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http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/new-york-americas-unhappiest-city-study-article-1.1877204
QuoteThe National Bureau of Economic Research says New York is the unhappiest city in he U.S. Pittsburgh, Louisville, Milwaukee and Detroit follow.
New York, New York's little town blues aren't melting away.
It's just the opposite, according to a study released by the National Bureau of Economic Research that says New York is the unhappiest city in the U.S.
New York, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Milwaukee and Detroit are, in that order, America's least happy cities. Survey data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention asked respondents: "In general, how satisfied are you with your life?" Researchers then tweaked that data for factors like race, education, marital status and family size.
"Our research indicates that people care about more than happiness alone, so other factors may encourage them to stay in a city despite their unhappiness," UBC researcher Joshua Gottlieb said in the report.
"Researchers and policymakers should not consider an increase in reported happiness as an overriding objective," he added.
The city that's all smiles is Richmond, Va., followed by jovial metro areas Norfolk, Va.; Washington; Raleigh-Durham, N.C.; and Atlanta, Ga.
Gothamites aren't buying this sob story. New York's population is currently 8.4 million, an all-time high.
Just ask new kid on the block Jaclyn Minker, 22, who moved to the Upper East Side this summer.
"There's nothing I can't do in New York City," said Minker, who works at a startup company in Brooklyn.
"If happiness is doing what I love, when I want to do it, New York City must be a happy place. There is such variation and uniqueness in each neighborhood that I visit and person that I meet and that makes me happy to live here," she adds.
For everyone else, if you can be unhappy here, you can be unhappy anywhere.
Not surprising.
Garbon you should turn this around for the Big Apple, maybe think about leaving the place. :P
Its a shithole. Of course its denizens are unhappy.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 25, 2014, 05:01:16 PM
Its a shithole. Of course its denizens are unhappy.
:rolleyes:
I blame the gays.
And the blacks.
No way is it the wealth disparity.
The only Goddamned useful things about NYC are that it votes Democratic in federal elections and you can blow it up in movies. Which are largely made by Hollywood in Canada.
It's the most populous city in the country, by far. Of course it's going to be the unhappiest--there are simply more people there to be unhappy.
Quote from: dps on July 25, 2014, 11:46:12 PM
It's the most populous city in the country, by far. Of course it's going to be the unhappiest--there are simply more people there to be unhappy.
Sure, but one presumes they're talking about per capita unhappiness. :sleep:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 25, 2014, 11:49:33 PM
Quote from: dps on July 25, 2014, 11:46:12 PM
It's the most populous city in the country, by far. Of course it's going to be the unhappiest--there are simply more people there to be unhappy.
Sure, but one presumes they're talking about per capita unhappiness. :sleep:
Well, yeah, but to confirm that I'd have had to actually read the article in the OP.
Quote from: Tyr on July 25, 2014, 11:21:08 PM
I blame the gays.
And the blacks.
No way is it the wealth disparity.
I can always count on you to post something dumber then I can even think of.
Louisville doesn't seem particularly 'unhappy' to me. But I try to avoid the poors... maybe they're unusually unhappy, I dunno.
Quote from: Caliga on July 26, 2014, 08:17:06 PM
Louisville doesn't seem particularly 'unhappy' to me. But I try to avoid the poors... maybe they're unusually unhappy, I dunno.
Because people generally just walk around with their emotional state on their sleeves. :P
Quote from: Ideologue on July 25, 2014, 11:23:34 PM
The only Goddamned useful things about NYC are that it votes Democratic in federal elections and you can blow it up in movies. Which are largely made by Hollywood in Canada.
You should move there. :)
:o
Something is fishy about this if Richmond, a city I know pretty well, is supposed to be the "happiest" city in the country.
Madison, Wisconsin would probably take my vote for happiest, looking from the outside. Maybe San Luis Obispo.
Quote from: grumbler on July 26, 2014, 10:02:07 PM
Something is fishy about this if Richmond, a city I know pretty well, is supposed to be the "happiest" city in the country.
Yeah, that struck me as strange, too. Not that I can legitimately claim to know Richmond well, but I have been there a few times, and at least on a superficial level, it's one of the most depressing places I've visited.
Quote from: grumbler on July 26, 2014, 10:02:07 PM
Something is fishy about this if Richmond, a city I know pretty well, is supposed to be the "happiest" city in the country.
Madison, Wisconsin would probably take my vote for happiest, looking from the outside. Maybe San Luis Obispo.
