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Women everywhere need to learn to say no and leave. Not just say no & then suffer in silence.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 24, 2014, 01:13:45 PM
Women everywhere need to learn to say no and leave. Not just say no & then suffer in silence.
Umm, most of the allegations are that he drugged them. So "saying no and leaving" wasn't much of an option.
Damn, thought thread title was a joke.
Of course, Whoopi wasn't sure if this was rape-rape or not. I wonder what her issue is with going easy on rapists... she did the same thing with Polanski. :hmm:
Having said that, I agree with her generally that it's a bit early to lynch Cosby, but I wonder why she always takes that position? Just to be contrarian/get publicity?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 24, 2014, 01:19:39 PM
Damn, thought thread title was a joke.
uhhhhhh no. If this stuff is true he's in serious trouble. :(
Quote from: Caliga on November 24, 2014, 01:21:13 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 24, 2014, 01:19:39 PM
Damn, thought thread title was a joke.
uhhhhhh no. If this stuff is true he's in serious trouble. :(
Well unlikely. These are all very dated allegations. I think the most recent I've seen was late 90s. Seems unlikely he's going to be charged.
The most serious trouble he's in is that NBC cancelled his recent pilot, and Netflix has cancelled a comedy show they were going to 'broadcast'.
Whether or not he gets charged, his life/career could be destroyed. :mellow:
Quote from: Barrister on November 24, 2014, 01:22:56 PM
Well unlikely. These are all very dated allegations. I think the most recent I've seen was late 90s. Seems unlikely he's going to be charged.
The most serious trouble he's in is that NBC cancelled his recent pilot, and Netflix has cancelled a comedy show they were going to 'broadcast'.
There's also the trouble of his memory being tarnished. That's kind of a big deal.
I loved I Spy, his stand-up, Fat Albert, The Cosby Show, etc. and it would be horrible to think the man turned out to be a serial rapist. My reaction thus far has been to try and not think about it and/or hope it's not true. Which is pretty much what I did in the early days of the OJ saga :mellow:
Should have kept his pudding pop to himself.
Oh H-E-L-L-N-O. :(
Quote from: Caliga on November 24, 2014, 01:28:31 PM
Whether or not he gets charged, his life/career could be destroyed. :mellow:
Dude is 77 years old. His career is basically over at this point anyways.
He still performs standup and apparently has (had?) a new TV show in the works.
Quote from: Caliga on November 24, 2014, 01:46:12 PM
He still performs standup and apparently has (had?) a new TV show in the works.
Yeah his new show has been thrown into the trash bin now.
He's had a standing gig at Harvey's at Lake Tahoe for a long time. I was under the impression he had an ownership stake there. Those kinds of contracts sometimes have clauses in them for things like this though.
I'm sure future work will be pretty dry. He's probably comfortable. Unless Camilla leaves him and he gets raped through the divorce courts. But she'd not been inclined that way when the past events happened.
My favorite part was the #cosbymeme social media campaign he/his team started right as this really started heatign up.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/kateaurthur/the-bill-cosby-cosbymeme-hashtag-backfired-immediately
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Quote from: Barrister on November 24, 2014, 01:14:44 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 24, 2014, 01:13:45 PM
Women everywhere need to learn to say no and leave. Not just say no & then suffer in silence.
Umm, most of the allegations are that he drugged them. So "saying no and leaving" wasn't much of an option.
At the current rythm this is going, 50% of women alive today will have been raped in their lifetime.
Rape is rape but at some point you gotta ask did all the man doing the raping realized they were raping someone?
Assuming the allegations in this case are true, there's no doubt in my mind he would have known what he was doing was wrong. Drugging someone into unconsciousness so you can molest them is pretty obviously wrong by any moral yardstick. :hmm:
Well, one of the big things to teach people is empathy. That's the struggle of the 21st century.
Also what Cal said.
Quote from: derspiess on November 24, 2014, 01:31:47 PM
I loved I Spy, his stand-up, Fat Albert, The Cosby Show, etc. and it would be horrible to think the man turned out to be a serial rapist. My reaction thus far has been to try and not think about it and/or hope it's not true. Which is pretty much what I did in the early days of the OJ saga :mellow:
Agree on Cosby, disagree on OJ... for whatever reason I never thought very fondly of OJ, though I did think he was surprisingly funny in the Naked Gun movies.
Quote from: Caliga on November 24, 2014, 02:33:58 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 24, 2014, 01:31:47 PM
I loved I Spy, his stand-up, Fat Albert, The Cosby Show, etc. and it would be horrible to think the man turned out to be a serial rapist. My reaction thus far has been to try and not think about it and/or hope it's not true. Which is pretty much what I did in the early days of the OJ saga :mellow:
Agree on Cosby, disagree on OJ... for whatever reason I never thought very fondly of OJ, though I did think he was surprisingly funny in the Naked Gun movies.
Well, I have my own reasons. I was a Buffalo Bills fan in the early 80s, which was after he retired but still close enough to his career to hear about his success. So I read up on him and did a 4th grade book report on his autobiography. So I basically idolized him growing up. So I gave him the benefit of the doubt until the white Bronco incident.
Did you like the Baba Booey call during that? :cool:
No.
Doh :(
It's something one would think would amuse me but completely falls flat :mellow:
Al Michaels said he thought it was funny. *shrug*
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 24, 2014, 02:30:03 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 24, 2014, 01:14:44 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 24, 2014, 01:13:45 PM
Women everywhere need to learn to say no and leave. Not just say no & then suffer in silence.
Umm, most of the allegations are that he drugged them. So "saying no and leaving" wasn't much of an option.
At the current rythm this is going, 50% of women alive today will have been raped in their lifetime.
Rape is rape but at some point you gotta ask did all the man doing the raping realized they were raping someone?
there's a big difference between having sex with a drunk girl who wakes up the morning after and decides she was rapped and having sex with a passed out girl (even worst if you drugged her yourself).
I always found him creepy. What is bizarre is how these allegations have been ignored so all thise years until Buress made a joke few weeks ago
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 24, 2014, 01:13:45 PM
Women everywhere need to learn to say no and leave. Not just say no & then suffer in silence.
And you say Ide's views on sex are sad and disturbing? :lol:
Wow. First Eric Camden, now Cliff Huxtable. :(
I am a bit surprised this is news. I thought this came out awhile ago.
Anyway growing up in the 80s, finding out Bill Cosby is evil is just a bit more than I can take. I am doing my very best to ignore it. Man you just cannot trust anybody anymore. How many of you guys are evil?
Quote from: Valmy on November 24, 2014, 06:14:55 PM
I am a bit surprised this is news. I thought this came out awhile ago.
Anyway growing up in the 80s, finding out Bill Cosby is evil is just a bit more than I can take. I am doing my very best to ignore it. Man you just cannot trust anybody anymore. How many of you guys are evil?
I'm merely Machiavellian. :(
Quote from: Valmy on November 24, 2014, 06:14:55 PM
How many of you guys are evil?
How many are lawyers?
