is one of the very best backs in the league.
Quote from: sbr on December 28, 2014, 12:45:39 PM
he is the highest paid offensive player in the league
:blink: Seriously?
Quote from: Neil on December 27, 2014, 04:57:50 PM
Wait, wasn't Cutler a headcase and the exact same guy who would tantalize you with his arm and then throw crunchtime picks in Denver?
How does Trestman get the blame for Shanahan getting fired? He someone used his juju on Cutler from Montreal, and forced him to throw all those terrible interceptions?
Cutler is a loser. He's had two winning records in his whole career (and what might have been another before he got hurt), and those were back when the Bears were rolling with defence. People have this weirdly inflated opinion of him, and I can't tell why. The guy doesn't win games. He doesn't have the stats. He's not charismatic, walking around half-asleep all the time. But people try and love him all the same.
He has some physical tools that cannot be taught. It is pretty common to take a chance on a physical freak, hoping you can teach the fundamentals while maintaining the crazy physical tools.
Of course JaMArcus Russel had had some of those physical tools as well.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 28, 2014, 12:52:11 PM
Quote from: sbr on December 28, 2014, 12:45:39 PM
he is the highest paid offensive player in the league
:blink: Seriously?
This year he is, which is the root of all of the problems.
The problem with the league at the moment, because of the way the passing game has taken over the last few years, is that most teams think that if you don't have an elite top notch QB you are rebuilding and looking for one. If you have a guy who could be close, but isn't top shelf, you have to decide to overpay him or start over from scratch. The Bears chose the former with the wrong guy.
I.e. "the Flacco gambit."
Yep
Welp sure glad Niners didn't do anything so foolish with Kap.
:weep:
Quote from: katmai on December 28, 2014, 12:59:48 PM
Welp sure glad Niners didn't do anything so foolish with Kap.
:weep:
The weird thing was how they changed the offense away from what Kap did best. I don't know how you pay him that much then take the Pistol formation out of the playbook.
The Seachickens are in for the same thing this off-season when they have to pay Wilson. They have been locking up some big parts with that in mind but they will lose a lot of their depth in the coming seasons.
Yeah will be curious to see if new coach goes back to pistolish playbook or what they do with Him.
You know, I wonder about the Flacco gambit. Sure, Flacco is the best QB the Ravens have ever had, but with all that money tied up in him, you have a hard time getting him what he really needs, which is a really good receiver. I mean, it's hard to get a really good receiver, and you're in a tough position because of how central the QB position is to everything. It certainly would have stung to let Flacco walk and then have him win a Superbowl with Arizona or Houston (teams which have receivers, but are missing QBs).
Quote from: sbr on December 28, 2014, 12:45:39 PM
Meh. He said Vinny, I read Bernie. They are basically interchangeable anyway.
Talk about people that don't know what they're talking about. One set a record for lowest interception rate that stood for almost 20 years. The other was a Shane Conlan magnet that would throw the ball away on 4th and long. You fucking moron.
QuoteThis whole thing is just too funny. In a stunning development Seedy is blaming someone's alleged problems on something, anything, other than the person who is actually having the problems and then when called out on his nonsense lashes out like a child.
You're the one that freaked the Berkut out when I mentioned "system", and yeah, I said Cutler would thrive in a system that fits him: namely, one that doesn't rely on his fucking head. Trestman needs quarterbacks that can think out his overschemed offense, and that isn't Cutler. So yes, a different system would be a better fit for Cutler, like the one Kubiak has dumbed down for Flacco--who, like Cutler, is also all arm, not so much brain. Cutler is just not a West Coast quarterback, or whatever genetically-modified West Coast hybrid monster tomato that Trestman likes to run these days.
QuoteIt is a bit strange to blame a "system" and one of the most talented offenses in the league for a QB putting up a statistically normal year.
I said he wasn't in the top 10, but he wasn't in the bottom 10, either. That sounds rather statistically normal. Now, have a fucking brat and a Xanax, you hypersensitive SuperFan. Enjoy the Blackhawks before the McCaskeys eventually go full retard and hire Rex Ryan.
Quote from: Neil on December 28, 2014, 01:17:25 PM
You know, I wonder about the Flacco gambit. Sure, Flacco is the best QB the Ravens have ever had, but with all that money tied up in him, you have a hard time getting him what he really needs, which is a really good receiver. I mean, it's hard to get a really good receiver, and you're in a tough position because of how central the QB position is to everything. It certainly would have stung to let Flacco walk and then have him win a Superbowl with Arizona or Houston (teams which have receivers, but are missing QBs).
Yeah, they've really never had a top-flight #1 receiver since Derrick Alexander, who was drafted when they were the Browns for fuck's sake, and that is the big black mark on Ozzie's draft record; all their best and productive WRs have always been free-agent wideouts that are #2 possession big-balls types, like Mason, Bouldin, and Steve Smith. They've been trying to make Torrey Smith into a #1, but he was always the fly guy at College Park and his first years in Baltimore, so turning him into Michael Irvin has been difficult. The closest they've ever gotten to a real #1 was when Terrell Owens rejected their trade for him. :lol: But they will always draft the best player available on their board, and it will usually pan out in other parts of the team. Last year was one of the deepest drafts for wideouts in the last few years, and what do they do? Only draft the linebacker that becomes the team's first rookie to go to the Pro Bowl.
But it's a quarterback-driven league, and if you have a Flacco, you keep him. They'll rework his current contract after Year 3 next season; the whole point of the deal was to be cap-friendly for 3 years, and get him the big signing bonus. Not having Ray Rice's contract will help, especially when they need a real starting running back, because I don't think Forsett is the long-term answer, and Ngata will probably be gone next year.
Although you would've appreciated all the pinheads in the stadium yesterday, calling for Tyrod Taylor to play, because it's Flacco's fault the back-up right tackle blows his assignment and Flacco gets chased down from behind when he rolls to his left.
Or the middle aged woman in the purple feather boa and Ravens face-paint sitting in front of me, bitching in her Ease Bawlmer chain-smoker voice about how "Harbaugh hasta go, he just can't coach on game days, hon." Lucky for her this morning, the Detroit Free Press has granted her wish.
Well, the Jets finally pulled the plug on Rex Ryan. Maybe now they'll hire a coach who can fix their QB problem--it was clear that Ryan couldn't (as I said before, the only thing a Ryan knows about offense is how to stop it, and unfortunately, if you hire one as your HC, that applies to their own offense).
This being the Jets, though, they'll probably hire their new head coach from the ranks of defensive coordinators, or do something really retarded like hire Charlie Weis.