He's a girl, now!
:rolleyes:
If they wanted to attract more women and girls to superhero comic books, why not create one based around a classic heroine/goddess instead of re-inventing some guy god?
Women who come to mind:
Diana/Artemis - Goddess of the Hunt
Boudica - Legendary female warrior
Freyja - Goddess of War
Cordelia - Legendary War Queen
Grainne - Irish Pirate that bested Queen Elizabeth I
Hervor - Sheildmaiden of the Vikings
QuoteMarvel Comics has unveiled big changes for its hammer-wielding Norse superhero Thor - the character will become a woman.
The publisher said it hoped recasting Thor would attract more women and girls to superhero comic books.
New artwork reveals the once strapping and bearded Thunder God now as a buxom blonde, clad in a caped costume.
Thor first appeared in a Marvel adventure in 1962 and has been the star of two blockbuster movies.
New York-based Marvel described the move as "one of the most shocking and exciting changes ever to shake one of the 'big three' of Captain America, Iron Man and Thor.
"No longer is the classic Thunder God able to hold the mighty hammer, Mjolnir, and a brand new female hero will emerge worthy of the name Thor," it said in a news article.
Jason Aaron, writer of the new Thor series, said in a statement: "This is not She-Thor. This is not Lady Thor. This is not Thorita. This is Thor."
The female Thor is due to appear in her first adventure in October and be illustrated by Russell Dauterman.
Well, let's see how this plays out first, and what the origin of female Thor is.
Yeah I agree that is stupid. I don't think this is something anybody wanted.
Quote"This is not She-Thor. This is not Lady Thor. This is not Thorita. This is Thor."
LOL Lady Thor that is exactly what it is. This is a retarded gimmick.
I reserve judgment until I see more of this.
Obviously you can play all kinds of "women breaking into a male domain" conflicts with this one (more so than adding a female superhero of which there are many).
Quote from: merithyn on July 16, 2014, 09:46:46 AM
He's a girl, now!
:rolleyes:
If they wanted to attract more women and girls to superhero comic books, why not create one based around a classic heroine/goddess instead of re-inventing some guy god?
Women who come to mind:
Diana/Artemis - Goddess of the Hunt
Boudica - Legendary female warrior
Freyja - Goddess of War
Cordelia - Legendary War Queen
Grainne - Irish Pirate that bested Queen Elizabeth I
Hervor - Sheildmaiden of the Vikings
I take your point, but there might be issues of copyright confusion with Artemis (heavily featured in Wonder Woman), and Freya(sic) has already been watered down by Marvel to the point of unusability.
Sif, on the other hand, would have been perfect. Considering the buzz bringing her in to tie
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D together with
Thor: The Dark World, I would have thought she would be a shoo-in for exactly what they're trying to do here. :wacko:
My prediction: taking a page from
West Coast Avengers (Scarlet Witch's twins are revealed to be illusions created by Master Pandemonium), this will go on for a few issues before being reverted with the excuse that Loki's trickery was somehow responsible for the gender change.
All the choices provided by Mery are worse.
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 16, 2014, 10:11:37 AM
All the choices provided by Mery are worse.
Oh so all legendary female characters are just automatically inferior to Thor? Is that it? :angry:
Everyone is inferior to Thor.
but the Avenger universe as enough characters already, however adding more to that group by way of female creep is bad.
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 16, 2014, 10:15:52 AM
Everyone is inferior to Thor.
Well....I guess I cannot argue with that.
It does seem weird that thor, an established character beyond comic books, would be the one they would try this with. Surely a female captain America for instance would be far less silly?
Or perhaps that's their thinking, a lot more people know of the real Thor today than when the comic book character was first conceived, they're trying to draw far more of a line between superhero Thor and god Thor?
They should make Kali the star of a comic book.
The thing is with Thor you have an easy transfer of powers without making up any other reason for the gender bend (curses, poison, retrovirus, nanomachines ...) - whoever is worthy of the powers can lift the hammer (e.g. Donald Blake found the hammer while on a walk in Norway and hiding from invading rock people from space).
So why not a female?
Quote from: merithyn on July 16, 2014, 09:46:46 AM
He's a girl, now!
:rolleyes:
If they wanted to attract more women and girls to superhero comic books, why not create one based around a classic heroine/goddess instead of re-inventing some guy god?
Women who come to mind:
Diana/Artemis - Goddess of the Hunt
Boudica - Legendary female warrior
Freyja - Goddess of War
Cordelia - Legendary War Queen
Grainne - Irish Pirate that bested Queen Elizabeth I
Hervor - Sheildmaiden of the Vikings
QuoteMarvel Comics has unveiled big changes for its hammer-wielding Norse superhero Thor - the character will become a woman.
The publisher said it hoped recasting Thor would attract more women and girls to superhero comic books.
New artwork reveals the once strapping and bearded Thunder God now as a buxom blonde, clad in a caped costume.
Thor first appeared in a Marvel adventure in 1962 and has been the star of two blockbuster movies.
New York-based Marvel described the move as "one of the most shocking and exciting changes ever to shake one of the 'big three' of Captain America, Iron Man and Thor.
"No longer is the classic Thunder God able to hold the mighty hammer, Mjolnir, and a brand new female hero will emerge worthy of the name Thor," it said in a news article.
Jason Aaron, writer of the new Thor series, said in a statement: "This is not She-Thor. This is not Lady Thor. This is not Thorita. This is Thor."
The female Thor is due to appear in her first adventure in October and be illustrated by Russell Dauterman.
this ain't April 1st... :confused:
Quote from: Syt on July 16, 2014, 10:33:06 AM
The thing is with Thor you have an easy transfer of powers without making up any other reason for the gender bend (curses, poison, retrovirus, nanomachines ...) - whoever is worthy of the powers can lift the hammer (e.g. Donald Blake found the hammer while on a walk in Norway and hiding from invading rock people from space).