Quote from: Caliga on November 24, 2014, 02:32:30 PM
Assuming the allegations in this case are true, there's no doubt in my mind he would have known what he was doing was wrong. Drugging someone into unconsciousness so you can molest them is pretty obviously wrong by any moral yardstick. :hmm:
Fuck.
;)
Quote from: Barrister on November 24, 2014, 01:22:56 PM
Well unlikely. These are all very dated allegations. I think the most recent I've seen was late 90s. Seems unlikely he's going to be charged.
I thought 2005?
We've had a few prosecutions of historic sex abuse cases since the Savile story broke and there's Operation Yewtree etc. I don't want to think who but I'd be surprised if similar abuse of power didn't exist in other entertainment industries, especially Hollywood.
But it's OK, because he's an artist.
Quote from: Josephus on November 24, 2014, 06:48:07 PM
Quote from: Caliga on November 24, 2014, 02:32:30 PM
Assuming the allegations in this case are true, there's no doubt in my mind he would have known what he was doing was wrong. Drugging someone into unconsciousness so you can molest them is pretty obviously wrong by any moral yardstick. :hmm:
Fuck.
;)
that's the general idea.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 24, 2014, 06:54:34 PM
But it's OK, because he's an artist.
No, he's an entertainer.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 24, 2014, 07:13:42 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 24, 2014, 06:54:34 PM
But it's OK, because he's an artist.
No, he's an entertainer.
Thank you for ruining my Roman Polanski jab, Professor Assburger.
Anytime.
Quote from: derspiess on November 24, 2014, 01:31:47 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 24, 2014, 01:22:56 PM
Well unlikely. These are all very dated allegations. I think the most recent I've seen was late 90s. Seems unlikely he's going to be charged.
The most serious trouble he's in is that NBC cancelled his recent pilot, and Netflix has cancelled a comedy show they were going to 'broadcast'.
There's also the trouble of his memory being tarnished. That's kind of a big deal.
I loved I Spy, his stand-up, Fat Albert, The Cosby Show, etc. and it would be horrible to think the man turned out to be a serial rapist. My reaction thus far has been to try and not think about it and/or hope it's not true. Which is pretty much what I did in the early days of the OJ saga :mellow:
Same here, it's just so incredibly sad. :(
Quote from: Martinus on November 24, 2014, 03:42:36 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 24, 2014, 01:13:45 PM
Women everywhere need to learn to say no and leave. Not just say no & then suffer in silence.
And you say Ide's views on sex are sad and disturbing? :lol:
Yes.
I like having a willing partner, do you?
:huh:
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 24, 2014, 09:45:54 PM
I like having a willing partner, do you?
Depends. Is CPR going to be involved? Because I let my certification lapse.
Quote from: Valmy on November 24, 2014, 06:14:55 PM
I am a bit surprised this is news. I thought this came out awhile ago.
Anyway growing up in the 80s, finding out Bill Cosby is evil is just a bit more than I can take. I am doing my very best to ignore it. Man you just cannot trust anybody anymore. How many of you guys are evil?
Only professionally. :hmm:
I'm not evil, but if I were, history would vindicate me.
Quote from: Valmy on November 24, 2014, 06:14:55 PM
I am a bit surprised this is news. I thought this came out awhile ago.
I am wondering what it is that is finally making this matter come to a head now. It has been a not so secret, secret for quite some time.
I knew he had a history of harassment and cheating on his wife, but possibly 20 or more incidents of rape was news to me.
Quote from: garbon on November 25, 2014, 09:39:35 AM
Quote from: Valmy on November 24, 2014, 06:14:55 PM
I am a bit surprised this is news. I thought this came out awhile ago.
I am wondering what it is that is finally making this matter come to a head now. It has been a not so secret, secret for quite some time.
Read some speculation that the catalyst was the whole Gomeshi thing happening up in Canada - this would have a bigger impact on media types than on the general pop.
Quote from: garbon on November 25, 2014, 09:39:35 AM
Quote from: Valmy on November 24, 2014, 06:14:55 PM
I am a bit surprised this is news. I thought this came out awhile ago.
I am wondering what it is that is finally making this matter come to a head now. It has been a not so secret, secret for quite some time.
It seems like people commenting on a joke made by Hannibal Buress started it. Which seems quite random, especially as Buress apparently has been making that joke for a while now in his stand-up routine.
Quote from: Malthus on November 25, 2014, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: garbon on November 25, 2014, 09:39:35 AM
Quote from: Valmy on November 24, 2014, 06:14:55 PM
I am a bit surprised this is news. I thought this came out awhile ago.
I am wondering what it is that is finally making this matter come to a head now. It has been a not so secret, secret for quite some time.
Read some speculation that the catalyst was the whole Gomeshi thing happening up in Canada - this would have a bigger impact on media types than on the general pop.
Hmmm. I listen to a couple of podcasts made by American comedians, where they discuss various comedy gossip, among others, and the Gomeshi thing was never mentioned. On the other hand, the joke by Buress (and the subsequent reaction to it) was widely commented on, starting from about mid-October. It seems like it was a pebble that started the avalanche, as the initial reaction from some quarters was that Buress is an upstart nobody trying to get publicity by besmirching Cosby. This seems to have led to a much stronger backlash going along the lines of "wait a minute, he is right, isn't he?"
Then it made it to the mainstream media, which triggered some victim testimonies it seems. Then Netflix dropped Cosby like a hot potato, and Jon Stuart made a joke about it. At which point Cosby was pretty much a toast.
Quote from: Martinus on November 25, 2014, 10:37:41 AM
Hmmm. I listen to a couple of podcasts made by American comedians, where they discuss various comedy gossip, among others, and the Gomeshi thing was never mentioned.
I've endorsed it before, but Mark Maron's "WTF" podcast delves a lot into the LA scene, the industry of comedy writing and the bigger Hollywood/Chicago/NYC biz. It's an interesting take on the industry, especially when he brings on fellow comics that have been there.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 25, 2014, 10:42:01 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 25, 2014, 10:37:41 AM
Hmmm. I listen to a couple of podcasts made by American comedians, where they discuss various comedy gossip, among others, and the Gomeshi thing was never mentioned.
I've endorsed it before, but Mark Maron's "WTF" podcast delves a lot into the LA scene, the industry of comedy writing and the bigger Hollywood/Chicago/NYC biz. It's an interesting take on the industry, especially when he brings on fellow comics that have been there.
Yeah, I listen to that one occassionally, though I prefer Red Bar Radio, which is more niche/irreverent (it is run by an ex-comedy-club owner/producer who is based in Chicago). The host often refers to Mark Maron's "WTF". Thanks to RBR, I even know who Buress is in the first place (a lot of these guys were guests on RBR 5-6 years ago, before they got famous - for some reason a shitload of US comedians come originally from the Chicago scene).
Quote from: Martinus on November 25, 2014, 10:44:15 AM
for some reason a shitload of US comedians come originally from the Chicago scene).
That's where Second City is.
Chicago is a cultural center in the US (despite its large Polish population) and is especially famous for its live improv and sketch comedy like Second City.
Quote from: Valmy on November 25, 2014, 10:48:09 AM
Chicago is a cultural center in the US (despite its large Polish population) and is especially famous for its live improv and sketch comedy like Second City.