Well to some degree I think happiness is about expectations. I don't know anyone who expects to be happy after moving to Richmond. But NYC is still romanticized, a lot of neurotic / gay / artsy / loser type people intentionally migrate to NYC from all over the country because they believe that is where their professional / artistic / gay dreams will come true. There's a big discrepancy between expectations and reality. When they actually move there they find that they don't get to live in the trendy neighborhoods because it costs about 8x what they earn in a month to sublet a cot in the kitchen of a 1 BR apartment from the 3 roommates who share the rest of the place; so instead they end up exiled to one of the nasty boroughs and it's basically like a bigger version of Cleveland at that point.
Also:
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Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on July 26, 2014, 11:01:22 PM
Quote from: grumbler on July 26, 2014, 10:02:07 PM
Something is fishy about this if Richmond, a city I know pretty well, is supposed to be the "happiest" city in the country.
Madison, Wisconsin would probably take my vote for happiest, looking from the outside. Maybe San Luis Obispo.
Well to some degree I think happiness is about expectations. I don't know anyone who expects to be happy after moving to Richmond. But NYC is still romanticized, a lot of neurotic / gay / artsy / loser type people intentionally migrate to NYC from all over the country because they believe that is where their professional / artistic / gay dreams will come true. There's a big discrepancy between expectations and reality. When they actually move there they find that they don't get to live in the trendy neighborhoods because it costs about 8x what they earn in a month to sublet a cot in the kitchen of a 1 BR apartment from the 3 roommates who share the rest of the place; so instead they end up exiled to one of the nasty boroughs and it's basically like a bigger version of Cleveland at that point.
There is truth in that though your examples are a bit extreme.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 26, 2014, 12:05:51 AM
Quote from: Tyr on July 25, 2014, 11:21:08 PM
I blame the gays.
And the blacks.
No way is it the wealth disparity.
I can always count on you to post something dumber then I can even think of.
And I can always count on you to post a completely irrelevant reply that is not a reply.
If you're right Squeeze, all those New Yorkers need to do to increase their happiness is move upstate.
Quote from: garbon on July 26, 2014, 11:48:02 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on July 26, 2014, 11:01:22 PM
Quote from: grumbler on July 26, 2014, 10:02:07 PM
Something is fishy about this if Richmond, a city I know pretty well, is supposed to be the "happiest" city in the country.
Madison, Wisconsin would probably take my vote for happiest, looking from the outside. Maybe San Luis Obispo.
Well to some degree I think happiness is about expectations. I don't know anyone who expects to be happy after moving to Richmond. But NYC is still romanticized, a lot of neurotic / gay / artsy / loser type people intentionally migrate to NYC from all over the country because they believe that is where their professional / artistic / gay dreams will come true. There's a big discrepancy between expectations and reality. When they actually move there they find that they don't get to live in the trendy neighborhoods because it costs about 8x what they earn in a month to sublet a cot in the kitchen of a 1 BR apartment from the 3 roommates who share the rest of the place; so instead they end up exiled to one of the nasty boroughs and it's basically like a bigger version of Cleveland at that point.
There is truth in that though your examples are a bit extreme.
Ya think there was maybe some exaggeration for comic effect? :lol:
That all sounds reasonable, OvB, and maybe the counter-intuitive nature of what makes for a "happy city" is the real story here.
Quote from: Tyr on July 27, 2014, 01:50:05 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 26, 2014, 12:05:51 AM
Quote from: Tyr on July 25, 2014, 11:21:08 PM
I blame the gays.
And the blacks.
No way is it the wealth disparity.
I can always count on you to post something dumber then I can even think of.
And I can always count on you to post a completely irrelevant reply that is not a reply.
Okay, here's a more relevant reply. You're an idiot. Wealth disparity is actually worse in some of the happy places. For instance the city with the worst disparity is Atlanta, which is listed as one of the happy places. New York city has 13th worst wealth disparity and Richmond is 14th.
http://www.bloomberg.com/visual-data/best-and-worst/most-income-inequality-us-cities
Quote from: grumbler on July 26, 2014, 10:02:07 PM
Maybe San Luis Obispo.
They're not too happy out there now; talking to my uncle out there, the drought is turning Wine Country into Raisin Country. Hard times.
I'd move out there in a heartbeat, but no real jobs.
Quote from: Ideologue on July 26, 2014, 09:45:34 PM
:o
Think about it...
Tons of vegetarians.
Tons of asians.
Tons of liberals.
Tons of atheists.
I think you don't like to cook, and the place has a zillion restaurants. Many if not most have vegetarian options; more than a few cater to vegetarians.
I think New York being expensive is a bit overdone. A part of it is probably because out of towners drive into manhattan and pay $50 to park like dumbasses. Rent is expensive, but you don't need a car, and public transportation is world class. I think it is cheaper than London, Paris, Rome, or Tokyo.