So why not a female?
Thor could die an horrible death in battle and Lady Sif could pick it up to become the new Thor.
In the movies it's supposed to be the real Thor, not some random schmuck who happened to find Mjollnir. :huh:
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Apparently Thor does something that makes him unworthy of wielding the hammer and then is replaced by a thor fangirl who wears a mask and calls herself Thor. He, that is the original Thor will be doing something else while someone else is wielding the hammer.
If anything this is a riff on his origin, where Odin sends him to earth to learn humility. This might be the All-Mother (yes Odin has been replaced by a female too) either being part of some evil plot involving estrogen to destroy asgard or teaching thor ehh.. I don't know.. Feminism?
Even though this was announced on "The View" I'm not entirely convinced that girls are the target market:
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It doesn't look like she'll need a hammer to pummel Loki. :perv:
I'm not sure Tranny Thor will be a seller.
Also it should be Thora, not Thor.
Meh, she isn't even hot. They are actually trying to be serious with this?
Quote from: Savonarola on July 16, 2014, 11:26:44 AM
Even though this was announced on "The View" I'm not entirely convinced that girls are the target market:
It doesn't look like she'll need a hammer to pummel Loki. :perv:
I thought the same thing. If they want more women and girls to read comics, dressing the women in something that will actually protect them would be a good start. And maybe bringing them down to a more manageable C-cup, while they're at it.
Quote from: Legbiter on July 16, 2014, 11:41:20 AM
Also it should be Thora, not Thor.
They could have a tie in with Nickelodeon where she went on quests and taught children Swedish.
This smells an awful lot like a troll. Even the quotes sound like troll-quotes. I'll believe it when they sink a lot of money into it.
Quote from: merithyn on July 16, 2014, 12:29:22 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on July 16, 2014, 11:26:44 AM
Even though this was announced on "The View" I'm not entirely convinced that girls are the target market:
It doesn't look like she'll need a hammer to pummel Loki. :perv:
I thought the same thing. If they want more women and girls to read comics, dressing the women in something that will actually protect them would be a good start. And maybe bringing them down to a more manageable C-cup, while they're at it.
Plus the mask makes her look like "Brunhilde the Dominatrix."
Quote from: merithyn on July 16, 2014, 12:29:22 PM
I thought the same thing. If they want more women and girls to read comics, dressing the women in something that will actually protect them would be a good start. And maybe bringing them down to a more manageable C-cup, while they're at it.
Ok if the superheroes go into battle dressed up in tights and impractical capes your expectations cannot be this high.
I'd do her. But she's gotta keep the Brunnhilde helmet on.
Dunno, Thor's outfit is often not really geared towards protection, either (though he often has an armored shirt in recent years).
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Quote from: Tyr on July 16, 2014, 10:18:42 AM
It does seem weird that thor, an established character beyond comic books, would be the one they would try this with. Surely a female captain America for instance would be far less silly?
Or perhaps that's their thinking, a lot more people know of the real Thor today than when the comic book character was first conceived, they're trying to draw far more of a line between superhero Thor and god Thor?
Which they've already started. Captain Marvel's retired, and the former Ms. Marvel (Sharon Ventura) has stepped in as the new one. Also, with the additional details provided by Viking, I beg to differ that "this
is Thor." This is more like Beta Ray Bill than Thor.
They always look like they are wearing their underwear outside of their pants.
Quote from: grumbler on July 16, 2014, 12:33:22 PM
This smells an awful lot like a troll. Even the quotes sound like troll-quotes. I'll believe it when they sink a lot of money into it.
Throll?
Quote from: merithyn on July 16, 2014, 09:46:46 AM
Diana/Artemis - Goddess of the Hunt
Boudica - Legendary female warrior
Freyja - Goddess of War
Cordelia - Legendary War Queen
Grainne - Irish Pirate that bested Queen Elizabeth I
Hervor - Sheildmaiden of the Vikings
Why not Cloacina, goddess of sewers and shit?
Labia Maxima, godess of roast beef sammiches
Well, it's either that or Cee-Sectona, goddess of one-piece bathing suits.
Quote from: merithyn on July 16, 2014, 12:29:22 PM
I thought the same thing. If they want more women and girls to read comics, dressing the women in something that will actually protect them would be a good start. And maybe bringing them down to a more manageable C-cup, while they're at it.
One thing at a time, please. They gave her a breastplate, it's a start! :P
Quote from: Savonarola on July 16, 2014, 12:35:32 PM
Quote from: merithyn on July 16, 2014, 12:29:22 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on July 16, 2014, 11:26:44 AM
Even though this was announced on "The View" I'm not entirely convinced that girls are the target market:
It doesn't look like she'll need a hammer to pummel Loki. :perv:
I thought the same thing. If they want more women and girls to read comics, dressing the women in something that will actually protect them would be a good start. And maybe bringing them down to a more manageable C-cup, while they're at it.
Plus the mask makes her look like "Brunhilde the Dominatrix."
Thora, She-wolf of Asgaard?
Quote from: viper37 on July 16, 2014, 02:59:58 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on July 16, 2014, 12:35:32 PM
Plus the mask makes her look like "Brunhilde the Dominatrix."
Thora, She-wolf of Asgaard?
:lol: :thumbsup:
Quote from: DontSayBanana on July 16, 2014, 01:24:09 PM
Quote from: Tyr on July 16, 2014, 10:18:42 AM
It does seem weird that thor, an established character beyond comic books, would be the one they would try this with. Surely a female captain America for instance would be far less silly?
Or perhaps that's their thinking, a lot more people know of the real Thor today than when the comic book character was first conceived, they're trying to draw far more of a line between superhero Thor and god Thor?