Nice edit. :P
Quote from: Martinus on November 25, 2014, 10:51:47 AM
Quote from: Valmy on November 25, 2014, 10:48:09 AM
Chicago is a cultural center in the US (despite its large Polish population) and is especially famous for its live improv and sketch comedy like Second City.
Nice edit. :P
I thought a shoutout to your people was appropriate :P
Quote from: Martinus on November 25, 2014, 10:37:41 AM
Quote from: Malthus on November 25, 2014, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: garbon on November 25, 2014, 09:39:35 AM
Quote from: Valmy on November 24, 2014, 06:14:55 PM
I am a bit surprised this is news. I thought this came out awhile ago.
I am wondering what it is that is finally making this matter come to a head now. It has been a not so secret, secret for quite some time.
Read some speculation that the catalyst was the whole Gomeshi thing happening up in Canada - this would have a bigger impact on media types than on the general pop.
Hmmm. I listen to a couple of podcasts made by American comedians, where they discuss various comedy gossip, among others, and the Gomeshi thing was never mentioned. On the other hand, the joke by Buress (and the subsequent reaction to it) was widely commented on, starting from about mid-October. It seems like it was a pebble that started the avalanche, as the initial reaction from some quarters was that Buress is an upstart nobody trying to get publicity by besmirching Cosby. This seems to have led to a much stronger backlash going along the lines of "wait a minute, he is right, isn't he?"
Then it made it to the mainstream media, which triggered some victim testimonies it seems. Then Netflix dropped Cosby like a hot potato, and Jon Stuart made a joke about it. At which point Cosby was pretty much a toast.
Here's an article arguing for the connection.
http://www.salon.com/2014/11/17/dirty_little_open_secrets_how_the_jian_ghomeshi_scandal_helped_turn_the_tide_against_bill_cosby/
Quote from: Malthus on November 25, 2014, 10:53:57 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 25, 2014, 10:37:41 AM
Quote from: Malthus on November 25, 2014, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: garbon on November 25, 2014, 09:39:35 AM
Quote from: Valmy on November 24, 2014, 06:14:55 PM
I am a bit surprised this is news. I thought this came out awhile ago.
I am wondering what it is that is finally making this matter come to a head now. It has been a not so secret, secret for quite some time.
Read some speculation that the catalyst was the whole Gomeshi thing happening up in Canada - this would have a bigger impact on media types than on the general pop.
Hmmm. I listen to a couple of podcasts made by American comedians, where they discuss various comedy gossip, among others, and the Gomeshi thing was never mentioned. On the other hand, the joke by Buress (and the subsequent reaction to it) was widely commented on, starting from about mid-October. It seems like it was a pebble that started the avalanche, as the initial reaction from some quarters was that Buress is an upstart nobody trying to get publicity by besmirching Cosby. This seems to have led to a much stronger backlash going along the lines of "wait a minute, he is right, isn't he?"
Then it made it to the mainstream media, which triggered some victim testimonies it seems. Then Netflix dropped Cosby like a hot potato, and Jon Stuart made a joke about it. At which point Cosby was pretty much a toast.
Here's an article arguing for the connection.
http://www.salon.com/2014/11/17/dirty_little_open_secrets_how_the_jian_ghomeshi_scandal_helped_turn_the_tide_against_bill_cosby/
It doesn't really argue much of a connection though - more like it just notes that as an assertion. Really it fails to support its headline.
Ugh, podcasts. Blergh.
Quote from: Valmy on November 25, 2014, 10:48:09 AM
Chicago is a cultural center in the US (despite its large Polish sausages) and is especially famous for its live improv and sketch comedy like Second City.
:)
Excellent sausages is a sign of an advanced culture!
Quote from: Valmy on November 25, 2014, 11:05:51 AM
Excellent sausages is a sign of an advanced culture!
I never thought about it before, but you are quite correct. :bowler:
Out of interest has the various historic sexual abuse cases in the UK got any attention in the US, or Canada for that matter?
Quote from: Sheilbh on November 25, 2014, 11:10:32 AM
Out of interest has the various historic sexual abuse cases in the UK got any attention in the US, or Canada for that matter?
Some, but pretty minimal. Most of what I know is from languish.
Quote from: Sheilbh on November 25, 2014, 11:10:32 AM
Out of interest has the various historic sexual abuse cases in the UK got any attention in the US, or Canada for that matter?
Not that I am aware of :hmm:
Please don't tell me Brian Blessed is involved.
Quote from: Sheilbh on November 25, 2014, 11:10:32 AM
Out of interest has the various historic sexual abuse cases in the UK got any attention in the US, or Canada for that matter?
Saville's case got a broad coverage in Poland, but I can't think of another.
Quote from: Sheilbh on November 25, 2014, 11:10:32 AM
Out of interest has the various historic sexual abuse cases in the UK got any attention in the US, or Canada for that matter?
Saville got noticed on the nightly news.
The Belgian freak did too.
Quote from: Valmy on November 25, 2014, 11:12:12 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on November 25, 2014, 11:10:32 AM
Out of interest has the various historic sexual abuse cases in the UK got any attention in the US, or Canada for that matter?
Not that I am aware of :hmm:
Please don't tell me Brian Blessed is involved.
No, thank God. Also Morecambe and Wise are so far in the clear.
There was a big media scandal at the start of it, but the main story is that Jimmy Savile, a light entertainer, died. It eventually came out that he'd been a serial sex abuser involving children as young as 8 up to people as old as 75 which he'd access to as a host of that sort of TV program and through his charity work for, say, the severely disabled, at Broadmoor prison, at various hospitals etc. He used his fame and power in the industry (and some libel lawyers) to shut people up when he was alive. At its peak there were over 400 lines of inquiry with 200 witnesses in numerous different constabularies. A map of Savile investigations:
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That story prompted a lot people to come forward alleging that they'd been abused by Savile or other famous/prominent people abusing their position. So there's Gary Glitter who's a known paedophile who is now being investigated for new offences. DJs like Dave Lee Travis who was convicted for historic allegations sexually assaulting women, as was publicist Max Clifford. Rolf Harris has also been jailed for assaulting young girls and women from the 60s to the 80s.
Related to that there's an investigation which centres on the sexual abuse of boys and young men by, allegedly, MPs and ministers. So far the only confirmed case is Sir Cyril Smith who was an enormously obese Liberal MP from Rochdale. He used his position as governor of a correctional facility for boys to abuse them. There's lots swirling round (including allegations of at least two murders) linked to a guest house in South London.
In both strands of the investigations it seems that people are coming forward who felt they weren't able to in the past, when the offences were committed, and that they're more likely to be believed now. It's all very, very grim.
Here's an excellent (long) piece in the London Review of Books on the Savile strand:
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v34/n21/andrew-ohagan/light-entertainment
I think I remember reading about Gary Glitter too, but it could have been on Languish.
Quote from: Martinus on November 25, 2014, 11:27:36 AM
I think I remember reading about Gary Glitter too, but it could have been on Languish.