New York City is awesome and I'd be happy to move there. :)
You can't just dismiss the fact that rent is expensive. It's really fucking expensive. It's so expensive that it's the norm rather than the exception to live with your roommates when you're in your 20ies.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 27, 2014, 09:22:58 AM
Quote from: Tyr on July 27, 2014, 01:50:05 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 26, 2014, 12:05:51 AM
Quote from: Tyr on July 25, 2014, 11:21:08 PM
I blame the gays.
And the blacks.
No way is it the wealth disparity.
I can always count on you to post something dumber then I can even think of.
And I can always count on you to post a completely irrelevant reply that is not a reply.
Okay, here's a more relevant reply. You're an idiot. Wealth disparity is actually worse in some of the happy places. For instance the city with the worst disparity is Atlanta, which is listed as one of the happy places. New York city has 13th worst wealth disparity and Richmond is 14th.
http://www.bloomberg.com/visual-data/best-and-worst/most-income-inequality-us-cities
As Otto says I doubt they have the expectations of New York however. Less people coming in from outside too I would imagine.
The rent is too damn high!
Quote from: Tyr on July 27, 2014, 06:37:41 PM
As Otto says I doubt they have the expectations of New York however. Less people coming in from outside too I would imagine.
Richmond residents have understood since their childhood that they will get shit on in this world, and have made peace with that, and in that way found happiness.
Yeah, it's a lot harder to do it as an adult. Now quit trying to trick me into dying in NYC.
Richmond seems nice to me. :hmm:
New York, New York is a hell of a town!
The sky is brown and the water is brown!
I can't imagine anything more maddening, cool, nerve wracking and awesome than living in NYC.
Quote from: Ideologue on July 27, 2014, 07:31:29 PM
Yeah, it's a lot harder to do it as an adult. Now quit trying to trick me into dying in NYC.
Why you have a lot tying you to SC?
Quote from: DGuller on July 27, 2014, 05:35:46 PM
You can't just dismiss the fact that rent is expensive. It's really fucking expensive. It's so expensive that it's the norm rather than the exception to live with your roommates when you're in your 20ies.
Ok? I mean that doesn't sound so crazy with adolescence continuing through the 20s these days.
Quote from: garbon on July 27, 2014, 09:41:21 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on July 27, 2014, 07:31:29 PM
Yeah, it's a lot harder to do it as an adult. Now quit trying to trick me into dying in NYC.
Why you have a lot tying you to SC?
Yeah, the only job that's ever paid me a living wage, that doesn't exist anymore in NYC (or, if I were to get licensed, at great expense, would effectively pay less).
I was very happy in NYC, and I hope to return one day.
That said, I wouldn't do it unless I was on something like 4k per month.
That's not very much. Or do you mean after-tax?
Quote from: Ideologue on July 28, 2014, 02:01:52 AM
That's not very much. Or do you mean after-tax?
Yes, net.
I lived on 2,5k a month when I was a student there, would rather not do it again though.
Quote from: celedhring on July 28, 2014, 02:15:43 AM
I lived on 2,5k a month when I was a student there, would rather not do it again though.
That makes no sense to the "move-somewhere-with-no-money-and-no-job-prospects" crowd.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 28, 2014, 09:11:49 AM
Quote from: celedhring on July 28, 2014, 02:15:43 AM
I lived on 2,5k a month when I was a student there, would rather not do it again though.
That makes no sense to the "move-somewhere-with-no-money-and-no-job-prospects" crowd.
Like I did?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 28, 2014, 09:11:49 AM
Quote from: celedhring on July 28, 2014, 02:15:43 AM
I lived on 2,5k a month when I was a student there, would rather not do it again though.
That makes no sense to the "move-somewhere-with-no-money-and-no-job-prospects" crowd.
It is truly a wonder that this continent ever got populated.
It's the Mets fans dragging the numbers down.
Quote from: alfred russel on July 28, 2014, 09:26:06 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 28, 2014, 09:11:49 AM
Quote from: celedhring on July 28, 2014, 02:15:43 AM
I lived on 2,5k a month when I was a student there, would rather not do it again though.
That makes no sense to the "move-somewhere-with-no-money-and-no-job-prospects" crowd.
It is truly a wonder that this continent ever got populated.
The Pilgrims didn't pay 2000$/month for a cockroach infested basement in Brooklyn, I'm sure.
Quote from: garbon on July 28, 2014, 09:15:25 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 28, 2014, 09:11:49 AM
Quote from: celedhring on July 28, 2014, 02:15:43 AM
I lived on 2,5k a month when I was a student there, would rather not do it again though.
That makes no sense to the "move-somewhere-with-no-money-and-no-job-prospects" crowd.
Like I did?
Save it, Cunty McCuntstanford. I don't need your twinkletoed bullshit.
If you do it and you're still unhappy, then you know that the problem is you.