Which they've already started. Captain Marvel's retired, and the former Ms. Marvel (Sharon Ventura) has stepped in as the new one. Also, with the additional details provided by Viking, I beg to differ that "this is Thor." This is more like Beta Ray Bill than Thor.
Or Red Norvill, minus Odin's interference.
Quote from: merithyn on July 16, 2014, 12:29:22 PM
And maybe bringing them down to a more manageable C-cup, while they're at it.
:mad:
I gotta say that I'm not feeling the transphobia.
Thora the Explorer
Quote from: DontSayBanana on July 16, 2014, 10:01:28 AM
My prediction: taking a page from West Coast Avengers (Scarlet Witch's twins are revealed to be illusions created by Master Pandemonium), this will go on for a few issues before being reverted with the excuse that Loki's trickery was somehow responsible for the gender change.
Funny thing, Loki transformed himself to a female on several occasions in Norse myth, and was the *mother* of some of the great monsters.
Quote from: Syt on July 16, 2014, 10:33:06 AM
The thing is with Thor you have an easy transfer of powers without making up any other reason for the gender bend (curses, poison, retrovirus, nanomachines ...) - whoever is worthy of the powers can lift the hammer (e.g. Donald Blake found the hammer while on a walk in Norway and hiding from invading rock people from space).
So why not a female?
Indeed. But that would get in the way of a bunch of people who don't read comics FREAKING OUT over shit they neither understand nor, really, care about in the first place.
I mean, it's not like this would be the first time this has happened. Eric Masterson anybody? Also Loki was a chick for like two years. Also Thor was a frog one time.
Quote from: garbon on July 16, 2014, 10:47:31 PM
I gotta say that I'm not feeling the transphobia.
:rolleyes:
Yes, that's what it is.
Quote from: Ideologue on July 16, 2014, 10:55:08 PM
Indeed. But that would get in the way of a bunch of people who don't read comics FREAKING OUT over shit they neither understand nor, really, care about in the first place.
I mean, it's not like this would be the first time this has happened. Eric Masterson anybody? Also Loki was a chick for like two years. Also Thor was a frog one time.
That's not the point. Why not have a female superhero with a strong storyline that's all her own? Not one of the uber-boobed, under-armored chicks who mostly simper and/or connive. Rather, a woman as strong, capable, and lovable as Wonder Woman? Of all of the comics out there, there is one really awesome female superhero with a great storyline.
It can't be that hard to come up with one. Instead, they've chosen to usurp a guy's. It's annoying.
Quote from: merithyn on July 16, 2014, 11:11:23 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 16, 2014, 10:47:31 PM
I gotta say that I'm not feeling the transphobia.
:rolleyes:
Yes, that's what it is.
Words have meanings and hey, perhaps we shouldn't use them so sloppily.
Quote from: merithyn on July 16, 2014, 11:14:49 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on July 16, 2014, 10:55:08 PM
Indeed. But that would get in the way of a bunch of people who don't read comics FREAKING OUT over shit they neither understand nor, really, care about in the first place.
I mean, it's not like this would be the first time this has happened. Eric Masterson anybody? Also Loki was a chick for like two years. Also Thor was a frog one time.
That's not the point. Why not have a female superhero with a strong storyline that's all her own? Not one of the uber-boobed, under-armored chicks who mostly simper and/or connive. Rather, a woman as strong, capable, and lovable as Wonder Woman? Of all of the comics out there, there is one really awesome female superhero with a great storyline.
It can't be that hard to come up with one. Instead, they've chosen to usurp a guy's. It's annoying.
The point seems to be you just wanted to whine about something insignificant*...and then for some reason also malign transgendered folk in the process.
*But that's fine, we all do that. :hug:
Quote from: merithyn on July 16, 2014, 11:14:49 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on July 16, 2014, 10:55:08 PM
Indeed. But that would get in the way of a bunch of people who don't read comics FREAKING OUT over shit they neither understand nor, really, care about in the first place.
I mean, it's not like this would be the first time this has happened. Eric Masterson anybody? Also Loki was a chick for like two years. Also Thor was a frog one time.
That's not the point. Why not have a female superhero with a strong storyline that's all her own? Not one of the uber-boobed, under-armored chicks who mostly simper and/or connive. Rather, a woman as strong, capable, and lovable as Wonder Woman? Of all of the comics out there, there is one really awesome female superhero with a great storyline.
It can't be that hard to come up with one. Instead, they've chosen to usurp a guy's. It's annoying.
Meh, Marvel and DC both already have too many superheroes, and a lot of them are kind of lame anyway. This seems like a lame gimmick, but do you really think the people responsible would be all that likely to come up with a new superhero that wasn't just as lame? Look at some of the very questionable editorial decisions that have been made at both Marvel and DC in recent years, or think about how long it's been since any really iconic new superhero has been introduced.
Quote from: merithyn on July 16, 2014, 11:14:49 PMNot one of the uber-boobed, under-armored chicks
While I don't disagree with your other points much, I think this argument is not very valid, because the vast majority of male superheroes are also presented in hyper-masculine way with highly toned physiques in little or skintight clothing. It's very much like pro wrestling that way.
And Wonder Woman is pretty uber-boobed, under armored apart from bullets and bracelets.
Quote from: merithyn on July 16, 2014, 11:14:49 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on July 16, 2014, 10:55:08 PM
Indeed. But that would get in the way of a bunch of people who don't read comics FREAKING OUT over shit they neither understand nor, really, care about in the first place.
I mean, it's not like this would be the first time this has happened. Eric Masterson anybody? Also Loki was a chick for like two years. Also Thor was a frog one time.
That's not the point. Why not have a female superhero with a strong storyline that's all her own? Not one of the uber-boobed, under-armored chicks who mostly simper and/or connive. Rather, a woman as strong, capable, and lovable as Wonder Woman? Of all of the comics out there, there is one really awesome female superhero with a great storyline.