Yeah Gary Glitter's been going for ages. After he got done for child porn here he went to, I think, Cuba, then to Cambodia and eventually Vietnam where he got arrested for child abuse. He paid of the girl's parents so they dropped their charges and he got done on a lesser charge and spent some time in prison there. Now he's back in the UK I think.
And now underage sex accusations added to the mix.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-30305435
Hey! Hey! Hey!
I gotta say, on some level I kinda feel sorry for Cosby. Assuming these accusations are true (and it seems more and more likely they are), his entire life is tumbling down in a way that does not even compare to Polanski or Allen (partially because there are so many victims, apparently, and partially because his entire public image - which was quite different and more family friendly than that of Polanski or Allen - is now being destroyed). Having seen his interview (which was published against his will), I don't know if he fully understands his situation yet. But once it hits him, I wouldn't be surprised if he offed himself.
The truth is out and it's as terrible as we thought. :(
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2015/0706/Unsealed-Cosby-admitted-he-obtained-quaaludes-to-drug-young-women
QuoteCosby's lawyers had objected to the release of the material, arguing it would embarrass him. Ultimately, a judge unsealed just a small portion of the deposition.
"The stark contrast between Bill Cosby, the public moralist and Bill Cosby, the subject of serious youngallegations concerning improper (and perhaps criminal) conduct is a matter as to which the AP — and by extension the public — has a significant interest," U.S. District Judge Eduardo Robreno wrote.
Cosby, with his oft-espoused views on topics including childrearing, family life, education and crime, "has voluntarily narrowed the zone of privacy that he is entitled to claim," the judge wrote.
Cosby, who starred as Dr. Cliff Huxtable on "The Cosby Show" from 1984 to 1992, settled Constand's lawsuit under confidential terms in 2006. His lawyers in the Philadelphia case did not immediately return telephone calls seeking comment on Monday. Constand consented to be identified but did not want to comment, her lawyer said.
"This evidence shows a pattern in which defendant 'mentored' naive young women and introduced drugs into the relationship, with and without the woman's knowledge, in order for him to achieve sexual satisfaction," Constand's lawyer, Dolores M. Troiani, argued in court papers.
Cosby, 77, has been accused by more than two dozen women of sexual misconduct in episodes dating back more than four decades. Cosby has never been charged with a crime, and the statute of limitations on most of the accusations has expired.
"If today's report is true, Mr. Cosby admitted under oath 10 years ago sedating women for sexual purposes," said Lisa Bloom, attorney for model Janice Dickinson, who says she was drugged and raped. "Given that, how dare he publicly vilify Ms. Dickinson and accuse her of lying when she tells a very similar story?"
Celebrity attorney Gloria Allred, who is representing several women, said she hopes to use the admission in court cases against the comedian.
Cosby, giving sworn testimony in the lawsuit accusing him of sexual assaulting Constand at his home in Pennsylvania in 2004, said he obtained seven quaalude prescriptions in the 1970s. Constand's lawyer asked if he had kept the sedatives through the 1990s, after they were banned, but was frustrated by objections from Cosby's attorney.
"When you got the quaaludes, was it in your mind that you were going to use these quaaludes for young women that you wanted to have sex with?" Troiani asked.
"Yes," Cosby answered.
"Did you ever give any of these young women the quaaludes without their knowledge?" Troiani asked.
Cosby's lawyer again objected, leading Troiani to petition the federal judge to force Cosby to cooperate.
Cosby later said he gave Constand three half-pills of Benadryl, although Troiani in the documents voices doubt that was the drug involved.
Cosby had fought the AP's efforts to unseal the testimony, with his lawyer arguing that the deposition could reveal details of Cosby's marriage, sex life and prescription drug use.
"It would be terribly embarrassing for this material to come out," lawyer George M. Gowen III argued in June.
He also said the material would "prejudice him in eyes of the jury pool in Massachusetts," where Cosby is fighting defamation lawsuits brought by women who say his representatives smeared them by accusing them of lying.
Robreno, the judge, had temporarily sealed some documents in the Constand lawsuit but never ruled on a final seal before the case was settled. Under federal court rules in Pennsylvania, documents must be unsealed after two years unless a party can show specific harm. The judge ruled that Cosby's potential embarrassment was insufficient.
Robreno asked last month why Cosby was fighting the release of his sworn testimony, given that the accusations in the Constand lawsuit were already public.
"Why would he be embarrassed by his own version of the facts?" the judge said.
Cosby resigned in December from the board of trustees at Temple, where he was the popular face of the Philadelphia school in advertisements, fundraising campaigns and commencement speeches.
Lawyer Gayle Sproul, representing the AP, in court last month called the married Cosby "an icon" who "held himself out as someone who would guide the public in ways of morality."
Troiani, summarizing her evidence, painted a starkly different picture.
Cosby "has evidenced a predilection for sexual contact with women who are unconscious or drugged. His victims are young, 'star struck' and totally trusting of his public persona," Troiani argued.
I'm surprised rape has a statute of limitation of 10 years in the US, given that certain crimes do not appear to have a statute of limitation or that it is very long. :huh:
QuoteCosby "has evidenced a predilection for sexual contact with women who are unconscious or drugged. His victims are young, 'star struck' and totally trusting of his public persona," Troiani argued.
That's an euphemism. That's like saying Ted Bundy had evidenced a predilection for performing medically unnecessary trepanning on young men.
Quote from: Martinus on July 07, 2015, 02:57:13 AM
QuoteCosby "has evidenced a predilection for sexual contact with women who are unconscious or drugged. His victims are young, 'star struck' and totally trusting of his public persona," Troiani argued.
That's an euphemism. That's like saying Ted Bundy had evidenced a predilection for performing medically unnecessary trepanning on young men.
You're getting your Bundy and Dahmer mixed up.
Oh crap, you are right!
Quote from: Martinus on July 07, 2015, 02:55:11 AM
I'm surprised rape has a statute of limitation of 10 years in the US, given that certain crimes do not appear to have a statute of limitation or that it is very long. :huh:
because there are worst thing than being raped. Like drinking a beer while you're only 20yo, for instance.
Quote from: viper37 on July 07, 2015, 10:39:22 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 07, 2015, 02:55:11 AM
I'm surprised rape has a statute of limitation of 10 years in the US, given that certain crimes do not appear to have a statute of limitation or that it is very long. :huh:
because there are worst thing than being raped.
Not if you ask Sansa.
Quote from: Martinus on July 07, 2015, 02:55:11 AM
I'm surprised rape has a statute of limitation of 10 years in the US, given that certain crimes do not appear to have a statute of limitation or that it is very long. :huh:
Goddamn Marty, way to reverse yourself.
QuoteIt's 30 years for murder, 10-20 for other felonies, depending on the type, 5 for misdemeanor. This then gets prolonged (between 5 and 10 years, depending on a type of crime) if during that period proceedings against a person are started.
Only crimes against humanity, war crimes and genocide do not get treated that way. Also for crimes committed by the communist regime, this does not start running until communism ended.
I am surprised by your surprise, to be honest. We got this idea from Germany and France. In fact, I think Anglosaxon legal systems are quite unique in not having this kind of statute of limitations (at least in the West).