Quote from: celedhring on July 28, 2014, 10:36:19 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on July 28, 2014, 09:26:06 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 28, 2014, 09:11:49 AM
Quote from: celedhring on July 28, 2014, 02:15:43 AM
I lived on 2,5k a month when I was a student there, would rather not do it again though.
That makes no sense to the "move-somewhere-with-no-money-and-no-job-prospects" crowd.
It is truly a wonder that this continent ever got populated.
The Pilgrims didn't pay 2000$/month for a cockroach infested basement in Brooklyn, I'm sure.
Why would someone do that? I don't pay that much (yet) and live in a nice above ground apartment in the village.
When I first graduated college and moved to Atlanta, I got a 2 bedroom 1 bath apartment in a decent area of town that now rents for $1750 a month (I just checked what it is currently going for). If garbon pays less than $2k, and really doesn't need a car, that really highlights that I should have been in NYC (I much rather would have had a 1 bedroom in NYC than a 2 bedroom in Atlanta--even if I did install in the 2nd bedroom a pool table and dart board and a generally sweet setup).
Plus you get paid more in NYC.
Fuck, opportunity lost. :(
Quote from: garbon on July 28, 2014, 11:05:15 AM
Why would someone do that? I don't pay that much (yet) and live in a nice above ground apartment in the village.
Wait you have an apartment in the village for less than $2000 a month?
I knew 'Friends' was a documentary!
Quote from: celedhring on July 28, 2014, 10:36:19 AM
The Pilgrims didn't pay 2000$/month for a cockroach infested basement in Brooklyn, I'm sure.
True, but I've picked up a vibe from CdM and Ide that indicates they may not be willing to make a dangerous multi month journey on a rickety rat infested boat in order to become farmers in a land where they will have to build their own houses and the natives sometimes try to kill them.
Quote from: Valmy on July 28, 2014, 11:18:54 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 28, 2014, 11:05:15 AM
Why would someone do that? I don't pay that much (yet) and live in a nice above ground apartment in the village.
Wait you have an apartment in the village for less than $2000 a month?
I knew 'Friends' was a documentary!
My apartment is nowhere near that size but yes, I've a 1 bedroom in the village. With my annual rent increase it will soon be that amount, but it wasn't when I got it 3 years ago.
Quote from: alfred russel on July 28, 2014, 11:19:46 AM
Quote from: celedhring on July 28, 2014, 10:36:19 AM
The Pilgrims didn't pay 2000$/month for a cockroach infested basement in Brooklyn, I'm sure.
True, but I've picked up a vibe from CdM and Ide that indicates they may not be willing to make a dangerous multi month journey on a rickety rat infested boat in order to become farmers in a land where they will have to build their own houses and the natives sometimes try to kill them.
Fortunately you will often die in the first winter and won't have to do all that hard work.
Quote from: alfred russel on July 28, 2014, 11:19:46 AM
Quote from: celedhring on July 28, 2014, 10:36:19 AM
The Pilgrims didn't pay 2000$/month for a cockroach infested basement in Brooklyn, I'm sure.
True, but I've picked up a vibe from CdM and Ide that indicates they may not be willing to make a dangerous multi month journey on a rickety rat infested boat in order to become farmers in a land where they will have to build their own houses and the natives sometimes try to kill them.
The vast majority of immigrants didn't come over in those conditions. It only takes a few. You know Tim's gonna sign up for the first Mars colony.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 28, 2014, 11:32:50 AM
The vast majority of immigrants didn't come over in those conditions. It only takes a few. You know Tim's gonna sign up for the first Mars colony.
I didn't bring in the Pilgrim comparison, but the general trend is true. For those of us who have ancestors that were here 100+ years ago and didn't come over in bondage, our ancestors took a chance in a foreign land that involved a lot more risk than moving to NYC today.
Also, for all the abuse he gets, Tim has more than a little of that pioneer spirit in him. He needed a summer job, so he took a gig as a door to door salesman in the deep south. Now he has moved to korea to spread knowledge of our language and customs to a foreign people.
Quote from: alfred russel on July 28, 2014, 11:16:48 AM
When I first graduated college and moved to Atlanta, I got a 2 bedroom 1 bath apartment in a decent area of town that now rents for $1750 a month (I just checked what it is currently going for). If garbon pays less than $2k, and really doesn't need a car, that really highlights that I should have been in NYC (I much rather would have had a 1 bedroom in NYC than a 2 bedroom in Atlanta--even if I did install in the 2nd bedroom a pool table and dart board and a generally sweet setup).
Plus you get paid more in NYC.
Fuck, opportunity lost. :(
You want 1 bedroom in NYC for $1750 a month? :hmm: I guess if you're really not particular about a neighborhood, you may find something like this. For comparison, my previous studio apartment in Jersey Fucking City was nearing that amount towards the end of my stay there.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 28, 2014, 11:32:50 AM
The vast majority of immigrants didn't come over in those conditions. It only takes a few. You know Tim's gonna sign up for the first Mars colony.