Lol.
Look, I've never said that comics don't have a representation problem. And if you want actual answers as to why that is, I can give those to you, but they're complicated (and they are depressing), and I'm not writing an essay about them right now.
That said, when you say there is literally only one great female superhero, I think you mean "Merithyn has heard of one great female superhero," and even that probably isn't even true, since there's no way you've avoided hearing of Jean Grey.
Interestingly, the major criticism of Wonder Woman is that she does
not have a
great storyline: unlike Batman or Superman, or even Green Lantern, you cannot point to a Wonder Woman story and say "
This." There is no Dark Knight Returns, Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?, or Sinestro Corps War for Diana. I couldn't even name a prominent Wonder Woman story, other than her origin and team efforts like Kingdom Come or Morrison's JLA run. She also lacks good villains--I mean, name one.
Now, that's not the concept's fault. The WW concept is pretty great.
(Jean Grey
does have a great storyline. Unfortunately, it is in many respects not terribly empowering, and has been frequently ripped off to even more sexist results; but you've got to give her credit [spoiler]for the part where she commits suicide.[/spoiler])
QuoteIt can't be that hard to come up with one.
And that's the nutshell of the problem right there, obviating a great big long essay: yes it is. In fact, it's borderline impossible.
Every superhero you've ever heard and 90% of the ones even superhero fans give a shit about were created before 1970. The only comic book characters created after that date that the average joe or josephine even knows are 1)Wolverine and 2)the Punisher. That is an exhaustive list. You could
maybe add Deadpool and Cable if you were stretching it, but I doubt it.
QuoteInstead, they've chosen to usurp a guy's. It's annoying.
I guess, if variant versions of superheroes weren't an integral part of the genre.
Quote from: Syt on July 17, 2014, 12:24:16 AM
Quote from: merithyn on July 16, 2014, 11:14:49 PMNot one of the uber-boobed, under-armored chicks
While I don't disagree with your other points much, I think this argument is not very valid, because the vast majority of male superheroes are also presented in hyper-masculine way with highly toned physiques in little or skintight clothing. It's very much like pro wrestling that way.
Good thing this is Languish and not a feminist comic book forum, or you'd be swarmed.
Fwiw, I actually agree to an extent. On one hand, women are definitely super-sexualized in comics, with wasp waists and huge tits. On the other, men are made to be figures of power and muscular superhumanity. Unfortunately for gender representation in superhero books, the things which visually symbolize power are also the things which make the masculine figure sexually desirable. So you have a problem where the solution is to make it so that women are butched up--since I'm too lazy to come up with a better term--and men are still conventionally hot.
I've never especially minded artists' use of the variations on an idealized feminine form, as long as they actually varied it: I have routinely been annoyed when women who are supposed to be exclusively street-level physical fighters are drawn in the same waifish manner you could get away with if you were depicting a telekinetic or the like. Check out how Batgirl (Cassandra Cain) is too-often drawn--a tiny, super-cute Southeast Asian girl, not dissimilar from the ones seen in her artists' favorite pornographic videos. As opposed to an extremely muscular UFC fighter who probably has had her nose broken ten times in twenty years. (Bonus points if she actually appears to be Southeast Asian, though!)
The larger problem is that comic book artists almost uniformly suck at portraiture--drawing the same faces, bodies, etc. over and over again. Even great artists are often terrible at this (Frank Quitely, for a sometimes almost-grotesque example, although his "acting" is good once you get used to it). There is a hilarious absence of diversity--and I don't mean minorities, I just mean indications that people aren't clones. It's also pervasive in animation; see, e.g., that comparison of Elsa and Anna from Frozen that indicates they were just about Goddamned palette-swapped.
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Quote from: merithyn on July 16, 2014, 09:46:46 AM
He's a girl, now!
:rolleyes:
If they wanted to attract more women and girls to superhero comic books, why not create one based around a classic heroine/goddess instead of re-inventing some guy god?
Women who come to mind:
Diana/Artemis - Goddess of the Hunt
Boudica - Legendary female warrior
Freyja - Goddess of War
Cordelia - Legendary War Queen
Grainne - Irish Pirate that bested Queen Elizabeth I
Hervor - Sheildmaiden of the Vikings
War isn't the first thing I think of when I think of Freyja.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freyja
QuoteIn Norse mythology, Freyja (Old Norse the "Lady") is a goddess associated with love, sexuality, beauty, fertility, gold, seiðr, war, and death. Freyja
Athena would be much more appropriate
Quote from: Ideologue on July 17, 2014, 01:45:30 AM
She also lacks good villains--I mean, name one.
Well, considering her original origin story, her villians were the Nazis. You don't get much more villian-y than that.
QuoteEvery superhero you've ever heard and 90% of the ones even superhero fans give a shit about were created before 1970. The only comic book characters created after that date that the average joe or josephine even knows are 1)Wolverine and 2)the Punisher. That is an exhaustive list. You could maybe add Deadpool and Cable if you were stretching it, but I doubt it.
Yeah, I alluded to that earlier.
I think if you're a man and you care deeply about female/sexual minority representation in popular culture you should just stop, take stock of your life thus far and seriously consider making an appointment with your gynecologist. Prevention is worth a pound of cure.
Quote from: Legbiter on July 17, 2014, 07:06:33 AM
I think if you're a man and you care deeply about female/sexual minority representation in popular culture you should just stop, take stock of your life thus far and seriously consider making an appointment with your gynecologist. Prevention is worth a pound of cure.
What a terribly insecure thing to say. Did your father molest you, or was it the other boys?
Quote from: Ideologue on July 17, 2014, 07:50:47 AMWhat a terribly insecure thing to say. Did your father molest you, or was it the other boys?
Neither. And the only Thor spinoff I want is this. :contract:
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Quote from: Ideologue on July 17, 2014, 01:45:30 AM
She also lacks good villains--I mean, name one.