Are you a lawyer (I forgot). Judging from the surprise some of you guys often express at pretty universal civil law systems' institutions, it looks like you guys get no comparative legal studies at your law school at all. :huh:
http://languish.org/forums/index.php/topic,2370.25.html
Dang. You have a good memory, Raz.
Quote from: derspiess on July 07, 2015, 12:22:30 PM
Dang. You have a good memory, Raz.
No, he just has a lot of time on his hands.
Quote from: 11B4V on July 07, 2015, 05:47:49 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 07, 2015, 12:22:30 PM
Dang. You have a good memory, Raz.
No, he just has a lot of time on his hands.
Nah, Raz does have a very good memory. He has demonstrated that fact a number of times through the years.
Quote from: Martinus on July 07, 2015, 02:55:11 AM
I'm surprised rape has a statute of limitation of 10 years in the US
You do tend to paint with a broad brush and assume things are true across our entire federal structure fairly often, you know.
Quote
Ten Years or Less
Many jurisdictions have a statute of limitations for ten years or less. California, Colorado, Illinois, Iowa, Montana, Texas and Washington have a ten-year statute of limitations. Maine has an eight-year statute. North Dakota has a seven-year statute while Oregon, Vermont, Arkansas, New Hampshire and Hawaii have a six-year statute of limitations. Connecticut has a five-year statute and Florida has a four-year statute. Minnesota has the shortest statute of limitations of three years.
More than Ten Years
A few states have statutes of limitations that are longer than ten years in duration. For example, Pennsylvania has a twelve-year statute of limitations. Georgia, Massachusetts and Washington, D.C. have fifteen-year statutes of limitations for some forms of rape. Ohio has a 20-year statute of limitation for rape.
I don't really understand the point of what you posted MIM. Your blurb notes that there is something more for 4 for of the 50 states.
Quote from: garbon on July 07, 2015, 07:07:04 PM
I don't really understand the point of what you posted MIM. Your blurb notes that there is something more for 4 for of the 50 states.
I think his point was that not only is saying "rape has a statute of limitations of 10 years in the US" inaccurate, but just the concept that there is a uniform statute of limitations across the US is off-base.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 07, 2015, 12:19:22 PM
Quote from: Martinus on July 07, 2015, 02:55:11 AM
I'm surprised rape has a statute of limitation of 10 years in the US, given that certain crimes do not appear to have a statute of limitation or that it is very long. :huh:
Goddamn Marty, way to reverse yourself.
QuoteIt's 30 years for murder, 10-20 for other felonies, depending on the type, 5 for misdemeanor. This then gets prolonged (between 5 and 10 years, depending on a type of crime) if during that period proceedings against a person are started.
Only crimes against humanity, war crimes and genocide do not get treated that way. Also for crimes committed by the communist regime, this does not start running until communism ended.
I am surprised by your surprise, to be honest. We got this idea from Germany and France. In fact, I think Anglosaxon legal systems are quite unique in not having this kind of statute of limitations (at least in the West).
Are you a lawyer (I forgot). Judging from the surprise some of you guys often express at pretty universal civil law systems' institutions, it looks like you guys get no comparative legal studies at your law school at all. :huh:
http://languish.org/forums/index.php/topic,2370.25.html
What? I think 15-20 years for rape is appropriate. Besides, my surprise here was associated with the fact that, generally, US seems to have much longer statute of limitation periods than Europe, so having only 10 years for rape seems weird. Nothing inconsistent between both posts you quoted.
I know your mental disability precludes you from understanding nuance or not having extremist position on anything, but a sane person can very well think that 10 year statute of limitation for rape is too short and that 30+ years is too long. :huh:
Why is 30 bad and 15 good?
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 07, 2015, 05:54:52 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on July 07, 2015, 05:47:49 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 07, 2015, 12:22:30 PM
Dang. You have a good memory, Raz.
No, he just has a lot of time on his hands.
Nah, Raz does have a very good memory. He has demonstrated that fact a number of times through the years.
I have the unnerving ability to remember entire conversations weeks after they occurred.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 08, 2015, 12:07:16 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 07, 2015, 05:54:52 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on July 07, 2015, 05:47:49 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 07, 2015, 12:22:30 PM
Dang. You have a good memory, Raz.
No, he just has a lot of time on his hands.
Nah, Raz does have a very good memory. He has demonstrated that fact a number of times through the years.
I have the unnerving ability to remember entire conversations weeks after they occurred.
Too bad you have no ability to learn or process anything from them.
Quote from: dps on July 07, 2015, 09:27:58 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 07, 2015, 07:07:04 PM
I don't really understand the point of what you posted MIM. Your blurb notes that there is something more for 4 for of the 50 states.
I think his point was that not only is saying "rape has a statute of limitations of 10 years in the US" inaccurate, but just the concept that there is a uniform statute of limitations across the US is off-base.
Seems like a pointless aside given that Marti's comment was that he thought 10 years was short. Posting a blurb that notes many states are shorter than that and only a handful are longer seems to ignore what Marti was saying in favor of a nitpick.
So.....why did he just come out and admit that yes, he did buy date rape drugs?
Wonder if this could be the start of an American purge of 70s/80s celebrities ala what the UK has recently gone through.
Quote from: Martinus on July 08, 2015, 01:00:04 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 08, 2015, 12:04:24 AM
Why is 30 bad and 15 good?
Are you serious? :huh:
Seems rather arbitrary. If a crime is heinous enough, why have a statute of limitations at all?
Quote from: Tyr on July 08, 2015, 12:37:29 PM
So.....why did he just come out and admit that yes, he did buy date rape drugs?
Wonder if this could be the start of an American purge of 70s/80s celebrities ala what the UK has recently gone through.
He admitted it a while ago, during court testimony. It's now being partially unsealed.
Quote from: Tyr on July 08, 2015, 12:37:29 PM
So.....why did he just come out and admit that yes, he did buy date rape drugs?
Wonder if this could be the start of an American purge of 70s/80s celebrities ala what the UK has recently gone through.
This seems to have come out a bit out of context. From the reports I have heard the admission was made in a law suit some years ago that he obtained the drugs for women who knew they were taking the drug.
The issue is: was Cosby slipping Ludes to ladies who were unaware (that is, using 'em as 'date rape' drugs), or was he just part of the '70s party drug scene and giving 'em to ladies who planned to have sex with him anyway?
The latter is bad, but not the same order of bad as the former.
Quote from: Malthus on July 08, 2015, 02:44:37 PM
The issue is: was Cosby slipping Ludes to ladies who were unaware (that is, using 'em as 'date rape' drugs), or was he just part of the '70s party drug scene and giving 'em to ladies who planned to have sex with him anyway?
The latter is bad, but not the same order of bad as the former.
Well, more to the point, ladies who knew they were taking the drug and planned to have sex with him while under the influence of the drug.
I'll never buy Jello pudding again.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 08, 2015, 02:57:26 PM
Quote from: Malthus on July 08, 2015, 02:44:37 PM
The issue is: was Cosby slipping Ludes to ladies who were unaware (that is, using 'em as 'date rape' drugs), or was he just part of the '70s party drug scene and giving 'em to ladies who planned to have sex with him anyway?