I don't know man. People were moving west in this country being attacked by Natives and building their own homes for a good long time. Heck my great grandfather built his house when he stole land from the Natives during the Oklahoma land run. Fortunately the Natives were good and pacified by then.
Quote from: Valmy on July 28, 2014, 12:58:53 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 28, 2014, 11:32:50 AM
The vast majority of immigrants didn't come over in those conditions. It only takes a few. You know Tim's gonna sign up for the first Mars colony.
I don't know man. People were moving west in this country being attacked by Natives and building their own homes for a good long time. Heck my great grandfather built his house when he stole land from the Natives during the Oklahoma land run. Fortunately the Natives were good and pacified by then.
The geographic center of population in 1940 was still in Indiana. This is because most people were coming over for jobs in the settled east, not to be pioneers in Indian territory.
3 points of consideration: 1) I wouldn't need a car. Take out my average car costs and add those in. 2) I'd make a lot more money. 3) I'd rather pay a bit more to live in NYC than be in Atlanta.
Quote from: DGuller on July 28, 2014, 12:50:37 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on July 28, 2014, 11:16:48 AM
When I first graduated college and moved to Atlanta, I got a 2 bedroom 1 bath apartment in a decent area of town that now rents for $1750 a month (I just checked what it is currently going for). If garbon pays less than $2k, and really doesn't need a car, that really highlights that I should have been in NYC (I much rather would have had a 1 bedroom in NYC than a 2 bedroom in Atlanta--even if I did install in the 2nd bedroom a pool table and dart board and a generally sweet setup).
Plus you get paid more in NYC.
Fuck, opportunity lost. :(
You want 1 bedroom in NYC for $1750 a month? :hmm: I guess if you're really not particular about a neighborhood, you may find something like this. For comparison, my previous studio apartment in Jersey Fucking City was nearing that amount towards the end of my stay there.
Well my 1 bedroom was about that when I first got it. I was going to then make a claim about neighborhood but just saw this!
http://www.businessinsider.com/report-2-us-marshals-and-1-cop-shot-in-new-york-city-2014-7
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 28, 2014, 01:07:21 PM
The geographic center of population in 1940 was still in Indiana. This is because most people were coming over for jobs in the settled east, not to be pioneers in Indian territory.
Bunch of wimps! Real men lived in hollow trees while fighting off wolves all night.
Quote from: alfred russel on July 28, 2014, 12:27:41 PM
Also, for all the abuse he gets, Tim has more than a little of that pioneer spirit in him. He needed a summer job, so he took a gig as a door to door salesman in the deep south. Now he has moved to korea to spread knowledge of our language and customs to a foreign people.
He's teaching an entire generation of South Korean students shitty taste in movies and even shittier English. Yahoo.
Hey garbon, are you familiar with Humans of New York?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 28, 2014, 02:08:44 PM
He's teaching an entire generation of South Korean students shitty taste in movies and even shittier English. Yahoo.
The kid is scoring more asian ass than the marines deciding who to let onto the last helicopters out of saigon. He is doing alright for himself.
I have tremendous respect for Timmay. He left his home for an alien country with strange customs and unintelligible language and then went to Korea. Not many who have the guts for that.
Quote from: alfred russel on July 28, 2014, 02:19:36 PM
The kid is scoring more asian ass than the marines deciding who to let onto the last helicopters out of saigon. He is doing alright for himself.
He is? Huh.
Quote from: Syt on July 28, 2014, 02:28:16 PM
I have tremendous respect for Timmay. He left his home for an alien country with strange customs and unintelligible language and then went to Korea. Not many who have the guts for that.
:lol:
^_^ I get it.
Quote from: Syt on July 28, 2014, 02:28:16 PM
I have tremendous respect for Timmay. He left his home for an alien country with strange customs and unintelligible language and then went to Korea. Not many who have the guts for that.
:D
Quote from: Jacob on July 28, 2014, 02:14:26 PM
Hey garbon, are you familiar with Humans of New York?
I'd forgotten about it but yes, I peruse those photos every so often. I love that kind of stuff. :)
On a different note, I found this blog pretty funny before it died off (/it also looks to have expanded a little bit to other cities before its demise). I don't really know who takes these apartments though unless it was a really needed place at the last possible minute. For most of these, something much better can be had at same price, though likely needing a bit more effort to find (for instance, at time of posting, I was paying less than what that person was being asked for "Loft bed setup with workstation" in west village on page 11).
http://www.worstroom.com/page/12
Everything's in Manhattan and Brooklyn. Does that mean the other boroughs are reasonably priced, or just that the people there don't have internet? :hmm:
IIRC in Staten Island rent is slightly lower, but still pretty high.