Cheetah can be fun, but you're right that WW doesn't have the Great Story that many other characters do.
QuoteEvery superhero you've ever heard and 90% of the ones even superhero fans give a shit about were created before 1970. The only comic book characters created after that date that the average joe or josephine even knows are 1)Wolverine and 2)the Punisher. That is an exhaustive list. You could maybe add Deadpool and Cable if you were stretching it, but I doubt it.
I was going to post this. There hasn't been a new character that has really caught on for the big two since the introduction of the gritty antiheroes by Marvel in the 80s. For DC, the most recent character they have who could headline a film is probably Hal Jordan, although the New Teen Titans seem to enjoy some success due to their animated series. And Jordan was created in the late 1950s.
When it comes to the most recently created women characters that are kinda famous, you'd probably have to go with Kitty Pryde and Emma Frost. And both of them are great characters, not known for simpering.
You know what series did a good job with having strong, capable women without being to 'Girl Power'-ey? Birds of Prey.
Quote from: Ideologue on July 17, 2014, 02:01:33 AM
I've never especially minded artists' use of the variations on an idealized feminine form, as long as they actually varied it: I have routinely been annoyed when women who are supposed to be exclusively street-level physical fighters are drawn in the same waifish manner you could get away with if you were depicting a telekinetic or the like. Check out how Batgirl (Cassandra Cain) is too-often drawn--a tiny, super-cute Southeast Asian girl, not dissimilar from the ones seen in her artists' favorite pornographic videos. As opposed to an extremely muscular UFC fighter who probably has had her nose broken ten times in twenty years. (Bonus points if she actually appears to be Southeast Asian, though!)
The Batgirls might not be such a great example, since the Robins have the same issue. They're children, so it makes sense that they be drawn smaller.
That's fair. Cassandra Cain is just my favorite example of terrible execution in practically everything. ("How do we create the perfect assassin?" "First, we should make it so she's unable to answer questions at border checkpoints or even understand directions on how to get to where her target is.")
I was going to mention the LSH as a team with a lot of pretty top-notch female characters, although obviously that depends on the writer and often the issue.
I also forgot Ghost Rider. Now it's an exhaustive list.
Cain has a rather fanatical online fan base I've found.
Very correct. I like her, as much as I like any latterday Bat-creation. But there are some issues in her fundamentals.
Quote from: Ideologue on July 17, 2014, 08:25:32 AM
That's fair. Cassandra Cain is just my favorite example of terrible execution in practically everything. ("How do we create the perfect assassin?" "First, we should make it so she's unable to answer questions at border checkpoints or even understand directions on how to get to where her target is.")
I was going to mention the LSH as a team with a lot of pretty top-notch female characters, although obviously that depends on the writer and often the issue.
I also forgot Ghost Rider. Now it's an exhaustive list.
Do people still like Ghost Rider? I was under the impression that he was a creature of the 'bitchin' era of the 90s.
I always liked Huntress. Remember back in the day when she used to wear all that thick, protective clothing? I thought that was cool.
Quote from: Ideologue on July 17, 2014, 08:28:05 AM
Very correct. I like her, as much as I like any latterday Bat-creation. But there are some issues in her fundamentals.
Yes, obviously, they dress up as bats and fight crime. I have issues with those fundamentals. But, that is sort of the point comicbook superheroes. You just accept the absurd premise as given and move on from there.
but, for Wonder Woman's enemies. As a non-reader of the comics I know of Ares, Cheetah, Circe and Giganta. Which is just as much as we know about many other famous characters.
When it comes to great heroic enemies only Batman, Spiderman and the Fantastic Four really have more than one and most of the rest don't even have one.
Wonder Woman's greatest enemies are the patriarchy and S&M fetishists.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 17, 2014, 09:18:46 AM
Wonder Woman's greatest enemies are the patriarchy and S&M fetishists.
well at least she's consistent with the daddy issues most other super heroes have.
Quote from: Syt on July 17, 2014, 12:24:16 AM
Quote from: merithyn on July 16, 2014, 11:14:49 PMNot one of the uber-boobed, under-armored chicks
While I don't disagree with your other points much, I think this argument is not very valid, because the vast majority of male superheroes are also presented in hyper-masculine way with highly toned physiques in little or skintight clothing. It's very much like pro wrestling that way.
Fair point.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 17, 2014, 06:04:24 AM
War isn't the first thing I think of when I think of Freyja.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freyja
QuoteIn Norse mythology, Freyja (Old Norse the "Lady") is a goddess associated with love, sexuality, beauty, fertility, gold, seiðr, war, and death. Freyja
Athena would be much more appropriate
You're right. She's a complex goddess with many, varied, aspects. What an awful concept for a comic book....
Quote from: merithyn on July 17, 2014, 10:57:50 AM
Quote from: Syt on July 17, 2014, 12:24:16 AM
Quote from: merithyn on July 16, 2014, 11:14:49 PMNot one of the uber-boobed, under-armored chicks
While I don't disagree with your other points much, I think this argument is not very valid, because the vast majority of male superheroes are also presented in hyper-masculine way with highly toned physiques in little or skintight clothing. It's very much like pro wrestling that way.
Fair point.
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I've always enjoyed Jean Grey... or did until the end.
Which Huntress are you talking about, Neil? Batman and Catwoman's daughter, or the mafioso's daughter? I liked the Mafioso's daughter, and the Birds of Prey series, but they don't get the playing time as the bigger named superheroes.
At the same time, I think it would be hard to have the Birds of Prey carry off a movie.
Quote from: merithyn on July 17, 2014, 10:59:21 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 17, 2014, 06:04:24 AM
War isn't the first thing I think of when I think of Freyja.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freyja
QuoteIn Norse mythology, Freyja (Old Norse the "Lady") is a goddess associated with love, sexuality, beauty, fertility, gold, seiðr, war, and death. Freyja
Athena would be much more appropriate
You're right. She's a complex goddess with many, varied, aspects. What an awful concept for a comic book....