The latter is bad, but not the same order of bad as the former.
Well, more to the point, ladies who knew they were taking the drug and planned to have sex with him while under the influence of the drug.
Yup.
That's one of the things ludes were for, or at least, so I've heard - by the time I was old enough, they were a rarity among the people I knew at least. Never had any myself.
The media is painting this revelation as proof positive that Cosby is an evil rapemonger. :hmm:
Quote from: derspiess on July 08, 2015, 03:01:57 PM
I'll never buy Jello pudding again.
I want Jello 1-2-3 back!
Quote from: Caliga on July 08, 2015, 03:19:21 PM
The media is painting this revelation as proof positive that Cosby is an evil rapemonger. :hmm:
Well, he may well be. But using Ludes for fucking was pretty common in the '70s, among the (non-rapey) party set - or at least, so I have heard.
http://www.vulture.com/2015/07/bill-cosby-wants-his-hush-money-back.html?mid=facebook_nymag
QuoteEstablished Awful Person Bill Cosby Wants His Hush Money Back
Bill Cosby is now asking a court for "sanctions" against Andrea Constand because she and her lawyers "are intent on reneging on what they promised — confidentiality and finality," reports the New York Daily News. Constand originally filed a civil suit against Cosby in 2005 after the Pennsylvania D.A. declined to pursue criminal charges. While they eventually settled in an undisclosed agreement, court documents obtained by the AP earlier this July contain an admission from Cosby that he had sex with women after giving them quaaludes. Cosby accuses Constand and her lawyers of helping the New York Times obtain the full deposition, thus resulting in a "colossal breach" of their confidentiality agreement. As a result, Constand may have to "disgorge some or all of the money paid to her by defendant as part of the settlement."
In the filing, Cosby also refers to quaaludes as "disco biscuits" and argues that the extramarital affairs and drugs were just a part of the times. "There are countless tales of celebrities, music stars and wealthy socialites in the 1970s willingly using Quaaludes for recreational purposes and during consensual sex," the filing states. The lawyer for Therese Serignese, who was a Jane Doe in Constand's original suit, said, "It's laughable that the Cosby team is going to rely on the 'sex, drugs and rock and roll' defense as a response to the abuse allegations of the women."
In other news, the California Supreme Court ruled that Judy Huth and Gloria Allred's civil suit alleging Cosby sexually assaulted Huth when she was a 15-year-old girl at the Playboy Mansion in 1974 can move ahead.
1.: If true that he wants his money back: not helping your public standing here, Bill.
2.: Why is a 15 year old girl at the Playboy Mansion? :unsure:
Quote from: Syt on July 23, 2015, 09:29:09 AM
2.: Why is a 15 year old girl at the Playboy Mansion? :unsure:
it was the 70s. Sex, drugs, and minors too, apparently.
And now for an alternative point of view:
QuoteKaukab Siddique, a 72-year-old tenured professor at taxpayer-funded Lincoln University in Pennsylvania, has posted anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, anti-gay and anti-woman comments on his Facebook page that are so offensive that his employer has distanced itself from them, The Daily Beast reports.
Siddique was criticized in 2010 for publicly denying the Holocaust, the Daily Beast noted, and most recently has given his opinion of the women who have accused comedian Bill Cosby of sexual assault.
He wrote that he is not surprised by the Cosby allegations since, "Most non-Muslims behave like he did and he also had lots of money. ... What I can't understand is why it took so long for the violated women to come out against him."
He offered five suggestions, including that Cosby "paid them off," "Many women are sluts," "American women are slaves of rich men," "Random sex is quite acceptable in America," and "They don't have families like Muslims do who would take revenge for rape."
http://www.newsmax.com/US/Kaukab-Siddique-tenured-professor-anti-Semitic/2015/07/22/id/658484/ (http://www.newsmax.com/US/Kaukab-Siddique-tenured-professor-anti-Semitic/2015/07/22/id/658484/)
:lol:
What is he professor of?
Quote"Don't be scared of these dirty Jewish Zionist White Supremacist thugs."
Easier said than done. :(
Quote from: Savonarola on July 24, 2015, 12:12:24 PM
And now for an alternative point of view:
It is good there is still room for diversity in modern Academia.
QuoteIn his 2010 post, he called on people "to defeat, to destroy, to dismantle Israel, if possible by peaceful means."
:lol:
Quote from: Razgovory on July 08, 2015, 12:40:09 PM
Seems rather arbitrary. If a crime is heinous enough, why have a statute of limitations at all?
Like that Auschwitz prison guard that just got sentenced to 4 years.
Damn...now that's a cover with impact.
http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/07/bill-cosbys-accusers-speak-out.html
Does he ever sexually harass black women? :hmm:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 27, 2015, 01:18:39 AM
Damn...now that's a cover with impact.
http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/07/bill-cosbys-accusers-speak-out.html
The link doesn't seem to work.
Quote from: Martinus on July 27, 2015, 03:02:08 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 27, 2015, 01:18:39 AM
Damn...now that's a cover with impact.
http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/07/bill-cosbys-accusers-speak-out.html
The link doesn't seem to work.
Hmm... that's odd
Here's what it looks like.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.dnaindia.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2F2015%2F07%2F27%2F359432-new-york-bill-cosby-cover.jpg&hash=7cd81d84e00232dc0d8350c13011f2b13258bedb)
Is that Weird Al, second row, third from left? :hmm:
Quote from: Caliga on July 27, 2015, 08:08:18 AM
Is that Weird Al, second row, third from left? :hmm:
Yes. :lol:
:yuk:
Quote from: The Brain on July 27, 2015, 09:56:39 AM
:yuk:
Remember, most of these happened 20 or 30 years ago. ;)
Quote from: Martinus on July 27, 2015, 08:28:03 AM
Quote from: Caliga on July 27, 2015, 08:08:18 AM
Is that Weird Al, second row, third from left? :hmm:
Yes. :lol:
Hm, maybe that explains why he's living with a hernia. :)
Quote from: Martinus on July 27, 2015, 03:02:08 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 27, 2015, 01:18:39 AM
Damn...now that's a cover with impact.
http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/07/bill-cosbys-accusers-speak-out.html
The link doesn't seem to work.
Apparently Nymag is subject to a DDOS attack, apparently because of this cover.
DAMN YOU COZ :mad:
Quote from: Barrister on July 27, 2015, 12:38:14 PM
Quote from: Martinus on July 27, 2015, 03:02:08 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 27, 2015, 01:18:39 AM
Damn...now that's a cover with impact.
http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/07/bill-cosbys-accusers-speak-out.html
The link doesn't seem to work.
Apparently Nymag is subject to a DDOS attack, apparently because of this cover.
The person who claimed responsibility for the attack said it wasn't because of the cover or story.