Quote from: derspiess on July 28, 2014, 04:30:13 PM
IIRC in Staten Island rent is slightly lower, but still pretty high.
Staten Island is the best. You get to take a boat to work everyday. It is like being a Pirate.
Quote from: Valmy on July 28, 2014, 04:33:48 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 28, 2014, 04:30:13 PM
IIRC in Staten Island rent is slightly lower, but still pretty high.
Staten Island is the best. You get to take a boat to work everyday. It is like being a Pirate.
I guess you get used to it. The few times I did that (stayed at a hotel on "The Island" and went to the Big East Tourney in Madison Square Garden) seemed like an ordeal, though.
Quote from: Valmy on July 28, 2014, 04:33:48 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 28, 2014, 04:30:13 PM
IIRC in Staten Island rent is slightly lower, but still pretty high.
Staten Island is the best. You get to take a boat to work everyday. It is like being a Pirate.
My one co-worker in SI took a bus.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 28, 2014, 04:19:33 PM
Everything's in Manhattan and Brooklyn. Does that mean the other boroughs are reasonably priced, or just that the people there don't have internet? :hmm:
Most prices are lower as you move further from Manhattan.
Quote from: derspiess on July 28, 2014, 04:41:21 PM
I guess you get used to it. The few times I did that (stayed at a hotel on "The Island" and went to the Big East Tourney in Madison Square Garden) seemed like an ordeal, though.
So is staring at the back of someone's head on a commuter train.
There is also the pay differential...When I graduated from accounting school in the midwest, our career services office gave us the starting salaries that were being offered by the big firms. They were:
NYC: $70s
Chicago: mid $50s
Atlanta: $46
That is just one job, at one point in time, but it at least compares people that all have the same educational experience, doing the same work, for the same people.
I'm surprised Chicago was that close to Atlanta.
Quote from: alfred russel on July 28, 2014, 11:19:46 AM
Quote from: celedhring on July 28, 2014, 10:36:19 AM
The Pilgrims didn't pay 2000$/month for a cockroach infested basement in Brooklyn, I'm sure.
True, but I've picked up a vibe from CdM and Ide that indicates they may not be willing to make a dangerous multi month journey on a rickety rat infested boat in order to become farmers in a land where they will have to build their own houses and the natives sometimes try to kill them.
Look, if I could go to New York and take any piece of land I saw because the original inhabitants were dying in droves due to a combination of my superior firepower and resistance to my own smallpox, sure, I might consider it; likewise if I could move to Asia, obey only the laws I felt applied to me and trade opium for silver and blowjobs, I would be mightily tempted. But the times change, buster. There is no center and no frontier. The whole Earth is owned by someone else already.
must be the noise. outside noise should never filter into the bedroom. :)
Quote from: LaCroix on July 28, 2014, 05:49:49 PM
must be the noise. outside noise should never filter into the bedroom. :)
:unsure:
Quote from: Ideologue on July 28, 2014, 05:55:01 PM:unsure:
it's like a ticking clock - impossible to tune out, evokes rage :yes:
I taste purple. The slendermen are coming. It never rains on my plains in Spain.
Is LaCroix back on the opening thread topic?
Quote from: Ideologue on July 28, 2014, 05:55:01 PM
Quote from: LaCroix on July 28, 2014, 05:49:49 PM
must be the noise. outside noise should never filter into the bedroom. :)
:unsure:
I believe he's responding to the OP. However, garbon assures us that his apartment is quiet as a library.
Also, a couple weeks ago I had bugs chirping very loudly outside my window all night. It was maddening.
Quote from: garbon on July 28, 2014, 06:07:08 PM
Is LaCroix back on the opening thread topic?
yup. didn't know that was the source of confusion
Quote from: Peter WigginAlso, a couple weeks ago I had bugs chirping very loudly outside my window all night. It was maddening.
my apartment neighbor has a wind chime. it's awful and so utterly pointless. the most annoying noise for no reason at all
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 28, 2014, 05:00:12 PM
I'm surprised Chicago was that close to Atlanta.
Atlanta is kind of underrated imo has been booming the last 20 years. Lots of businesses have moved here and there are a lot of jobs for someone wanting to be in accounting for bigger businesses. Compared to Miami, I think the Atlanta salaries were actually higher even though Miami has a higher cost of living. The positions in Miami were probably more competitive too.
I sort of feel like the best days of Chicago may be behind it. It feels like it is slumping a bit.
Chicago is at heart an industrial town. It's done well not to go the way of Detroit.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 28, 2014, 06:07:52 PM
I believe he's responding to the OP. However, garbon assures us that his apartment is quiet as a library.