She would make for a terribly long running series though. Just think of the "big" characters today. They express already existing literary stereoutypes which already both have social familiarity and a long history of use in literature. Batman = Count of Monte Cristo, Superman = Moses/Jesus, Hulk = Doctor Jekyll and Mr Hyde, Iron Man = Achilles.
Wonder Woman has the problem of there NOT being a long history of stereotypes for he to draw on. The same would apply to Athena, once you get over the daddy issues and the fact that she is a bit of a bitch.
Quote from: Viking on July 17, 2014, 11:07:35 AM
She would make for a terribly long running series though. Just think of the "big" characters today. They express already existing literary stereoutypes which already both have social familiarity and a long history of use in literature. Batman = Count of Monte Cristo, Superman = Moses/Jesus, Hulk = Doctor Jekyll and Mr Hyde, Iron Man = Achilles.
Wonder Woman has the problem of there NOT being a long history of stereotypes for he to draw on. The same would apply to Athena, once you get over the daddy issues and the fact that she is a bit of a bitch.
Again, fair point, but I was talking about Freyja, not Athena.
Freyja has a pretty complex history, with lots of stories told about her.
Quote from: merithyn on July 17, 2014, 11:07:03 AM
I've always enjoyed Jean Grey... or did until the end.
Which Huntress are you talking about, Neil? Batman and Catwoman's daughter, or the mafioso's daughter? I liked the Mafioso's daughter, and the Birds of Prey series, but they don't get the playing time as the bigger named superheroes.
At the same time, I think it would be hard to have the Birds of Prey carry off a movie.
Huntress would almost certainly be Helena Bertinelli. Helena Wayne/Kyle is Earth 2. It's only in the New 52 that Helena Wayne comes to Earth 1. But, in a shocking twist, they revived Bertinelli and put her in the new Greyson Comic and this is her
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 17, 2014, 06:04:24 AM
War isn't the first thing I think of when I think of Freyja.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freyja
QuoteIn Norse mythology, Freyja (Old Norse the "Lady") is a goddess associated with love, sexuality, beauty, fertility, gold, seiðr, war, and death. Freyja
Athena would be much more appropriate
I think they're rather similar actually, Athena seems more "war-like" because you're comparing her to other Greek gods and Freya to other Norse gods.
Quote from: merithyn on July 17, 2014, 10:59:21 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 17, 2014, 06:04:24 AM
War isn't the first thing I think of when I think of Freyja.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freyja
QuoteIn Norse mythology, Freyja (Old Norse the "Lady") is a goddess associated with love, sexuality, beauty, fertility, gold, seiðr, war, and death. Freyja
Athena would be much more appropriate
You're right. She's a complex goddess with many, varied, aspects. What an awful concept for a comic book....
There is a book, but it's probably not what you'r looking for. Linkara did a review of #1: http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/20066-athena-1
(In short: it's awful)
FWIW, his review of #2 was a bit kinder: http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43042-athena-2
That Guy with the Glasses is such a guilty pleasure :blush:
Quote from: merithyn on July 17, 2014, 11:07:03 AM
I've always enjoyed Jean Grey... or did until the end.
Which Huntress are you talking about, Neil? Batman and Catwoman's daughter, or the mafioso's daughter? I liked the Mafioso's daughter, and the Birds of Prey series, but they don't get the playing time as the bigger named superheroes.
At the same time, I think it would be hard to have the Birds of Prey carry off a movie.
The mafia princess.
Quote from: Valmy on July 17, 2014, 11:58:59 AM
That Guy with the Glasses is such a guilty pleasure :blush:
I don't follow him anymore since he added his lame "sketches" in between reviews. I still like Brad Jones (Cinema Snob) and Linkara, though, and a bunch of others. Oancitizen needs to post more often.
Quote from: Syt on July 17, 2014, 11:35:40 AM
Quote from: merithyn on July 17, 2014, 10:59:21 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 17, 2014, 06:04:24 AM
War isn't the first thing I think of when I think of Freyja.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freyja
QuoteIn Norse mythology, Freyja (Old Norse the "Lady") is a goddess associated with love, sexuality, beauty, fertility, gold, seiðr, war, and death. Freyja
Athena would be much more appropriate
You're right. She's a complex goddess with many, varied, aspects. What an awful concept for a comic book....
There is a book, but it's probably not what you'r looking for. Linkara did a review of #1: http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/20066-athena-1
(In short: it's awful)
FWIW, his review of #2 was a bit kinder: http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43042-athena-2
I was talking about Freyja, not Athena. :)
Quote from: Syt on July 17, 2014, 02:13:18 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 17, 2014, 11:58:59 AM
That Guy with the Glasses is such a guilty pleasure :blush:
I don't follow him anymore since he added his lame "sketches" in between reviews. I still like Brad Jones (Cinema Snob) and Linkara, though, and a bunch of others. Oancitizen needs to post more often.
I still watch him, but I don't enjoy him nearly as much as before. And Oancitizen isn't the only one who needs to post more. Film Brain has only put up a couple or maybe 3 Bad Movie Beatdowns all year, and one of the IIRC was just a general review of 2013. Some of the others have gotten just as bad about not posting regularly anymore.
I've always wondered what Doug Walker's rakeoff was on those. Probably "a lot."
Lewis Louvhaug's kind of sucked for a while. He's still a decent-to-good presenter, but an atrociously bad sketch comedy performer. It's not even that great when Noah Antweiler and Brad Jones do their little sketches, but at least it's clear there's actual talent as actors and some talent as scenarists there--slightly above community theater level, perhaps, but enjoyable for what it is, and aware that the audience has a thing called "patience" that can be exhausted. Louvhaug needed to stick to pure review, but he did not and the fact he still has a fanbase strikes me as bizarre.