He's been charged. So fucked up :(
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bill-cosby-scandal/bill-cosby-criminally-charged-2004-sex-assault-case-freed-1m-n487876
QuoteBill Cosby Criminally Charged in 2004 Sex-Assault Case, Freed on $1M Bail
by Erik Ortiz and Tom Winter
Embattled comedian Bill Cosby was free on bail Wednesday on a felony sexual assault charge — facing the first criminal charge against him after a series of rape accusations began mounting last year.
Cosby appeared in a suburban Philadelphia courtroom and was ordered to surrender his passport after posting 10 percent in cash of a $1 million bond.
Earlier, the Montgomery County District Attorney's Office announced it had filed an aggravated indecent assault charge against Cosby stemming from an alleged 2004 incident involving an ex-Temple University employee.
The powerful entertainer arrived at magistrate court wearing a hooded gray sweater and holding a cane. He stumbled slightly after exiting an SUV and had to be held up by two people. He made no comment as he entered and later exited the building.
A preliminary hearing was set for Jan. 14.
"Upon examination of all of the evidence, today we are able to seek justice on behalf of Mr. Cosby's victim," Montgomery County District Attorney-elect Kevin Steele said at an initial news conference announcing the charge.
If found guilty on the sexual assault charge, a second-degree felony, the once-beloved TV father figure faces up to 10 years in prison and would have to register as a sex offender.
Andrea Constand, the former Temple University employee, told police Cosby drugged and violated her at his home in Cheltenham Township, near Philadelphia, in January 2004. She was identified in the affidavit of probable cause against Cosby.
Constand, 42, was not specifically named as the victim during the news conference, but Steele said that the woman "has indicated that she is willing to cooperate with us going forward."
The 78-year-old "Cosby Show" star previously said under oath that he had consensual sexual contact with Constand. But a former district attorney declined to charge Cosby in 2005.
The following year, Constand settled a civil lawsuit against Cosby on confidential terms.
Montgomery County prosecutors had until a January 2016 deadline to file criminal charges against Cosby because of the 12-year statute of limitations for felony sex assault.
More women came forward last year to claim the married comedian drugged and raped them or touched them inappropriately in past decades. The over 40 accusers have included aspiring actresses and supermodels Beverly Johnson and Janice Dickinson.
A lawyer for Dickinson said news of Cosby's arrest was "a highly significant chapter in his accusers' long journey toward justice."
"Though he is a very wealthy and famous celebrity, Mr. Cosby should be subject to the same criminal and civil laws as everyone else," said Dickinson's attorney, Lisa Bloom, who is also a legal analyst for NBC News.
Cosby has not previously been charged with a crime. His lawyer has called the allegations "ridiculous" and said it's "completely illogical" that no one would have made reports to police.
Cosby's attorneys on Wednesday called the criminal charge baseless.
"The charge by the Montgomery County District Attorney's office came as no surprise, filed 12 years after the alleged incident and coming on the heels of a hotly contested election for this county's DA during which this case was made the focal point," Cosby's attorneys said.
"Make no mistake, we intend to mount a vigorous defense against this unjustified charge and we expect that Mr. Cosby will be exonerated by a court of law," the attorneys said.
Steele recently won an election against Bruce Castor, the ex-prosecutor who declined in 2005 to charge Cosby, and the case became an issue in the campaign, The Associated Press reported.
Steele said Cosby knew the victim when she was the coach of Temple University's women's basketball team. She considered him "her mentor and her friend," Steele added.
But after looking at new evidence presented earlier this summer, Cosby had twice made unwanted sexual advances toward the woman, according to prosecutors.
Steele said during one incident, Cosby urged her to "take pills that he provided to her" and to drink wine. The effect "made her unable to move or reject his advances," he added.
A transcript of Cosby's deposition in the Constand case, first reported by The New York Times in July, revealed that the comedian acknowledged he had reached into her pants and fondled her.
"I don't hear her say anything. And I don't feel her say anything. And so I continue and I go into the area that is somewhere between permission and rejection. I am not stopped," he said, according to the transcript.
He claims she had groped her in return, but she ultimately rejected him when he tried to have continued sexual contact.
"The victim did not consent to any of these acts and reported that she was unable to move or speak and felt 'frozen' and 'paralyzed,'" the district attorney's office said.
In the deposition, Cosby says he gave Constand three half-pills of the cold and allergy medicine Benadryl.
Steele said Wednesday that he gave the victim "three blue pills," but could not say whether they were Quaaludes, as investigators have previously noted. Only Cosby can truly know what they were, he added.
The prosecutor acknowledged that his office acted now because time was running out to charge Cosby in the case.
"Reopening this case was our duty as law enforcement officers with a sworn obligation to uphold our Constitution and to uphold the law," Steele said.
Constand, who now works as a massage therapist in her native Canada, is "gratified" with the response she was receiving Wednesday, her attorney told NBC News.
"She is receiving numerous communications from women with heart-wrenching accounts of their own experiences," Dolores Troiani said. "Naturally it is troubling that it took until the 11th hour for this day to arrive. She is hopeful that her patience has encouraged other victims to come forward."
The charges add to the towering list of legal problems facing the actor, including defamation and sex-abuse lawsuits filed in Boston, Los Angeles and Pennsylvania. But as for criminal chargers, many of the alleged assaults date back decades, and the statute of limitations has expired in nearly every case.
Cosby's lawyers this month said they will fight an attempt to require his wife, Camille, to give a sworn deposition in a defamation lawsuit filed by seven women who have accused him of sexually assaulting them decades ago.
In December, Cosby filed a countersuit against those seven accusers, accusing them of defamation and claiming they purposefully derailed an upcoming television opportunity.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 30, 2015, 06:40:48 PM
He's been charged. So fucked up :(
Are you on his side in this? Because the choice of words and smileys seems to imply that. :hmm:
Quote from: Martinus on December 31, 2015, 03:34:57 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 30, 2015, 06:40:48 PM
He's been charged. So fucked up :(
Are you on his side in this? Because the choice of words and smileys seems to imply that. :hmm:
No, I worded that poorly, I'm not on his side. I mean the whole situation and what he's done is fucked up.
Apparently he won a defamation suit
Good riddance.
QuoteUS comedian Bill Cosby has been found guilty of three counts of sexual assault, each of which carries a potential 10 years in prison.
Quote
(CNN)After the guilty verdict (https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/26/us/bill-cosby-trial/index.html) was announced Thursday against Bill Cosby, the TV icon shouted at the prosecutor in the courtroom.
The 80-year-old comedian's outburst, which happened after the jury was dismissed, came in response to Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, District Attorney Kevin Steele's argument that Cosby's $1 million bail should be revoked, because, Steele said, Cosby might flee anywhere in the world.
Steele said Cosby had a private plane and that no dollar amount would be able to ensure his appearance.Cosby stood up at one point and yelled at Steele: "He doesn't have a private plane, you asshole."
Judge Steven O'Neill did not revoke the bail, and cited Cosby's age and his appearance at every hearing for the past 2½ years as reasons. "I'm not simply going to lock him up right now," O'Neill said.
"You are making a very big deal of something where there is a very high bail and he has appeared at every appearance," O'Neill told Steele.The judge said Cosby should not leave his Pennsylvania home or the state. O'Neill also ordered that arrangements be made for a GPS tracking device for Cosby.Cosby faces up to 10 years in prison on each count, but would likely serve them concurrently. A sentencing hearing has not yet been scheduled.