Mine is surprisingly pretty quiet. While I live on a party street in NYUland, I face a quiet courtyard. Only here a bunch of noise if people are chatting in the hallway and/or having a roof party on a nearby building.
Oh and sometimes some doves coo on my fire escape.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 28, 2014, 06:15:05 PM
Chicago is at heart an industrial town. It's done well not to go the way of Detroit.
It is the capital of the midwest, the region of the country that has really struggled the most recently.
I think a good comparison is with Big 10 football. Tremendous heritage, still definitely one of the big boys, but no longer truly among the best even if out of tradition some put it there.
Quote from: garbon on July 28, 2014, 06:18:51 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 28, 2014, 06:07:52 PM
I believe he's responding to the OP. However, garbon assures us that his apartment is quiet as a library.
Mine is surprisingly pretty quiet. While I live on a party street in NYUland, I face a quiet courtyard. Only here a bunch of noise if people are chatting in the hallway and/or having a roof party on a nearby building.
Oh and sometimes some doves coo on my fire escape.
... and rent is roughly 2K/month for a one bedroom? Is it big/ small/ tiny?
Quote from: Ideologue on July 28, 2014, 05:39:35 PM
Look, if I could go to New York and take any piece of land I saw because the original inhabitants were dying in droves due to a combination of my superior firepower and resistance to my own smallpox, sure, I might consider it; likewise if I could move to Asia, obey only the laws I felt applied to me and trade opium for silver and blowjobs, I would be mightily tempted. But the times change, buster. There is no center and no frontier. The whole Earth is owned by someone else already.
There is one frontier left.
http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/alaska-the-last-frontier
I don't know much about it, no one does except for reality TV viewers, but I think you should bring a jacket.
Quote from: alfred russel on July 28, 2014, 06:49:38 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on July 28, 2014, 05:39:35 PM
Look, if I could go to New York and take any piece of land I saw because the original inhabitants were dying in droves due to a combination of my superior firepower and resistance to my own smallpox, sure, I might consider it; likewise if I could move to Asia, obey only the laws I felt applied to me and trade opium for silver and blowjobs, I would be mightily tempted. But the times change, buster. There is no center and no frontier. The whole Earth is owned by someone else already.
There is one frontier left.
http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/alaska-the-last-frontier
I don't know much about it, no one does except for reality TV viewers, but I think you should bring a jacket.
Indeed. I think homesteading still applies in Alaska. If you go, clear the land and make it productive you can get free title. :cool:
Quote from: Jacob on July 28, 2014, 06:38:50 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 28, 2014, 06:18:51 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 28, 2014, 06:07:52 PM
I believe he's responding to the OP. However, garbon assures us that his apartment is quiet as a library.
Mine is surprisingly pretty quiet. While I live on a party street in NYUland, I face a quiet courtyard. Only here a bunch of noise if people are chatting in the hallway and/or having a roof party on a nearby building.
Oh and sometimes some doves coo on my fire escape.
... and rent is roughly 2K/month for a one bedroom? Is it big/ small/ tiny?
Oh it is certainly on the small side - but more than enough room for one person. In fact in comparison to the first apartment I shared in the city, this one be a much nicer 2 bedroom conversion if it came to that. (/my one sister is big on the idea that I should rent out a room...:rolleyes:)
Anyway, in response to all this GO NORTH MIDDLE-AGED MAN crap, I pay $650 a month. For a two bedroom. In a good neighborhood (except for the occasional nomadic peoples from a couple of miles down the street, but all settled men must face wandering bandits).
Quote from: Ideologue on July 28, 2014, 08:48:08 PM
Anyway, in response to all this GO NORTH MIDDLE-AGED MAN crap, I pay $650 a month. For a two bedroom. In a good neighborhood (except for the occasional nomadic peoples from a couple of miles down the street, but all settled men must face wandering bandits).
ok? :unsure:
Quote from: alfred russel on July 28, 2014, 11:19:46 AM
Quote from: celedhring on July 28, 2014, 10:36:19 AM
The Pilgrims didn't pay 2000$/month for a cockroach infested basement in Brooklyn, I'm sure.
True, but I've picked up a vibe from CdM and Ide that indicates they may not be willing to make a dangerous multi month journey on a rickety rat infested boat in order to become farmers in a land where they will have to build their own houses and the natives sometimes try to kill them.
True, I recall Ide looking into teaching abroad once but it was Korea he wanted to go to, not the Middle East.
Though seriously.... Certainly things were tough for pioneers way back when but let's not forget that at the time having to build your own house, grow your own food and sometimes have people try to kill you wasn't too abnormal in their home countries. We may be softer but the analogy isn't perfect
Quote from: Ideologue on July 28, 2014, 08:48:08 PM
Anyway, in response to all this GO NORTH MIDDLE-AGED MAN crap, I pay $650 a month. For a two bedroom.