P.S. if it counted, Kickassia would be one of the worst movies I've ever seen.
Quote from: Neil on July 17, 2014, 08:33:40 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on July 17, 2014, 08:25:32 AM
That's fair. Cassandra Cain is just my favorite example of terrible execution in practically everything. ("How do we create the perfect assassin?" "First, we should make it so she's unable to answer questions at border checkpoints or even understand directions on how to get to where her target is.")
I was going to mention the LSH as a team with a lot of pretty top-notch female characters, although obviously that depends on the writer and often the issue.
I also forgot Ghost Rider. Now it's an exhaustive list.
Do people still like Ghost Rider? I was under the impression that he was a creature of the 'bitchin' era of the 90s.
Well, he's settled into the cultural consciousness. No one really likes him. Venom is the go-to 90s joke for me.
Quote from: merithyn on July 17, 2014, 11:07:03 AM
I've always enjoyed Jean Grey... or did until the end.
I'm wondering if you're going off of X3, or Dark Phoenix Saga, or the cartoons, or one of the other half couple of times she died.
The ending of Dark Phoenix is pretty much the best example of positive editorial interference ever in a comic book. Jim Shooter fucking rules. (Or ruled. He's long past his prime. Steel Nation was so rad. Where's my Magnus Robot Fighter movie, bitches? :angry: )
Quote from: Ideologue on July 17, 2014, 06:25:17 PM
Quote from: Neil on July 17, 2014, 08:33:40 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on July 17, 2014, 08:25:32 AM
That's fair. Cassandra Cain is just my favorite example of terrible execution in practically everything. ("How do we create the perfect assassin?" "First, we should make it so she's unable to answer questions at border checkpoints or even understand directions on how to get to where her target is.")
I was going to mention the LSH as a team with a lot of pretty top-notch female characters, although obviously that depends on the writer and often the issue.
I also forgot Ghost Rider. Now it's an exhaustive list.
Do people still like Ghost Rider? I was under the impression that he was a creature of the 'bitchin' era of the 90s.
Well, he's settled into the cultural consciousness. No one really likes him. Venom is the go-to 90s joke for me.
I guess he got two movies. But yeah, you're right to make fun of Venom.
Quote from: Ideologue on July 17, 2014, 06:25:17 PM
Well, he's settled into the cultural consciousness. No one really likes him. Venom is the go-to 90s joke for me.
Anything by Rob Liefeld is mine.
http://www.progressiveboink.com/2012/4/21/2960508/worst-rob-liefeld-drawings
Quote from: Viking on July 17, 2014, 11:11:28 AM
Quote from: merithyn on July 17, 2014, 11:07:03 AM
I've always enjoyed Jean Grey... or did until the end.
Which Huntress are you talking about, Neil? Batman and Catwoman's daughter, or the mafioso's daughter? I liked the Mafioso's daughter, and the Birds of Prey series, but they don't get the playing time as the bigger named superheroes.
At the same time, I think it would be hard to have the Birds of Prey carry off a movie.
Huntress would almost certainly be Helena Bertinelli. Helena Wayne/Kyle is Earth 2. It's only in the New 52 that Helena Wayne comes to Earth 1. But, in a shocking twist, they revived Bertinelli and put her in the new Greyson Comic and this is her
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I really hope there's more Helena Bertinelli episodes in Arrow's third season. She's a very interesting character (and the actress playing her really hot :blush:).
I once read that the extensive list of female superheroes that are just lazy "now with breasts" copycats of male superheroes (she-hulk, supergirl, batgirl, spiderwoman, ms marvel, etc...) was due to companies being afraid of character concepts being stolen by rivals and thus securing their IP position by making another character with a similar powerset and likeness, just female. Is that true?
Quote from: celedhring on July 18, 2014, 02:58:31 AM
I really hope there's more Helena Bertinelli episodes in Arrow's third season. She's a very interesting character (and the actress playing her really hot :blush:).
I once read that the extensive list of female superheroes that are just lazy "now with breasts" copycats of male superheroes (she-hulk, supergirl, batgirl, spiderwoman, ms marvel, etc...) was due to companies being afraid of character concepts being stolen by rivals and thus securing their IP position by making another character with a similar powerset and likeness, just female. Is that true?
Yes, Jessica De Gouw is insanely hott.
Yes, the inspiration to make many of those "with-tits" versions of characters was to protect IP rights. I know that is sprecifically the case for She-Hulk and Spiderwoman. Supergirl was probably not, merely an attempt to give superman a bigger supporting cast and sell comics to girls. Batgirl was created to give Robin somebody to hang out with who wasn't Batman to prove he wasn't gay, so was Batwoman (this the Betty Kane Batgirl, Barbara Gordon was invented by the 60's TV show to give an excuse to show a woman in tight clothing when Eartha Kitt wasn't on in the episode playing Catwoman).
Ms Marvel was also part of a plot to keep IP, but that was related to Captain Marvel. In the case of Captain Marvel the name was owned by DC due to them buying a bankrupt competitor
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but the name lapsed and Marvel comics created a character named Captain Mar-Vell, which they called Captain Marvel
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Which is why the Original Captain Marvel (who was for a period more popular than superman and DC had sued the publisher to stop since he looked too much like superman) when DC revived him had to use the title Shazam for his comics and not mention the Captain Marvel original name.
Marvel's Captain Marvel was pretty boring and was replaced by a "with tits" version of himself Ms Marvel, who became an interesting character and is an interesting character now.
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Comics are WEIRD!