CNN's Jean Casarez, Aaron Cooper and Eric Levenson contributed to this report.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 24, 2014, 02:30:03 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 24, 2014, 01:14:44 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 24, 2014, 01:13:45 PM
Women everywhere need to learn to say no and leave. Not just say no & then suffer in silence.
Umm, most of the allegations are that he drugged them. So "saying no and leaving" wasn't much of an option.
At the current rythm this is going, 50% of women alive today will have been raped in their lifetime.
Rape is rape but at some point you gotta ask did all the man doing the raping realized they were raping someone?
What the actual fuck...
:mad:
You going to blame houses for being too nice next?
Bill Cosby's conviction overturned.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/bill-cosby-overturned-1.6086119
Quote from: Barrister on June 30, 2021, 12:32:38 PM
Bill Cosby's conviction overturned.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/bill-cosby-overturned-1.6086119
QuoteThe court said Wednesday that it found an agreement with a previous prosecutor prevented him from being charged in the case.
So, not exactly exoneration. He still did it.
QuoteHe has vowed to serve his full 10-year sentence rather than acknowledge any remorse over the 2004 encounter.
Yeah. So nothing changes I guess.
Quote from: Valmy on June 30, 2021, 12:40:46 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 30, 2021, 12:32:38 PM
Bill Cosby's conviction overturned.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/bill-cosby-overturned-1.6086119
QuoteThe court said Wednesday that it found an agreement with a previous prosecutor prevented him from being charged in the case.
That reporting is not really accurate. It makes it seems like Cosby entered into a plea agreement. He didn't.
In fact, there was NO AGREEMENT OF ANY KIND. The prior prosecutor just gave a press release saying he wouldn't prosecute and fobbed off the victim by saying his goal wwas to help her civil suit.
The Court's opinion doesn't make a ton of sense. There is an assumption that the non-proc press release meant that Cosby could not invoke the 5th amendment right against self-incrimination. There is no legal analysis or citation of law for that. It's just wrong. He absolutely could have invoked the 5th. The plaintiff might have contested it but he could have invoked no question. And more likely than not it would have been upheld on these facts.
What happened is Cosby's and his lawyers made a calculation that it was worth running the risk waiving 5th amendment rights in the civil depo given the DA's press release.
And yes the DA who issued the stupid press release was the same idiot that represented Trump at his least Senate impeachment trial.
Bill Cosby walked out of prison, got on a bus, and rode it to a long rock wall. Next to a big oak, he found a letter. He is following it to Mexico where he will meet Epstein working on his boat.
Jonathan Turley came out and said the court is "clearly correct" - so we have an additional indicator that the court got it completely wrong.
Other shoes already dropping fast
QuoteThe attorney of Ghislaine Maxwell, the associate of deceased convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, has said that the case against her should be thrown on on the same legal grounds as those used to free accused rapist Bill Cosby.
"She should not have to fight her case at trial and her case should be thrown out, just like Cosby's has been, because prosecutors promised Epstein when he pleaded guilty that they would not prosecute her," Maxwell's appellate counsel, David Oscar Markus, wrote in a Daily News op-ed published Wednesday.
Markus' comment refers to a 2007 plea deal that Epstein struck with federal prosecutors in Miami. The deal stated that, in exchange for Epstein's pleading guilty to soliciting prostitution (rather than child sex trafficking), the U.S. attorney's office would "not institute any criminal charges against potential co-conspirators of Epstein."
From https://www.newsweek.com/bill-cosby-ruling-shows-why-ghislaine-maxwell-should-freed-her-lawyer-says-1605828
Fortunately there is hope that not every state supreme court will be as confused as PA is.
What are the chances that Cosby goes back to prison?
I think if I was Bill Cosby I'd consider taking this opportunity to move to a country without an extradition treaty, and possibly as much money as I could out of US bank accounts (possibly into cash).
In before he gets offered Russian citizenship by Putin.
Quote from: Jacob on July 01, 2021, 10:19:27 AM
What are the chances that Cosby goes back to prison?
You'd have to look at the statute of limitations that apply to all the other victims and incidents.
Probably not good.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on July 01, 2021, 12:31:55 PM
Quote from: Jacob on July 01, 2021, 10:19:27 AM
What are the chances that Cosby goes back to prison?
You'd have to look at the statute of limitations that apply to all the other victims and incidents.
Probably not good.
As I understand it, he was brought up on charges in the final days of the statute of limitations. So next to none for the current spate of women (all 40+ of them) who accused him.
Can the state appeal to the US Supreme Court, or is the state court as high as it goes?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 01, 2021, 09:16:50 PM
Can the state appeal to the US Supreme Court, or is the state court as high as it goes?
The answer, as usual, depends on why the state court made their decision. If it rested purely on an interpretation of the Pennsylvania constitution or law, then the Pennsylvania Supreme Court is the ultimate authority. If it rested on an interpretation of the US Constitution (or if the relevant PA constitutional provision has been interpreted previously by PA courts as "same as the US Constitution") then it could go to the Supreme Court of the United States. I haven't gotten sufficiently into the weeds of the decision to tell you, but the odds are no, it can't be appealed.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 01, 2021, 09:16:50 PM
Can the state appeal to the US Supreme Court, or is the state court as high as it goes?
On what grounds could they appeal the PA Supreme Court's ruling on PA state law? Governments don't have rights protected by the US Constitution.
Quote from: ulmont on July 01, 2021, 10:20:44 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 01, 2021, 09:16:50 PM
Can the state appeal to the US Supreme Court, or is the state court as high as it goes?
The answer, as usual, depends on why the state court made their decision. If it rested purely on an interpretation of the Pennsylvania constitution or law, then the Pennsylvania Supreme Court is the ultimate authority. If it rested on an interpretation of the US Constitution (or if the relevant PA constitutional provision has been interpreted previously by PA courts as "same as the US Constitution") then it could go to the Supreme Court of the United States. I haven't gotten sufficiently into the weeds of the decision to tell you, but the odds are no, it can't be appealed.
If there was a situation where a State's Constitution conflicts with a amendment to the US Constitution, or with a new Federal law, is that up to the US Supreme Court to rule on it?
A state constitution can provide for greater procedural protections then the federal constitution but not less.
It's hard to say to what extent the PA ruling for Cosby was based on state vs federal law because the opinion is a real mess of legal draftsmanship and the reasoning is unclear. The core basis of the opinion seems to be the principle of promissory estoppel - which is a contract law idea governed by state law - but the alleged promise is significant because of its effect on Cosby's federal constitutional rights under the 5th amendment.
If a state conviction is overturned by an appeals court, the state can appeal that up to the highest court of the state without creating double jeopardy problems. However, if the state's highest court rules against the prosecution, I don't know if the state can appeal to the USSC, even if it involves a question of federal law. A defendant in the analogous situation could go to the federal system on a writ of habeas or under some circumstances for directly to the Supreme Court but I don't know if the state can.