So do I. It's called a mortgage. I'm just not paid enough to live there anymore.
Your mortgage is 650 a month?? Lucky.
Being undersold before the boom hit in that part of town along 17 years of equity doesn't hurt. Locked in a 30 year fixed back in '97.
But you're forgetting to tack on the $195 condo fee, and the neighbors I have to call the cops on every other week when it's payday and we need to get our drink on for Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots with the lil' Missus, while everybody slams their car door into yours. :lol:
Not bad for a single family of me, though. Just lucky I didn't cash out of it and roll it into a new mortgage right before my wealth was redistributed. It's all I have left.
Quote from: Tyr on July 28, 2014, 08:53:18 PM
Though seriously.... Certainly things were tough for pioneers way back when but let's not forget that at the time having to build your own house, grow your own food and sometimes have people try to kill you wasn't too abnormal in their home countries. We may be softer but the analogy isn't perfect
I'm not seriously telling anyone to move to nyc or alaska. It is more that if you aren't satisfied with the direction your life is going you should switch things up. Maybe even radically.
Our immigrant ancestors came to America from a lot of different circumstances, but in general I think it is safe to say the risk and hardship most of them accepted was a lot less than we would face today if we were to do something like move to the Dakotas.
Dorsey, have you ever moved someplace new without a job in hand?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 28, 2014, 10:38:54 PM
Dorsey, have you ever moved someplace new without a job in hand?
Nope. I've always been employed in a way that I thought I had long term prospects for wealth and success, with one exception when I went back to school.
Also, it would be possible to get a job in hand before moving somewhere. Iirc Ide had an opportunity in Korea. Or it would be possible to go back to school, get seriously into a hobby, push hard for a professional certification, etc.
Quote from: garbon on July 28, 2014, 08:51:27 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on July 28, 2014, 08:48:08 PM
Anyway, in response to all this GO NORTH MIDDLE-AGED MAN crap, I pay $650 a month. For a two bedroom. In a good neighborhood (except for the occasional nomadic peoples from a couple of miles down the street, but all settled men must face wandering bandits).
ok? :unsure:
My point is that with $2k after taxes I can almost live like a human being here. The $3.5k in NYC I'd be lucky to get, I couldn't even afford a hooker on Christmas.
Quote from: Jacob on July 28, 2014, 02:14:26 PM
Hey garbon, are you familiar with Humans of New York?
:zzz
Was he: working as a waitress in a cocktail bar. :)
Quote from: Caliga on July 29, 2014, 06:55:27 AM
Was he: working as a waitress in a cocktail bar. :)
Liking that song as a child should have been a clue up the bitch that was to come. -_-
Also, I was just reading a thing about New York things and I think these few struck me as reasons we are so unhappy. :blush:
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3. You rush everywhere even if you have no reason to.
4. You get sidewalk rage because people walk too slowly.
11. You can bump into someone when you're walking and not take the time to say "sorry."
16. You no longer smell that "hot trash" smell. That's just a normal smell.
28. You ~cannot~ walk as slow as everyone else does when you travel outside New York.
30. You feel the specific anger of waiting in line to swipe at the subway turnstile behind someone who DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO SWIPE.
41. You think, Awwww! instead of Ewwww when you watch a pair of rats chase each other on the subway tracks.
43. You've earnestly said, "I'd kill for laundry in my building."
53. You slam your fist onto a cab's hood and yell at them to fuck off when they're about to hit you.
54. You've seen a homeless guy jerking off onto an ATM at the Chase on Smith between Baltic and Warren and been completely unfazed by it.
Quote54. You've seen a homeless guy jerking off onto an ATM at the Chase on Smith between Baltic and Warren and been completely unfazed by it.
Fight the power.
You really shouldn't be watching people when they use an ATM.
Quote from: alfred russel on July 28, 2014, 10:37:04 PMOur immigrant ancestors came to America from a lot of different circumstances, but in general I think it is safe to say the risk and hardship most of them accepted was a lot less than we would face today if we were to do something like move to the Dakotas.
you do realize both dakotas have a city of
100,000 people, right? :huh:
Quote from: LaCroix on July 29, 2014, 08:22:41 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on July 28, 2014, 10:37:04 PMOur immigrant ancestors came to America from a lot of different circumstances, but in general I think it is safe to say the risk and hardship most of them accepted was a lot less than we would face today if we were to do something like move to the Dakotas.
you do realize both dakotas have a city of 100,000 people, right? :huh:
There are apparently many things I didn't realize. Most important being that when you reference the population of a city in the Dakotas, it should be bolded and underlined. :P
It's what the Bluebook sez.