There was actually a stretch of time (from the late 90s through to the 2000s) where there was no Captain Marvel. The guy version died of cancer in a public-service/awareness stunt (and he wasn't super popular anyways), and the women (Ms. Marvel) lost her powers and memories to Rogue from the X-Men. Carol Danvers proceeded to have some adventures with the X-Men in space, and eventually got some powers again, serving on the Avengers under the names Binary (like the star, as her powers were cosmic in origin) and Warbird (because she was still a USAF officer). Then she became a fascist stormtrooper for Tony Stark and became Ms. Marvel again, and now she's just Captain Marvel, since the original has been dead forever now.
There was a character calling herself Captain Marvel in the 80s and 90s who was a black woman with energy powers, but she really didn't have any relation to the mainline Captain Marvel. They had her change her name to Photon later on.
I used to read Ms Marvel's comic in the mid 2000s, back when I still read superhero comics with some regularity; I liked her character, possibly the kind of female superhero merithyn could dig - ridiculous boots nonwithstanding.
There was a script commissioned by Marvel for a Ms Marvel flick, but I haven't read anything more.
It could work, but it would feel weird. Carol Danvers has always been one of those characters whose adventures are deeply intertwined with the Marvel Universe as a whole. Maybe if she were to break out in an Avengers movie, but not before that.
they should make captain britain a pakistani for the reaction
Quote from: LaCroix on July 18, 2014, 06:56:38 PM
they should make captain britain a pakistani for the reaction
I'm sure they would, if there was ever any chance of a Captain Britain movie.
Quote from: Neil on July 18, 2014, 06:42:24 AM
There was actually a stretch of time (from the late 90s through to the 2000s) where there was no Captain Marvel. The guy version died of cancer in a public-service/awareness stunt (and he wasn't super popular anyways)
That seems a little unfair. The Death of Captain Marvel is pretty great; whatever Starlin's motivations, it's definitely a real story.
You need a female superhero? Here's one: http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/7/15/5903209/american-ninja-warrior-gymnast-video-obstacle-course-kacy-catanzaro (http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/7/15/5903209/american-ninja-warrior-gymnast-video-obstacle-course-kacy-catanzaro)
That may be the most amazing athletic performance I have seen.
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Quote from: Neil on July 18, 2014, 06:51:30 PM
It could work, but it would feel weird. Carol Danvers has always been one of those characters whose adventures are deeply intertwined with the Marvel Universe as a whole. Maybe if she were to break out in an Avengers movie, but not before that.
Well, I think Hollywood's seminal fear of making big budget action movies anchored by women (I can only think of Angelina Jolie having succeeded in these roles) will probably be the biggest dampener.
I don't know how could they make the origin story without a male Marvel, either. I think a big part of her pathos is how she receives these powers from him and sets herself to be the kind of hero Mar-Vell was, and ends up replacing him entirely.
Quote from: LaCroix on July 18, 2014, 06:56:38 PM
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The made captain marvel pakistani...
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The made captain marvel pakistani...
Kamala's the new
Ms. Marvel. Ironically, Carol Danvers is the new Captain Marvel, so she's pretty much fulfilled the role she was originally designed for now.
Quote from: grumbler on July 18, 2014, 08:09:21 PM
You need a female superhero? Here's one: http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/7/15/5903209/american-ninja-warrior-gymnast-video-obstacle-course-kacy-catanzaro (http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/7/15/5903209/american-ninja-warrior-gymnast-video-obstacle-course-kacy-catanzaro)
That may be the most amazing athletic performance I have seen.
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I concur.
Quote from: grumbler on July 18, 2014, 08:09:21 PM
That may be the most amazing athletic performance I have seen.
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Towson, Class of '12. Who says the Tigers don't have top notch athletes. :lol: :wubba:
QuoteAt just five feet tall, Catanzaro was an award-winning Division I all-around gymnast for the championship Towson team, which she led to a 20-5 record as a senior and a four-year mark of 75-16. As a senior, she was named the NCAA Southeast Regional Gymnast of the Year and the ECAC Gymnast of the Year. She won the all-around title at the ECAC Championship meet and the ECAC title on the bars, before graduating in 2012.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 20, 2014, 05:30:01 PM
Quote from: grumbler on July 18, 2014, 08:09:21 PM
That may be the most amazing athletic performance I have seen.
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Towson, Class of '12. Who says the Tigers don't have top notch athletes. :lol: :wubba:
QuoteAt just five feet tall, Catanzaro was an award-winning Division I all-around gymnast for the championship Towson team, which she led to a 20-5 record as a senior and a four-year mark of 75-16. As a senior, she was named the NCAA Southeast Regional Gymnast of the Year and the ECAC Gymnast of the Year. She won the all-around title at the ECAC Championship meet and the ECAC title on the bars, before graduating in 2012.
What's more impressive is that she made it out of TSU without becoming white trash.
Quote from: Scipio on July 20, 2014, 08:22:21 PM
What's more impressive is that she made it out of TSU without becoming white trash.
Jersey Guidos always remain Jersey Guidos.
Quote from: grumbler on July 18, 2014, 08:09:21 PM
You need a female superhero? Here's one: http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/7/15/5903209/american-ninja-warrior-gymnast-video-obstacle-course-kacy-catanzaro (http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/7/15/5903209/american-ninja-warrior-gymnast-video-obstacle-course-kacy-catanzaro)
That may be the most amazing athletic performance I have seen.
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Yeah, I saw that. She's amazing.
Quote from: merithyn on July 20, 2014, 10:23:21 PM
Quote from: grumbler on July 18, 2014, 08:09:21 PM
You need a female superhero? Here's one: http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/7/15/5903209/american-ninja-warrior-gymnast-video-obstacle-course-kacy-catanzaro (http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/7/15/5903209/american-ninja-warrior-gymnast-video-obstacle-course-kacy-catanzaro)
That may be the most amazing athletic performance I have seen.
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Yeah, I saw that. She's amazing.
Hot, too.